^^^Adeer, dont take my posts as insults to the old man. Its facts. I did not comment nor make up things. If these facts hurt us then how do we move forward?

Again I am flatered when people make the whole thread about Duke. Keep it up. Though we have proven that Siyad Barre was wrightfully vilified and detested. He was a total failure as head of state. Yey is doing his best restoring and putting together what the dictator destroyed. Hence while he ran from Somalia it was Yusuf who came back and is now bringing law and order to Mogadishu.

The most important thing was that the clans aired their concerns and forgave each other. That in itself is the main success of this process. Somali tribes offered general pardon to one another The congress began to discuss on the issue of religious fanaticism MOGADISHU, AUG. 5 - NRC - In today's session, the Somali tribes now attending the national reconciliation congress began to pardon each other forgiving all mischief and misdeeds inflicted among them during the prolonged civil war that ravaged this horn of African country for the last over 16 years. /QUOTE] Beelaha Soomaaliyeed oo maanta cafis guud dhex maray (Doodda xag-jirnimada diimeed oo shirweynuhu bilaabay) Muqdisho 5 Ogost 2007, --NRC- Beelaha Soomaaliyeed ee Shanta ah ee ka qeyb qaadanaya shirweynaha dib u heshiisiinta Qaran ee Beelaha Soomaaliyeed ayaa maanta iska cafiyay wixii dhibaato ahaa ee hore u soo maray iyo dagaaladii dalka ka socday mudadda dheer.

Faarax, you do protest way too much. Adeer this thread is about Siyad Barre a historical figure. Its you who tried to attach the Duke to it and thus you have to answer your own demons. As for Siyad lets summarise. He inherited a united nation and destroyed it. He was the firts to execute political leaders, clan heads and religous leaders. He was the man who went from head of state to the head of the SNF clan militia.

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Shirkii Qaran ee baalaha Somalida uga socday magaalada Muqdishu oo beri la soo gabagobeyn doono Posted to the MOL August 29, 2007, 2:51 pm Sida uu maanta sheegay Guddoomiyaha guddiga shirka dib u heshiisiinta beelaha Soomaaliyeed Md. Cali Mahdi Maxamed ka dib markii uu ka soo laabtay safar gaaban oo uu ku tagay magaalada Nayroobi ayaa isagoo la hadlaya ergada shirka sheegay maalinta berrito la soo xeri doono shirka. Shirka dib u heshiisiinta oo magaalada Muqdishu ka socday illaa 15-kii Luulyo ee sannadkaan ayaa waxaa looga dooday khilaafyadii u dhexeeyay qaar ka mida beelaha Somaliya iyadoo si caam ah beelaha Somalidu isugu cafiyeen dhibaatooyinkii kala gaaray. Shir gudoonka Shirka Cali mahdi ayaa sheegay in hirku burrito xirmayo balse dib u heshiisiinta laga sii wadi doono gobolada dalka. Dhinaca kale Cali mahdi ayaa sheegay inuu ku soo guulaystay safarkiisi Nayroobi oo ujeedadiisu ahayd siduu ugu soo qancin lahaa beesha Caalamka in shirku guulaystay lana soo afjarayo. Isagoo sheegay in dad nabad diid ah ay warar geeyeen Nayroobi taas oo uu ku guulaystay inuu ku soo qanciyo beesha Caalamka in shirkaan loo dhan yahay. Beesha Caalamku waa aqbaleen warbixinteenii, qarashkii shrkana waa ogolaadeen ayuu yiri Cali Mahdi. Qaar ka tirsan ergada ayaa soo jeediyay in shirka waqti lagu daro iyagoo sheegay in wajigii labaad ee shirka oo laga hadli lahaa siyaasada aan wali la guda galin. Arintu si kasta ha ahaatee waxaa jira warar sheegaya in shir kale la qaban doono kaasoo lagu casumi doono odayaasha dhaqamada ee midkaan ka maqnaa. Mudugonline.com

