he reminds me of some posters on this forum lol now he's trying to connect dalsan with ICU lool what's next?

even the Kismayu street cats are cheering for ICU

Originally posted by me: Aahhhhhhhhhhhhh I waited for this moment, HornAfrique and General Duke standing on the same side, having a common enemy. By your powers combined, I am Captain Planet! THE POWER IS YOURS spilled my drink sh1t

^^loool forget the asians somalis there have put them out of business even the last kenyan president dropped the asians and was heavy lobbying in the somali communities for support Nur Japan is protected by the US and Germany by Brittian,France and the rest of the EU Somalia doesn't have that type of protection somalia needs to build at least a 1 million man army so we don't have a repeat of 77 were we defeated the ethiopians and then were stabbed in the back by the soviets if anyone switches on us in the future it doesn't matter we will still beat them

prince2 sxb don't worry about kenya a written document by the Meru community elders (2003) who argued that since Somalis failed in their military campaign to over take the Northern Frontier District, they have now changed their tactics and are focusing on an economic takeover of Kenya (2003). Eastleigh businesses have also brought tremendous competition to the market place,which has had a negative effect on many of the Asian businesses in particular. The Asian community has hitherto controlled most of the retail business in Kenya, yet the owners of these businesses can now be seen purchasing their wholesale merchandise from Somalis.According to Narayan Mehta, owner of a city centre hardware store, Most Asians don’t like to admit it, but the Somalis are really cutting into our businesses. They are willing to live and work in Eastlands areas where most Asians won’t even visit -Narayan Mehta The cornerstone of this development, the famous ‘Garissa Lodge,’ serves today as asymbol of refugee businesses in Eastleigh. Many Somalis resided in this former guesthouse before its transformation into a modern retail shopping mall, officially renamed Little Dubai but popularly referred to as ‘Garissa.’ From small scale ‘black market’trading in hotel rooms, today Garissa houses 58 stalls in which everything from designer clothing to electronics is sold at incredibly cheap prices. Compare the price of, for instance, a ‘real’ Sony radio (be sure, there are many fakes). At Garissa Lodge the goingrate is 350 Ksh. An identical radio sold in the city centre goes for 500 Ksh. In the commercial centre of Westlands, a wealthy suburb, the same radio is sold for 600 Ksh.While this is only one example, the table below shows the price differential of many staple goods and services consumed by the majority of people in a few years time we will take them over economicly in their own house and then we will annex not just NFD but the rest of kenya to Greater Somalia and Ethiopia will follow insha-ALLAH

Originally posted by Castro: quote:Originally posted by Sharif_seylaci: Why would i present any thing to arabs its not like i need justification from them i know that i am more arab then them "More" Arab than Arabs? God save us.

Originally posted by me: To Mr. G.I. joe, claim whatever you like there are no afrocentrics here. hi ms G.I Jane i never claimed there were any afrocentrics ''here'' so what made you say that sis? these were experiences i had that i put in my post you on a different topic Originally posted by me: Djib- I always react without reading the full post, thats why I always post twice. I wanna thank you for the new word CLANOPHOBIA. ok that explains it!! Those claiming that the Somalis are not Arabs are saying that the Somalis are a race of their own. no they don't claim were are a ''race'' of our ''own'' for somalis to be called a ''race'' of their ''own'' they have to have features and genes that distinguishes them from other groups we are a sub group related to the oromo's,afars,beja's therefore were are not a ''race'' of our ''own'' WE ARE SOMALIS. OUR TRIBE IS SOMALI, OUR NATION SOMALI, OUR RACE SOMALI. i agree with the first three but the last is a fallacy We are not Arabs and we are not Bantu. The only thing we share with (majority)Arabs is our religion. true! The prophet was Arab true,but that does not make me Arab, My mom was Somali, my dad was Somali. the Same goes for my Grand parents and great grand parents and everyone told me that we have always been Somalis. If someone needs a DNA test, then so be it. Nothing Non-Somali in me. So the question is are those claiming to be Arabs willing to take a DNA test and a boat ride back towherever they come from, because if they are not Somalis then I would gladly show them their way back to wherever they come from. To sum it up, we are Somalis, we are an ancient race, with a rich history, our enemies do not want us to rediscover our roots and history. We were once a great nation and we will be a great nation once again. why would you deny people their right of choosing whatever they want to claim being descendants of? if they contribute positivly to the somali society and don't manipulate or come with a superiority complex then i have no problems having them as my neighbours

