Ololaha Madaxwaynanimadda ee C/laahi Yuusuf Xaggeey Marayaan,? C/laahi Yuusuf Axmed oo isagu ka mida Musharixiiintii ugu horaysay ee ku dhawaaqda Musharaxnimadooda ayaa haatan ku sugan Dalka Imaaraadka oo uu jooga inuu ka hello Dhaqaalihii uu ku gali lahaa Tartanka Doorashadda Madaxwaynanimadda. Waxaana uu Shirkadaha ka kalluumaysta Xeebaha Waqooyi Barri waydiistay inay siiyaan Dhaqaale u fududeeyo inuu ku soo baxo Jagaddaasi. Iyadoo Shirkadahaasna Illo ku dhow dhow ay xaqiijiyeen inay u ballanqaadeen C/laahi Yuusuf inay ka bixinayaan Dhaqaalaha uu ku galayo Tartanka Doorashadda. Waa Nin Caynkee ah C/laahi,? C/laahi Yuusuf waa Kornayl Ruug Caddaa ah oo ka tirsanaan jiray Ciidanka Xoogga Dalka Soomaaliyeed. Laakiin ka baxsaday markii ay is khilaafeen Gen Maxamed Siyaad Barre. Waxaana C/laahi Yuusuf uu muddo dheer u halgamayay in mar uun uu noqdo Madaxwayne Xoog iyo Xeelad midduu doono ha ku halee. C/laahi Yuusuf Waa Hogaamiye aan la cabsan, lana Xishoon Mawqifkiisa. Waa Nin aamisan in Dalkan Xoog iyo Dhiig Daata lagu hoggaamin karo. Waxa uu marar badan ku cel celiyay in haddii la doorto uu Dalka si deg deg ah u nidaamin lahaa. Isla markaana ciddii Xukunkiisa ka hortimaada waxa uu ku goodiyaa inuu Badda ku darayo. Ma ahan Nin Diimeed, waxa uu aad u neceb yahay Kooxaha Diinta. Waxaana uu marar badan sheegay in Somalia ay Xarun u tahay Kooxaha Argagixisadda. Waxaase uu C/laahi ku fashilmay Deegaanka Shimbiraale oo uu sheegay inay Xarun u tahay Al-Qaacidda. Laakiin taasi waxay beenoowday markii ay tageen Deegaankaasi Suxufiyiin ka kala socota Warbaahinta Gudaha iyo Caalamka. C/laahi Yuusuf waxaa lagu sifeeyaa inuusan ahayn Nin Xilka uu hayo aan ku urursan Hanti. Waana Nin uun Jecel inuu wax Hoggaamiye. Laakiin aan dhaqaale doon ahayn. Waana Nin wax kasta u hurra inuu gaaro Yoolka uu leeyahay ee ah inuu Madaxwayne Noqdo. C/laahi Yuusuf waxay dad badan aaminsan yihiin inuu yahay Hogaamiye Mudan xilligan adag inuu hogaamiyo Soomaaliya oo ay Dadkeedu hilmaameen Nidaam iyo Kala dambayn. Waxaana Dadkan ay ku tilmaamayaan C/laahi Yuusuf inuu yahay Nin Ad Adag oo Dalkan hogaamin kara. C/laahi Yuusuf waa Nin ku fiican Fulinta Ballamaha uu Dadka la gallo. Waa Nin ku wanaagsan Wada Shaqaynta iyo Saaxiibtinimadda. Laakiin dadka la soo shaqeeyay waxay ku dhaliilaan inuu yahay Nin Qabyaaladiiste ah oo marka aad is qabataan Qof ay Qaraabo yihiin kaaga hiilinaya. Waxayna ku Macneeyeen Qabyaaladiisu inay gaartay Heerka ugu hooseeya. Isagoo xittaa Jufo Jufo u kala Saara Beesha uu ka dhashay ee Cumar Maxamuud. C/laahi Yuusuf waxa uu illaa iyo Bilawgii Shirka Kenya ahaa Ninka Majaraha u hayay Jihaynta Shirka. Wuxuuna illaa xilligaasi ku adkaysanayay inuu yahay Musharax Madaxwaynanimo. Laakiin Marxaladii ugu dambaysay ee Shirka ayeey Siyaasaddu si deg deg ah isku badashay. Kadib markii Kornaylku uu ka diday Olalaha C/qaasim Salaad oo isna markii dambe Marxladdu badashay. Illaa iyo Mudadaas C/laahi waxa uu isku aqoonsanaa Madaxwaynaha Somalia ee Mustaqbalka. Iyadoo Haddii uu Jagadaas Waayana aan la ogayn sida uu ku dambayn doono Xaalka C/laahi Yuusuf oo ah Hogaamiye Da’a ah, Caafimaadkiisuna uu liito. ................................................................ Waxaa Soo Ururiyay Qoraaga Soomaaliyeed C/casiis Maxamuud Guuleed “Afrika†Wixii Talo iyo Tusaale ahna ugu soo hagaajiya Ciwaankiisa abdiazizafrica@hotmail.com