Ciidamada Saldhigga Shibis Oo Toogtay Nin Bambaanooyin Ku Hubeysnaa Halka Ka qabteen Sedex Kale Oo Iyana Doonaya In Ay Weeraraan Saldhigga . Posted to the MOL August 28, 2007, 9:44 am Wararka ka imaanaya magaalada Muqdisho ayaa sheegaya in ciidanka sladhigga degmada Shibis ay gacanta ku dhigeen rag ku hubeysnaa bambaanooyinka oo doonayay in ay weeraraan saldhiga . Warka Waxa uu intaa raacinayaa in mid kalana ay ciidanka meel fog ka toogteen , iyadoo meydakiisa uu in muddo maanta yiilay halkii lagu toogtay sida uu bogga u xaqiijiyay Mr Shaashaa oo ah ku xegeenka madaxa xariirka saxaafada iyo dadweyanaha ee booliska . Mr Shaashaa waxa uu intaa raaciyay in in raggaasi lala qabtay bambaanooyinkii ay wateen isla markaana ay yihiin kuwii hore u soo weeraray sladhigga . Waxaana haatan socda su`aalo la weydiinayo raggaasi oo aan boolisku faahfaahin magacyadooda ,iyadoo raggaasi la qabtay habeenkii xalay . Mana ah markii ugu horeeysay oo gacanta lagu dhigo rag isku dayaya in weeraro ay ka geeystaan saldhigyada magaalada , waxaana tani ay qeybka tahay talaabooyinka ay ciidanka dowlada ku sugayaan amaanka caasimaada . Waxa ayna saraakiisha ay sheegeen in saxaafada loo soo gudbinayo warbixino la xariira raggaasi habeenkii xalay lagu qabtay saldhiga degmada Shibis ee gobolka Banaadir. Waxaa sidoo kale saldhiga afar irdood shalay ciidamada Booliisku ku toogteen nin sidaan oo kale isna rabay inuu qarxiyo saldhiga booliiska. Waxaa isa soo taraya tayada booliiska Somaliyeed oo intooda badan ay hadda u dhamaadeen tababaro marba haddii aysan howl booliis oo la taaban karo wadanka ka jirin 17-kii sano ee u dambeysay. Cismaan Xasan Cali(Fantastic) Mudugonline.com

^^^Farax Brown you are ammusing adeer, a closet clan supporter making comments. Come out and play like Horn or keep quite and let the men debate.

^^^Brother. Let me correct you. 1.Siyad Barre and the Duke are from the same clan. 2.Duke and Siyad's clan are still in Kismayu. 3. Siyad's failure effected the whole clans of Somalia and his and Dukes were cleansed out of their historical lands of Mogadishu. Anyhow why Farax Brown are you against Yey? A.That he was elected in an open election defeating, all of Farax Browns favourite warlords and clan men. B. He started with nothing and yet managed skillfully playing everyone against each other to defeat the looters, clown courts and clan militias that Farax Brown seems to support and associates with, and now is in Mogadishu's villa Somalia. C. That Farax Brown maybe hates Yey because he is from a certain SUB-clan noted for their political success from dawn of Somali politics till now? D.All of the above?

How am I sabotaging it. Its all about Siyad Barre adeer. Not from Duke and Co , but from the Independent, NYTIMES etc,etc. As 1990 drew to a close, angry rebels infiltrated the Somali capital to confront the heavily armed presidential guard (the red berets) drawn to a man from Siad's own Sub-clan clan. Confronted by guerrilla groups and rebellious clans -, Siad found that it was in fact the Somali peoples' God-fearing love of freedom and what has been aptly termed a culture of pastoral democracy, that brought him to the road's end. He dispatched most of his relatives to enjoy their often ill-gotten gains in their villas abroad, himself taking refuge in a bunker close by the capital's airport and the coral coastline of the Indian Ocean; the prelude to his last days in power. 'Mighty Mouth': over 20 years' rule, Siad led Somalia from Socialist experiment to dictatorship Copyright 1995 Newspaper Publishing PLC The Independent January 3, 1995, Tuesday