Somaliland is still not recognised by the international community therefore it's still under Somalia's jurisdiction therefore the mayor of baidoa has the right to deploy soldiers there like UN did in the 90's despite fierce opposition from somaliland leaders and the mayor will when he gets the chance so be ready

Originally posted by Sharif_seylaci: who is prince 2 and another thing if we talk about the tribe that live in somaliland now and days it wassen there 800 years ago there where local ethiopians used 2 live there ethiopian ment black during herodotus time you want to tell me somalis are white?? the people living there were called berberi's and not ethiopians so stop getting info from a crackpot i dont have 2 speak arabic to be an arab sudanese arabic speakers are clasified as arabs there isn't a single genetic group called arabs the arabs from palistine and the ones from Iraq all the way to Yemen have different types ancestral lineages the thing that unites them is the language and that is why they are called arabs i speak hebrew am i jew there's no race called ''jews'' is there a race called ''muslims''? or ''christians''?? so to think jews are a race is a fallacy if i practice judaisme i'm qualified to call myself a jew if i swear myself to the orthodox beit knesset of Israel i can call myself an israeli jew i speak spanis am i snanyard i speak dutch doesent mean i am dutch man. your comparing apples with oranges holland is a nation not a race and there genes are homogeneous and the same as the germans,belgiums,austrians and the rest of the germanic tribes arabs as i explained before are not dont need to be closer to prophet muhammed we have the same blood good for you!

stormfront WN crap

^^prince2 somalis have always been in somaliland at least since the time of the romans and those from the yemenite kingdoms traded with us but back to the topic why should i distance myself from my arab brothers?? somali e3b e3b1 M-78 african indigineous east africans Enlongated africans yadda yadda yadda WHO CARES??? it's true we are indiginous east africans and we have the same ancestors as other east africans so what does that mean should i start huggin every african i see and raise my fist and scream black power?? let's get back to reality the arabs are not the ones killing my people in dubai when there building there own business empire there south africa????! :mad: no excuse no excuse those afrocentrics always claim oohhh the arabs call you cabid when i visited places like sana'a in yemen or dubai nobody called me cabid when my cousin who has been living in Saudi arabia since he was 5 married a saudi ethnic muslimah nobody said a thing and he had the blessing of the whole family and there are many cases of somali women marrying saudi men and saudi women marrying somali men where is this racisme there talking about?? yeah there are some rotten apples but egyptians,syrians and palistinians receive the same treatment from those rotten eggs those afrocentrics are talking a lot of bull and they wish they called my people cabid but the business empire of somalis in countries like UAE and Qatar tells a different story when i hear them talk it's clear that there jealous of something the Iraqies are from the same genetic make up as the Iranians but one is called arab the other persian you don't see iranians accusing iraqies of being non arabs but persians or babyloniers if one wants to be closer to prophet Maxamed pbuh then he has the right to do so if one wants to claim he's a marsian then he has the right to do so for a person to call himself arab he has to speak the language well i have come acrossed a lot arabic speaking somalis and if they wish to call themselves arabs then i have no problems with that nobody can tell them what they should be and shouldn't afrocentrics don't own somalis and somalis don't owe them sh1t so F that b.s but claiming arab for political reasons to be superior to other somalis??? someone fill me in when did that happen? joining arab league was a smart thing to do or else ICU and TFG would have probably claimed thousands of innocent lives today

Originally posted by Pierre-Faarax: Most schools & learning institutions do not accept Wikipedia as a reliable source... Btw,if you feel that what they said about Somalia is untrue,you can always edit it [Edit/Adding :Its Achilles heel & Strength] yeah but there 2 million editors on the somalia page you edit 2 million edit it back someone payed them or something :confused:

The European Green Party followed up the revelations by presenting to the press and the European Parliament in Strasbourg copies of contracts signed by the two companies and representatives of the then “President†— Ali Mahdi Mohamed — to accept 10 million tonnes of toxic waste in exchange for $80 million (then about £60 million). this fool probably sealed the fate of thousands of somali kids of the next generations to come he stole their futures man the hell with his third world car he should be hanged :mad:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia there something very sinister about the wiki somalia page i don't know wether it's the candian soldiers or the american black hawk down pictures that Allegdly were put there to give an image of the east african country called ''Somalia'' i don't know how the whole putting a picture thing works but if one the members here who knows has 5 min to spare can you change the 2 pics on the page and replace them with somali pictures real somali pictures like this one same with this pic image

very nice a lot of ordinary somalis will benefit from that brigde

prince2 stop hi-jacking all these somali forums waryaa

Originally posted by General Duke: [QB] ^^^ There we go, we agree then on most points. The need for a national governemnt, to get rid of the occupation of the South. To peace. -to get rid of foreign militia's wether their ethiopians or eritreans - then after a few years install a real transparant government with real patriotic men and women and arrest the current TFG and some members of the ICU and put them on trial -then build up an army of 2 million men and women and retake our land and free our people who are suffering under occupation in somali galbeed - the somalis in NFD are slowly taking over Kenya's economy and we can use that in the future Take for instance a written document by the Meru community elders (2003) who argued that since Somalis failed in their military campaign to overtake the Northern Frontier District, they have now changed their tactics and are focusing on an economic takeover of Kenya (2003). We differ slightly, on the timing and this notion that the courts are the most powerful, but thats your opinion, I respect that. i never said they are the most powerfull you have somaliland with 20 thousand troops and you have puntland but reality is if you compare them with TFG they are vastly superior but Kenya/Uganda/Ethiopia and other puppets of the US base in djibouti combined is impossible but ICU/Somaliland/Puntland/TFG/djibouti combined we could destroy anyone that is why i want the somali republic to be revived that would be the comeback of the century the fact of the matter is all these african countries don't care about us Museveni who's country was saved from a disastrous war with Tanzania in 72' by somalia has the nerve to call somalis the shame of africa it's time we showed all these people that somali blood aint cheap and therefore the TFG needs to stop taking orders from non somalis and grow some balls and work hard together with ICU for a national government or else somalis world wide like in south africa will be targeted for many years to come because we have no government that put pressure on countries like south africa I too do not wish to see a fight for Mogadishu or any where else, we are tired of war. But lets put pretences aside, lets work towards the greater good. all i can say is sxb somalia ha noolaato

the courts in somalia are powerfull when you compare them with all the other players in somalia but dismanteling the thug right now when there FT'S around the block and on somali soil would be a blunder and you know it the main reason why FT's were needed in the first place was because of Mogadishu our capital in june was pacified by ICU so whats the excuse now? why did TFG allow FT's in? just because 2 technicals with a few dozen icu soldiers who came to pick up defecties were 40 miles away from baidoa? please that is lame the ICU never threatened or vowed a holy war on it's brothers in somaliland or puntland or baidoa so where is this so-called threat your talking about? you don't like the courts to pretend there something there not and i don't like it when people act as if the TFG has done great things for the ordinary somali people when they have done nothing this is simply a case of wich of the 2 is the lesser evil the thug is the only member i can think of that i personally truelly dislike in the ICU the terrorist label that was tagged on Xasan dahir doesn't mean anything to me and shaykh shariff in my opinion should be president but TFG there are many i dislike and then you have those who received protections and who only 3 months ago were raping,killing,looting in our capital and they were part of your beloved TFG but despite all of that suffering at the hands of those men you continued to support TFG because you looked at the bigger picture we need a ''government'' well ICU is looking at the bigger picture as well if they dismantle the thug right now there chances will decrease having a government with somalis from all backgrounds is good but having a government consisting of a patchwork full of bloodsuckers eclipses the ''thug'' x3 you say the ICU abuse what Allah swt has given them wasn't TFG the one that stalled the first round of talks? and started this stalemate for last few weeks? it's TFG and Yey who are abusing what Allah swt has given them and the 40 ministers that resigned would agree with me he has the chance to act upon this opportunity as a real statesmen with the best interest of his people at heart you don't need thousands of foreign soldiers to train your fellow country men there are enough qualified somalis with military experience who can fill that cap or else let them train in those foreign countries but no FT's on somali soil not in my name!!