Taking into consideration that the speaker of Parliment will be chosen on 15 of September 2004. And that the President will be selected on the 22 of September. In this thread we will look at all candidates. Faallo ku saabsan Musharixiinta Madaxwaynanimadda somalia Musharixiinta Madaxwaynanimadda Somalia oo laban laabay Ololahooda ay ku doonayaan in loogu doorto Jagadda Madaxwaynanimadda Somalia. Maxaad ka taqaanaa Shaqsiyaadka ugu caansan Musharixiinta Madaxwaynanimadda Somalia,? Musharixiinta Madaxwaynanimadda Somalia ayaa loolan adag ugu jira inay ku soo baxaan Jagadda Madaxwaynanimadda Somalia. kadib markii la dhamaystiray Xubnaha Baarlamaanka Federaalka Somalia. C/qaasim Salaad Xasan oo ka mida Musharixiintaasi ayaa kulamo kala duwan la leh Siyaasiyiinta ka qayb galaysa Shirka Kenya iyo Xildhibaanadda Baarlamaanka Federaalka. Wuxuuna kala xaajoonayaa inay ku taageeraan Musharaxnimadiisa Madaxwaynanimadda Somalia. C/qaasim Salaad Xasan waxa uu magacaabay Guddi u ololeeya Doorashadiisa oo uu Madax u yahay Maxamed Cabdi Yuusuf oo ka mida Xildhibaanadda Baarlamaanka Federaalka Somalia. Waxaana Guddigaasi Xubno ka ah Xasan Dhimbil Warsame, C/kariin Axmed Cali, Prof C/raxmaan Ibbi, Yuusuf Dheeg, iyo Siyaasiyiin kale oo Muhiim ah. Iyadoo Xubnahana oo ka wada tirsan Baarlamaanka Federaalka Somalia ay billaabeen inay Xildhibaanadda kale u sameeyaan Ballanqaadyo haddii ay Codkooda ku taageeraan C/qaasim Salaad Xasan. Maxaad ka taqaanaa C/qaasim Salaad,? C/qaasim Salaad Xasan oo haatan haya Jagadda Madaxwaynanimadda Somalia kadib markii lagu doortay Tuuladda Carta ee Dalka Jabuuti waa Hogaamiye Cod Kar ah oo Afkiisa ku qancin kara Shacabka Soomaaliyeed ee ku kala nool Raas Casayr min Raas Kambooni. Laakiin waa Nin aan lahayn Tallaabooyin wax qabad oo lagu xanto inuu yahay Hogaamiye Fadhiid ah. C/qaasim Waa Hogaamiye Nabadda Jecel oo aan marna ku fakarin in Maamul uu Madax ka yahay uu Dagaal gallo. Wuxuuna xittaa ugu yaraan ka illaaliyay Dawladiisu inay Burcadda la dagaalanto. C/qaasim waxa uu xiriir wanaagsan la leeyahay Dunidda Carabta. Laakiin C/qaasim iskuma fiicna Reer Galbeedka iyo Itoobiya oo la aaminsan yahay inay Aas aas u yihiin Mushkiladda Somalia. Waxaana ay Dalalkaasi u yaqaanaan Hogaamiye Diimeed Xiriir la leh Kooxaha Mayalka Adag. C/qaasim Waa Siyaasi Ruug Caddaa ah oo ku soo barbaaray Nidaamkii Kaligii Talisnimadda ee Gen Maxamed Siyaad Barre, mana jecla inuu qaato Tallooyinka Saaxiibadiis iyo Ragga la shaqeeya. Wuxuuna jecel yahay mar kasta in lagu shaqeeyo Mawqifkiisa. Laakiin ciddii ka hortimaada waa Nin aan gadaal u jaleecin Miisaankeeda Beeleed iyo Siyaasadeed ee si Deg Deg ah ayuu Xilka uga tuuraa. Tusaale ahaan Cali Khaliif Galayr oo si wayn u dhisay Xiriirkii ay TNG-du la lahayd Caalamka markii ay is qabteen C/qaasim waxa uu ku amray Baarlamaanka inay Xilka ka qaadaan isagoo waliba xilligaasi Shir Caalami ah uga qayb galayay Maraykanka. Wuxuuna Jagaddiisii u magacaabay Xasan Abshir Faarax oo markii dambe ay isna isku jiireen Arrimaha Shirka. C/qaasim Salaad Xasan waa Nin aysan Beeshiisu jeclayn, sababta arrintaasna waxa lagu macneeyay inuusan ahayn Nin Qabiil. Waxaana uu wattaa Astaan ka mida Astaamaha lagu garto Hogaamiye Daacad ah. Ma ahan sidoo kale Hogaamiye Guddoon Jilicsan taasna waxay labaynaysaa Astaamaha lagu yaqaan Hogaamiye. Laakiin waa Nin Gacan Adag. Sidaasna waxa uu ku waayay Deeqsinimaddii laga rabay Hogaamiye. Inkastoo la xaqiijiyay inuusan ahayn C/qaasim Madaxda Dhaqaalaha Dalka ku takri fasha .......................................................... Waxaa Soo Ururiyay Qoraaga Soomaaliyeed C/casiis Maxamuud Guuleed “Afrika†Wixii Talo iyo Tusaale ahna ugu soo hagaajiya Ciwaankiisa abdiazizafrica@hotmail.com