On the domestic front, cynicism and disillusion reigned. Foreign aid, especially that meant for the overestimated but none the less enormous refugee population, came to be the national staple and humanitarian aid groups, and their protectors, a second government. For the West this was expensive and could not go on for ever. Official meetings with the ageing president, however, developed into tireless monologues and on occasion into degrading diatribes. A diabetic insomniac and a chain smoker, Siad frequently kept his weary ministers and officials up until dawn to no avail. Morale collapsed. Meantime, greedy relatives and hangers-on occupied themselves by securing ever more uneconomic loans, foreign exchange advances and unfulfilled contracts. They poached and destroyed wild fauna on a prodigious scale, not only in Somalia but across her borders in Ethiopia and particularly Kenya. The trade in ivory was so vast and profitable that Siad's own family became deeply involved. Siad himself was not, however, much interested in amassing personal wealth, but he could be vindictive to anyone who opposed any member of his wider family. The majority of the people had never been much impressed by the pomp and circumstance of state occasions. Despite popular toleration of gymnastic displays and spurious cultural shows, the ever popular traditional poets had as often as not paid scant respect for ''Afweyne''. But the machine- gunning of herds of domestic animals and the poisoning of wells was totally alien. Thus Siad's secret policies of divide and rule broke down. At home he simply ran out of clans. and even the heretofore quiet deserted him. Abroad too - China, Libya, South Africa and (regrettably) Italy apart - he ran out of allies. Despite the natural timidity of the Department of State (its human rights desk quite excepted) the Congress was adamant: no human rights: no aid.

Siad decided that the time was ripe to make a deal with the Ethiopian leader, Col Mengistu. Neither could any longer spare troops to face down each other, when there was mounting civil conflict to which they could be transferred. Either side would cease to fuel the other's problems and restrain the ''dissidents'' on their territory. But before Mengistu could suppress the SNM (as he had the SSDF), the Somalis went home. Siad reacted without any restraint: Hargeisa, the nation's second city, and former capital of British Somaliland, and other cities of the north were strafed, rocketed and bombed. In 1988 and 1989 columns of refugees were not spared. The final countdown had begun.

To Siad, the mnemonics of liberation fronts merely hid angry clan groupings. Once so identified, whole areas were devastated. Among the first to suffer were the NORTHEAST. But it was confrontation with the NORTHWEST, the largest clan in the north, which revealed the depths which Siad and his relative-generals were prepared to plumb. The word ''genocide'' came to be used by international human rights observers. Then in May 1986 whilst Siad was being driven through blinding rain by the Mayor of Mogadishu, his car hit a bus and was promptly rammed from the back by a vehicle full of bodyguards. Local people rushed to help, but they were machine-gunned. Siad, in a coma, was saved by the hospital plane of the Saudi monarch, but another factor - a family squabble over succession possibilities - further complicated the political scene.

He inherited a nation that had a parliment, a secure security apparatus and people who were united. In 1958, Somalia's own police force was formed, and by 1 July 1960, when Somalia became independent - uniting with the former British Somaliland Protectorate to form the Somali Republic - Siad had won accelerated promotion to the rank of Brigadier-General of Police. Siad opted for the Somali National Army on its formation in April 1960. He was one of its deputy commanders and was promoted to succeed the Commander-in-Chief when the latter died in 1965. Meantime successive fairly tolerant but complacent civilian regimes made the mistake of ignoring mounting public disquiet, especially over corruption levels. On 15 October 1969, President Abdurashid Ali Shermarke was assassinated. The crime may not have been politically inspired, but the national assembly dithered over his successor and in the early hours of 21 October, Siad led 20 army officers and five police officers in a bloodless coup d'tat. Significant political figures were detained, the constitution suspended, the national assembly closed, political parties banned and the Supreme Court abolished. The country was renamed the Somali Democratic Republic and on 1 November the conspirators constituted themselves the Supreme Revolutionary Council (SRC).