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^^ Ok. Nothing on Earth exists in a vacume. While you are right that the courts have been in power for 3 months in Migadishu, their age is much longer. As you pretend they have not come into existance over night. They have been around since the Arta government and even endorsed that government. the courts never had the type of power they have today so really they have only been in power for 3 months You have not refuted that the basic structure of the courts is based solely on clan. I will go further and say that the courts are based only on one clan and controle only that clans areas. yet their ideology is not based on clan but on building a Islamic state Thus it is absurd to hear them say theu control Somalia. how so? they recognised a weak incompetent gov't who they said they would share power with and allow them to resettle in our Capital isn't TFG the government for all somalis? so are they then not alloud to claim sovereignty over all of somalia? only after the stubid foreign decision of foreign militia's being deployed in our nation did the ICU call for a national forum again calling for all somalis and they continue to avoid bloodshed by giving TFG chance after chance but the mayor of Baidoa is 2 blind to see it and act on it You have said they will do this and that in the future, I am more interested in facts on the ground and actions. please don't make me go through all your old posts and bombard you with all them blank promises you posted about TFG i have more credibilty when i say the ICU will do ''this'' or do ''that'' since they have allready done alot of ''this'' and alot of ''that'' on the other hand we have a gov't that spends more days in a foreign hotel than on actual somali soil for a person who's interested in facts on the ground and direct actions you sure have picked the wrong team to be a chearleader for don't expect much from TFG sxb Xasan Dahir also stated that there is no problem in Lower Shabbbele, and has defended the man you rightly call a thug. Lets go back to the core issue, Lower Shabbele, I put to you that Xasan Dahir is an integral part of the occupation of Lower Shabbele and that he is very close to the white eyed wonder Inda Cade. He with Abdiqasin strenthened the occupation of their sub-clan. priorities of the clan courts You say the clan courts have only been in power 3 months and have opened the port,airport and so on. Also in this same time they have opened up to 10 courts based in their clans and even a court for BURHAKABO to fight the TFG, but not one in Afgoyee to fight Cirfo and Inda acade. Thus they extend their control in Cadaaado and failed attempt in Hobyo, but have not been around long enough to travel less than 50km down south. again nobody can't deny the hideous crimes done by that thug but if the courts disband him now they are history that's a simple fact they need all the manpower they can get thanks to our uncle funny how the great shariff was allready hinting at the return of property and looted stuff but everything went silent when foreign troops came into our soil ca/y indirectly gave inda cadde power in ICU and made the ICU dependant on him since right now they need all the manpower they can get it's like the british and americans who had no choice but to keep their eyes closed when the red army was raping and slaughtering germans civilians simply because they needed the red army to succeed if the ICU wasn't threatened by foreign rape troops then the picture could have a been a lot different right now The TFG imperfect as it is is for all Somali's, the clan courts perfect as they seem to you are only based on the wants of one clan. Their priority is not in tandem with their professed ideology. Islam is simple religion to understand its notion of justice is universal. I put to you once again that the clan courts are the replacers of the warlords. They have taken the position the warlords had in that clan. Thus they can not represent Somalia, much like Puntland and Somaliland can not represent Somalia. I put to you that bringing peace to Mogadishu is a wonderful thing but it does not excuse the continued suffering and marganilisation of a whole clan. I put to you that Xasan Dahir has yet to chastise any of his kinsmen including, Cirfo, Inda Cade, Dhuxulow, Goobanle, Seeraar all powerful warlords, scrapmerchants who's millitias have killed maimed and destroyed countless Somali villages. i agree but you can't expect from ICU to disband someone who they right now need since they are under threat from foreigners and this is a real threat wether you want to admit it or not the warlord mayor of baidoa will never rule with the help of foreigners Yet he condemns a whole government. he condemned foreign troops you support a government that alloud foreign militia's in our soil and not just some foreign militia they are the same militia's that are killing our people in Somali galbeed killing them and then putting their bodies out in the open for days in the sun to scare the locals what happend aren't you a champion of justice? how can you badmouth ICU for collaborating with that thug but at the same time be silent and subconciously in your mind justify the TFG decision of ethiopian militia's in our soil? when has Yey adressed the Somali Galbeed human rights abuse done by his friends? is Somali Galbeed not as important as lower shabelle? or is L shabelle simply one of the cards you use to discredit ICU also you haven't adressed our balanbale brothers and sisters who are being used as human shields for if a clash between ICU troops and ethiopian troops does occure to compare Eritrean troops with with the ethiopians is a joke and then to try to paint Eritrea as a foreign power that wants to dismantle somalia is simply hilarious mixed with wishfull thinking