SOMALIA: New parliament elects temporary chairman [ This report does not necessarily reflect the views of the United Nations] © IRIN NAIROBI, 2 Sep 2004 (IRIN) - Somalia's newly constituted transitional parliament held its first meeting in the Kenyan capital, Nairobi, on Thursday during which members elected Hersi Bulhan Farah, 83, to serve as temporary chairman pending the election of a speaker. "It is a new dawn for the Somali people," Marian Muhammad Mursal, one of the members attending Thursday's session, told IRIN. "As a woman, however, I am disappointed that 34 seats allocated to women have not all been filled. I am appealing to our male colleagues to complete the women's quota," she added. Five new members were sworn in during the first sitting, meaning that only 12 MPs in the 275-seat parliament are yet to take their oath of office. Some 25 women MPs are among those selected by the various clans so far. "Today is a historic day for all of us and will mark a new beginning for Somalia," another MP, Awad Ahmed Ashara, told IRIN. Ashara said international support was needed "to enable us fulfil our objectives and bring about total reconciliation and stability in our country." The MPs were chosen by elders and political leaders from their respective clans who had been attending the reconciliation conference in Nairobi sponsored by the regional Intergovernmental Authority on Development (IGAD). The creation of the transitional federal parliament paved the way for the formation of an all-inclusive government in Somalia, the Horn of Africa country which has remained without an effective government since 1991, when the regime of Muhammad Siyad Barre was toppled. Each of Somalia's four major clans was allocated 61 seats in the parliament, while an alliance of minority clans was awarded 31. A speaker and two deputy speakers to be elected from among the MPs will preside over the election of the president, who will in turn appoint a prime minister to form a government. [ENDS] http://www.dayniile.com/Septenbar/2Septenbar9.htm