For a time after his flight, Siad was accommodated in some style at the expense of the Kenyan government, but popular indignation and a press campaign led the Kenyan president, Daniel arap Moi, to refer the problem to the President of Nigeria, Maj-Gen Ibrahim Babangida, then also chairman of the Organisation of African Unity. Siad's entire party was evacuated by plane to Lagos, although some were refused refugee status and returned. Although treated well by the Nigerian authorities, the fallen dictator was paid scant respect by the average Nigerian, and his home was robbed more than once. Unable to the end to accept responsibility for the famine and anarchy which has accompanied thesuccession struggle in Somalia, Siad died a frustrated and embittered man. The famine and the anarchy was who's fault? Maybe it was the SSDF,SNM who occupied Baidoa

Mohamed Siad Barre, policeman, soldier, politician: born Shiilaabo, ******, Abyssinian Somaliland c1910; Head of State, Somalia 1969-91; Secretary-General, Somali Revolutionary Socialist Party (SRP) 1976-91; married Khadija Maalin and Dalyad Haji Hashi; died Lagos 2 January 1995. On the evening of 26 January 1991 Mohamed Siad Barre was forced by opponents of his regime to flee Mogadishu, the capital of Somalia, for his clan homelands. He did not give up his ambition of recapturing the city for many months, but, confronted by a vengeful Somali militia , and alarmed by disagreements between his own family and supporters, Siad eventually fled to Kenya. It was the end of his 22-year rule in Somalia, which had started as Socialist experimentation and degenerated into dictatorship.

^^^lool. To be fair to him he insulted every clan and highlighted many of our own falacies. Its good to see him taking a holiday some where other than Hawayi.

^^^Adeer the courts were a clan entity which used clan militias to occupy, looot, kill and empower the clan. As any average person would tell you there is no place for such actions under Shariah law. Islam is a pure faith, and its laws should be applied to every Muslim nation.

Shirka dib u heshiisiinta beelaha Soomaaliyeed oo berri la soo xirayo Guddoomiyaha shirka dib u heshiisiinta Soomaaliya, Md Cali Mahdi Maxamed ayaa maanta ku dhowaaqay in shirka la soo afmeeri doono maalinta Khamiista ee berrito, sidaansa ay isku af gareen beesha caalamka. Cali Mahdi Maxamed ayaa sheegay in ergadii ka qayb geleysey shirkan oo ka kala timid gobollada dalka ay ku laaban doonaan deegaannadoodii iyaga oo faraxsan, Inkasta oo aan la shaagin natiijo ka soo baxday shirka. Dhinaca kale, guddoomiyaha gobolka Banaadi ahna duqa degmada Muqdisho, Maxamed Cumar Xabeeb (Maxamed Dheere), ayaa sheegay in la diiwaan gelin doono dhammaan gaadiidka dadweynaha gaar ahaan gaadiidka isaga kala goosha degmooyinka gobolka banaadir ee rakaabka ah. Xasan Mutawakil