Originally posted by General Duke: Anyone whith that kind of name has no need to be taken seriously. it's not the name that will make people take a person serious it is the actions and the words from the person that will give the appropriate status to the name prejudice all you want but my name is irrelevant to the topic so please don't loose sleep over it. It has coe to pass that these clan courts are just another name for the warlords of Mogadishu. -warlords never re-opened our airport for commercial flights -warlords never re-opened our seaport for trade -warlords never installed a sanitation team - warlords never protected our sisters from cowardly men who raped 5 year olds - warlords never destroyed pirate strongholds that embarrassed us worldwide nothing but bitterness coming from TFG chearleaders wishing these achievements were done by this foreign government Inda Cade is a thug i agree just like cA/y and one who is integral to the courts. They are defending his occupation and not the poor he has oppressed. So much for the beautiful words of Shiekh Sharif. isn't the TFG currently hosting the very men that embarrassed us in kenya with that fist fight arent they the same men who bruttaly occupied mogadishu for the last 16 years what's your excuse for the protection there receiving from Yey? Ethiopia: is yet another lame excuse Balanbale The occupation forces have slaughtered cows they forcefully took from the villagers and notably they beat and tortured herdswomen in the area,†Link An age old tactic to avoid responsability is to blame someone else, the bogyman of Somalia happenes to be, you guessed it "Ethiopia". are you still denying the presence of foreign troops in somalia? Yey wants to use the ethiopian militia the way he used them in the past but he will loose this time Langauage So rather than being propoganda the term clan courts is an accuarte representation of these courts. Even Xasan Dahir clearly stated that South Galkacyu is a go area, since his clan lived there...Thus the courts are now the true representatives in poiltics of a particular clan. Xasan dahir also said the warlord government could resettle in mogadishu Xasan dahir has also invited somalis from all over somalia for a national forum thus the courts without a doubt in the future insha-allah will include multiple backgrounds of somali society Issue of Minority clans What took place in Mogadishu this summer was that the armed clans decided to get rid of their own famous warlords and give power to their own courts. Thus a smooth change took place most warlords [apart from Inda Cade, Seeraar, Goobanle] went out of the door and in came armed 'Shiekh's. The thinking here is that these courts will better serve the interest of the clan. But what about the vast number of unaremed clans? Why have they not been brought into the courts and armed and giving their rights? What justice is there when the majority of the people of Mogadishu, Banadir and Lower Shabbele do not have their rights as accorded to them in Islam? This is not propoganda but facts on the ground.. you have no right to demand this right now from a organisation that was born on protecting itself from warlords who have only been in power for 2 months give them a year if the situation is still the same you have credit but coming from a person who supports an org that failed to provide the same things your asking right now from the courts to the somalis in mogadishu in it's 2 year mandate is laughable why do the TFG get 2 years with no progress and ICU only 2 months and much progress and are your allready on their case using the indo cadde card is getting lame the amount of warlords in TFG is far larger Christian Eritria Most people here seem to not understand that Ethiopia is run by the Tigray and not the Amhara of yester year. there's no difference between them both were hated by their people and just like the amhara the TPLF will be taken out They also do not understand that in Asmara is a Tigray junta as bruatal as the one in Adis and who share the same value as their brethren, that's a big lie eritrea doesn't want fragmentation of somalia ethiopia on the other hand does both came out of the opposition to Menghestu yet one of them called eritrea doesn't have a track record of meddling in our business and both are Coptic Christian regimes. http://www.christiantoday.com/news/missions/80.christian.high.school.students.arrested.in.eritrea/396.htm http://www.christiantoday.com/news/missions/31.christians.arrested.as.eritrea.continues.religious.crackdown/259.htm So if Asmara does not see Xasan Dahir and his gang as Islamic warriors why should we? [/QB] that's illogical thinking eritrea is only securing its own national interests and those don't conflict with somalia national interests so Xasan Dahir is doing the right thing but ethiopia on the other hand again as you can read from the multiple articles on this forum is on a african campaign and trying to derail our peace efforts and therefore Yey is wrong for collaborating with them