New Somali parliament convenes - Thursday, September 02, 2004 at 17:00 NAIROBI, Kenya (Reuters) -- Somalia's new parliament held its inaugural meeting on Thursday, but quickly adjourned to give its members more time to organize the business of returning government to the only nation without one. In the laborious, piecemeal manner that has characterized Somalia's 20-month peace process, the parliament, sitting in the capital of neighboring Kenya, called a one-day recess after naming its eldest member as temporary chairman. The decision to give 83-year-old Hirsi Bulhan Farah the chair was a formality, stipulated by the charter guiding the rebuilding of the Horn of Africa nation under the watch of African and international mediators. It is Somalia's 14th attempt at establishing a national government since 1991, when warlords toppled dictator Mohammed Siad Barre and carved the country into clan-based fiefdoms. Lack of security at home has forced parliament to meet in Nairobi. Underscoring the simmering tensions in the nascent assembly, a shoving match broke out on the assembly floor over the number of women in the parliament. The scuffle ended after two women spoke out and others urged parliamentarians to calm down. Farah called a brief recess that was soon extended until Friday, after many members found they were without some critical legislative tools. "I had hoped they would set a date for elections today, but they require more time because some members have forgotten their charters and rules of procedure," said Bethuel Kiplagat, a top Kenyan mediator in the peace talks. The crucial job for the parliament is to name a permanent speaker, and then the president who will establish a new Somali administration in the capital of Mogadishu with an eye to holding elections in five years. First, the parliament must set up a committee to create an electoral commission to oversee the votes, a decision likely to cause friction. All but two or three of the 275 members of the assembly were present on Thursday, although several still had not taken their oaths of office. Five did so on Thursday, leaving a dozen to go. International mediators, in an effort to pressure bickering clans who had repeatedly delayed the peace talks, had already sworn in 258 parliamentarians in two earlier meetings. Since the breakdown of central government, conflict and famine have killed hundreds of thousands of people and the country has become a byword for anarchy. The United States, which floundered there on a peacekeeping mission a decade ago, considers the lawless state as a safe haven for Islamic militants.

Declaration by the Presidency on behalf of the European Union on Somalia National Reconciliation Conference Posted to the web 01-09-2004 The European Union welcomes the outcome of the meeting in Gigiri, Kenya, on 29 August 2004, which announced the conclusion of the process of appointing members of a transitional federal parliament. The European Union commends the efforts of Somali leaders in achieving this significant outcome and calls upon them to ensure that the same spirit of positive co-operation prevails during the remainder of the reconciliation process. It welcomes in particular the cohesiveness shown by IGAD member states and their resolve to adopt a common approach based on political consensus. The European Union reassures all parties involved in the process of its continued commitment and reiterates its support for the challenges confronting Somalia the coming months. The European Union appeals to all parties to continue their engagement with the aim of establishing: - An inclusive government committed to furthering stability and to constructive dialogue with all Somalis, including with existing areas of tranquillity; - A government whose members are committed to an effective cease-fire and to the creation of a stable national environment, including the eradication of any possible terrorist activity; - A government which works for humanitarian access across Somalia and for the protection of civilians; - A government that works with commitment towards a federal Somalia: by establishing a federal commission as stated in the Transitional Federal Charter; - A government which co-operates with the international community on the basis of an agreement and a joint co-ordination and monitoring mechanism to be finalised in Nairobi. The European Union stands ready to continue to assist the Somalia National Reconciliation Conference and urges it to continue in its efforts to reach an early and positive conclusion. The Candidate Countries Bulgaria, Romania, Turkey and Croatia*, the Countries of the Stabilisation and Association Process and potential candidates, the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia and Serbia and Montenegro, and the EFTA countries Iceland,Liechtenstein and Norway, members of the European Economic Area, align themselves with this declaration. * Croatia continues to be part of the Stabilisation and Association Process.