Shirweynaha dib u heshiisiinta oo Berito la soo gabagabeynayo Muqdisho 29 Ogost, 07. -- NRC -- Shirweyanaha dib u heshiisiinta Qaran ee Beelaha Soomaaliyeed ee bilowday 15-kii July ayaa lagu wadaa in maalinta Beri oo ku began 30-ka Bisha August la soo gabagabeeyo. Guddoomiyaha shirweynaha dib u heshiisiinta Md. Cali Mahdi Maxamed oo manta madasha shirka kula hadlaayey ergooyinka shirweynaha ayaa shaaca ka qaaday inuu shirka soo gaaray heerkiisii gabogabada, wuxuuna intaas ku daray in maalinta Beri ah la soo gunaanadayo shirweynaha dib u heshiisiinta, hase yeeshee ay socon doonto Dib u heshiisiinta sida uu yiri. Cali Mahdi Maxamed wuxuu hoosta ka xariiqay in dadka Soomaaliyeed ee dibadda ka mucaaradaya Shirweynaha ay dhinacooda haddii ay yihiin guddiga dib u heshiisiinta ay geed dheer iyo mid gaaban ay u kori doonaan sidii ay nabada uu shirweynahani qaatay ay ugu soo biirin lahaayeen, wuxuuna xusay in shirweynaha lagu guuleystay qabsoomidiisa iyo weliba go’aanadii ka soo baxay. Mar uu Cali Mahdi ka hadlaayay kaalintii ay Ergooyinka ka qaateen Shirweynaha waxaa uu xusay in uu ku amaanayo sidii ay shirweynaha uga miro dhaliyeen, wuxuuna carrabka ku dhuftey in xubno ka mida ergooyinku ay howlaha dib u heshiisiinta ka sii wadi doonaan Gobolladda iyo degmooyinka dalka isagoo ku bogaadiyey ergooyinka dulqaadkii ay muujiyeen mudadii ay shirka u fadhiyeen. Cali Mahdi Maxamed oo ka waramayey dhinaca dhaqaalaha shirka waxaa uu caddeeyey in deeq bixiyeyaasha caalamka ee shirweynahani maalgelinaya ay ogolaadeen inay wada bixiyaan dhamaanba dhaqaalaha shirka, wuxuuna ku nuuxnuuxsadey in kulamadii uu Dorraad kula soo yeeshey magaaladda Nairobi ay ku soo dhammaadeen guul, isla markaana muddo gaaban gudahood ay dhaqaalaha maqan ku soo gaari doonaan ergooyinka shirka. Khudbada Guddoomiyaha Shirweynaha kadib wuxuu Shirweynuhu u guda galay ka doodida sidii ay ergooyinka u dhaqan gelin lahaayeen qoddobada Shirweynaha ka soo baxay iyo heshiisyada lagu gaaray, loona gaarsiin lahaa heer tuulo, degmo iyo Gobol. Maalinta Beri ah ayaa si rasmi ah shirka dib u heshiisiinta loo soo xiri doonaa iyadoo madaxda ugu sareysa dowladda la filayo inay ka soo qeybgalaan xafladda xiritaanka shirka.

Wa Alaikumu Salaam brother. Anyhow one found your comment quite ammusing as is the case usually.

^^^Amin, but you see you can not fool the lord saxib. Mortal men yes, but Allah SWT knows all that takes place.

^^^Adeer who is a gainst Shariah? In Somalia those who are against it are the same ones who occupied other Muslim's farms, houses and so on.

Muqdisho: G/Dhexe C/llaahi Bariise: “Howlgalada ciidamadu wey socon doonaan ilaa Boolisku uu ka qaato budkii uu caanka ku ahaa” 29. August 2007 Muqdisho(AllPuntland)- Dowladda Federaalka KMG ah ee Soomaaliya ayaa maanta shaaca ka qaatay iney socon doonaan howlgalada ciidamada ilaa laga sugayo amaanka oo ay meelo xasiloon ka noqonayaan goobaha ay iminka ka jiraan rabshadaha. Madaxa howlgalada ciidamada Booliska Gobolka Banaadir G/Dhexe Cabdullaahi Xasan Bariise ayaa sheegay in ay waajibaad ka saaran yahay Booliska sidii loo sugi lahaa amniga isla markaana loo heli lahaa nabadgelyo taasoo ay ku imaan karto marka shacbigu ay gacan ku siiyaan Booliska lana soo socod siiyaan meelaha ay ku gambanayaan kooxaha fidna wadayaasha. “Howlgalada ciidamada Boolisku wey soconayaan ilaa Boolisku ka qaato bud iyo firimbigii uu caanka ku ahaa, waayo Boolisku waa kii u adeegayey shacbiga, waana kuwo Soomaaliyeed, waxaan ugu baaqayaa shacbiga ku dhaqan deegaanada Huriwaa, SOS iyo Suuqa Xoolaha oo maalmahan ay ka jireen rabshadaha iney gacan ka geystaan howlaha nabad soo celinta, Booliskuna duulaan kuma aha shacbiga ee waa kuwo u socda sidii ay dadku ku heli lahaayeen nabadgelyo iyo hurdo” ayuu yiri Gdhexe Cabdullaahi Xasan Bariie. Madaxa hoggaanka howlgalada wuxuu kaloo intaa raaciyay in uu waajib ka saaran yahay dalka iyo dadka wixii dhibayana ay ka difaacayaan isla markaana ay ku fidi doonaan goob alla goobtii ay ka jirto xasilooni daro ayna ka sameysan doonaan saldhigyo ciidan. Cali Muxiyaddiin Cali AllPuntland, Muqdisho