General Duke and his schizophrenic Antics As a guest who's been reading and following the multiple topics on this forum since the sudden shift of power in our Capital i've been suprised with the high level of intellectual debates carried out on SOL regarding our homeland something i can't say of other somali orientated forums so that is a good thing, but one thing that struck me as odd, one character on SOL who's standpoint on somali issue's would confuse even the most veteran somali politics followers from supporting the TFG like a manchester united fan to admitting the TFG were Out thought and outplayed... to the blunders Geedi the prime minister made and continues to make, again it makes you wonder why the General in the last few weeks is back to his old style of topic posting the General's choice of words like ''cry out'' and ''blinks first'' gives you the feeling as if he sees the current events in Somalia as a soccer match totally unaware that people's lives are at stake where did this sudden return to the old general come from? Is it the ethiopian troops on somali soil? something he denied as being true and dismissed it as a ''joke'' well our brothers and sister in balanbale aren't laughing he even has the nerve to compare the Ethiopian militia's who have humiliated our women in Somali Galbeed and raped little boys and continue to suffer with heavy causulties at the hands of somali liberation soldiers to the eritrean troops who have no record of harming our people and assisted our brothers in Somali Galbeed with logistics and training the eritrean government was not the one that went to great lengths to derail our country's efforts of forming a centralized state to say there is no difference between Eritrea and Ethiopia is a big lie and anyone who tries to claim it as such is clearly nothing more than a chearleader of a government that is crumbling and wich eventually will collapse Lower Shabelle freeing lower shabelle from indo cadde is something i support but the fact of the matter is we have been invaded and therefore getting rid of inda cadde is a ''no no'' if the TFG hadn't allowed the foreigners in we could have been a lot closer to achieving lower shabelle's freedom and this is a simple fact that ICU first priority right now is securing more strategic areas in somalia is a result of that incompetent decision Clan Courts or Qabilist propaganda? some have accussed the ICU of hailing from one clan well that makes sense since the majority of our Capital is home to one clan, the Ottomans hailed from one clan if they were dismissed there would have never been a Ottoman empire so i don't see how people other than the Qabilists can use this as an excuse of not supporting it and looking at the latest arrests in Puntland i'm not the only one who feels like this and the ordinary somalis are realising the fact that we have a real chance of forming a government one that's not a puppet of a foreign power it doesn't matter wether the foundation of this movement hails from the great H-clan or the great D-clan or the honourable I-clan or the honourable DR-clan or all the other great clans of somalia we have to lose that mentality supporting just because one hails from your clan is backwards and ICU have allready stated multiple times they are not clan orientated and have called for a national forum calling for all somalis from all walks of life the Islamic troops commanders come from outside mogadishu and the ICU delegations are highly educated men and women consisting also of intellects from the Diaspora and therefore creating a link with the somalis outside somalia this is very important we have to use all our educated somalis in diaspora to balance out this brain drain somalia is suffering from Western Media The western media with it's propaganda tries to paint the ICU as a terrorist Network using the boogey man ''taliban'' claiming foreign arab mujahideen fought with ICU in the Mogadishu battle then showing as evidence a video of somalis under night vision or claiming foreigners are training the ICU troops dismissing the fact that this is a real indigeneous movement and the ones that are training the troops are somalis it's very sad how westernised somalis are getting scared of the thought of somalia becoming a Islamic state the reality is it's not the Islamic state they fear but the response of westerners therefore they jump on the taliban wagon pathetic indeed that muslims today fear non muslims to the point they bad mouth anyone who wants to rule it's nation with Allah swt's book western propaganda aside i can put down right now 10 ground breaking achievements done by the ICU in a time space of 2 months that have benefited the somali people tremendously but i can't think of one thing that TFG has done for the ordinary somali in the last 2 years other then begging for money and visiting 5-star hotels around the world that says volumes it doesn't take rocket science to realise wich of the 2 is delivering direct life benefiting changes to the ordinary somali and therefore as a puntlander and a somali patriot i support them 100% and like my fellow puntlander said Inviting Ethiopia into Somalia – not in my name salaam!