Somaliland is not a country, its a phantom state. It issues no real passports. It has no real army. they are still marching to LAS ANO all 30,000 of them. It has no ambasadors or embasies. Its is not recognised by any one not even Djabouti. It does not even control the regions it claims, SOOL, HAYLAN, CAYN. It has loud mouth ministers and deluded clanistic supporters. for 14 years they have been saying "Look how bad the south is", "We are better than them" and now that Somalia is getting a government they cry "we wont let it happen" " we will fight them" blah, blah, blah. WAKE UP SMELL THE COFFEE PEOPLE. Another thing if Somalia is divisable, then SOOL, HAYLAN, CAYN will never be part of the so called Somaliland. peace

For once we can rightly be optimistic, for once we can hope, for our wonderful country and for our beloved people. Long live the new Somali republic and may the lord help us all.

More new Somali lawmakers sworn in 29 Aug 2004 16:30:23 GMT Source: Reuters NAIROBI, Aug 29 (Reuters) - International mediators swore in more members of Somalia's new parliament on Sunday, edging closer to the establishment of a central authority in the world's only country without a national government. Sixty-four delegates were appointed at U.N. headquarters in neighbouring Kenya, meaning 258 members of the 275-member assembly are now in place, officials said. More than two-thirds of the new parliament were appointed last week. "The seating of this parliament has been a huge undertaking," Winston Tubman, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan's special envoy for Somalia, told the gathering. The peace process has been hosted by Kenya because of ongoing insecurity in the Horn of Africa country, which has lacked any effective central government since 1991 when warlords toppled military dictator Mohammed Siad Barre and carved the country into clan-based fiefdoms. The mandate of a week Arab-backed transitional authority expired in 2003. "All the major armed factions are here, and what is more important is that all neighbouring states are here," Tubman said. "In previous times, some factions were not there, and the disgruntled parties went on to form alliances with neighbouring states to disrupt the peace process. Not this time." More than 20 months of peace talks have frequently been delayed by bitter rivalries between Somalia's numerous clans, and by interference from neighbouring states keen to stamp their own brand on the new administration. When the new parliament is fully established it will elect a president to head a new administration in Mogadishu, but observers say that is unlikely to be the end of Somalia's woes. It is still unclear when the assembly will be established. Officials say the reason mediators have pushed ahead with two partial inaugurations of the new assembly is to put pressure on clans who had yet to submit their lists of delegates. They said the remaining 17 members would be sworn in soon. "Some of them are not in the country and some of them are sick," one official close to the talks told Reuters. "It is mostly logistical problems, but they are all on board."

Bokero, you know my true intentions do you now? As for the electricity part look how many replies this poem generated. Like I said it seems people are getting way too bothered about the opinions of one man and then try to take their anger on the messinger. As if I care, many egoes got trambled on.

Ayoub, I read all his poems and I find them weird, clanish and electric. Do i agree with him in his generalisation of whole clans no. Do i think he has talent? maybe or maybe not all i did was post his weird poems. Now did I like the last poem in comparison to the others, well?

Horn, the post made no sense mate, when did Puntland declare war on Gedo? and if there was an alliance between Ethiopia and Puntland why the low number of fighters? 400 give me a break. Look Morgan is a player in Juba like Barre Hirale and untill the people of the areas get their act together they will be hostage to these players. Puntland does not hate Gedo nor do the twins from Galgadud hate Puntland its all about power and money and idiotic rivelry. Horn chill son #, dont get all hot and bothered over Somali news.

Ayoub, I thought better of you man, the poem is electric and clanish is a good description, it must have given you a charge since you try to attack me and my ego, all i did was forward a poem by a Somali poet. Horn you still going crazy bro, chill son its only a poem.

Horn bro, you gotta give it to the man that was some funny, controversial but very humorous. The man did not come from the Salmon or the Pilot fish nor was he from the Creyfish or the Sharks.

CLANNISH FUNNY FISHIOLOGY (Togane jamming with Iyanla Vanzant) http://www.mudugonline.com/2004/july/CLANNISH_FUNNY_FISHIOLOGY.htm

Horn, again you personalise the issue, there are a number of individuals running for the post of President, between them who is the right choice to lead Somalia from its present debacle? Out of all the 50 + candidates sources in Nairobi state that there are three front runners, Abdullahi Adow, Abdiqasin and Abdullahi Yusuf. Now out of these three I would go for Abdullahi Yusuf because the other two where Afweyne's men, and the fact is Abdiqasin was given the chance three years ago and he failed, Adow might be better than the Arta boss but he has no real support on the ground and no experience in security. The choice dear boy is not between Abdullahi Yusuf and an ideal fictitious Young Somali leaders. Its between the individuals in Nairobi who have declared themselves and who for what ever reason have a real chance of winning.

People, again you present no facts beyound, he is a mass murderes, a criminal because it seems thats what you want to belive. Horn, bro the man is a war hero, President Adan Ade gave decorated him for bravery in the 1964 Somali Ethiopian border war. And in the ****** he was one of the Somali officers who ripped Ethiopia apart. but hey horn all you seem to be interested is in personalising the details by name calling and sly comments. Bro he was a war hero and Afweyne was a traitor who used to work for the Italians, now go and ask your dad and mum, they will whisper it to you. LOL

ferocious, you cant be serious, prove his innocence on what? Innocent untill proven guilty not the other way round mate, Somali logic. The rest, what facts are you presenting, the Garowe business genocide LOL, dont make me laugh. All the accusations you make comes down to this, "Abdullahi's body guard might have killed Suldan Hurre" this makes Abdullahi a cold blooded killer, a mass murder, a criminal, a dictator, who commits loads of mass murders such as the famous Garowe businessmen incident thats gone down in history. You should come out stright,something like we dont like Abdullahi Yusuf because he belongs to that CLAN, because he is from PUNTLAND, because if he becomes president my father will be heart broken. Facts, Abdullahi did not destroy Xamar, he was not one of the scarp merchants of Mogadishu, he does not occupy, Barava, Merca, Kismayu or turns the fertile grounds to desert. He did not take part in any way in destroying Hargaysa or Burco or stepped in the way of releif to the poor people of Badoa. Abdullahi did not kill innocent school children in Jasera beach, nor stole millions of dollars from the Somali state. Right now he is the best candidate because all the others took part in these crimes agai9nst Somalia................ Peace and please present facts, not clan based fiction adios.

People you can do better than that, you sound rather baffled, what mass murder? How many mass murders did Abdullahi take part in, facts and dates please. Since we are on facts, do you rebute that Abdullahi is a decorated war hero, who fought bravely against Ethiopia in both 1964 and 1978? Also on mass murder, he was not in Somali between 1986-1991 when most of the mass murders in our history took place, Mogadishu, Kismayu, Hargaysa, Badoa all these places where real Mass killings took place Abdullahi was not there. Unlike Abdullahi Adow or Abdiqasin who where officials of Barre when real mass murder and crimes against humanity were being commited he was not an important official of Barre. Again no other candidate has the experience, the political clout or the determination of Abdullahi. In an ideal world we would have a Saint as President and an Angel as prime minister but Somalia is not even normal let alone ideal. tough times calls for tough individuals and Abdullahi is THAT individual.

Question is not Abdullahi or A/Qasim or the lady from Sanag but who can deliver? Who can bring about the restoration of the Somali state, be it through the gun,political manouvers or any other means. Abdullahi has strengthened his hand, like it or not he is the leader of 1/3 od the country. He wants to play on a national level and is not scared of the various warlords, millitias that exist in the south. Shouldnt he be given a chance? because we have had 14 years of USC promise, Ali Mahdi, Aydeed, Aydeed Jr that brought nothing but the demise of the nation, they all failed. Somaliland is sleep walking in isolation, its leaders and people are focused on their "national interest" and are not concerned with Xamar. We have had the "civil" societies promise, Prof Galayr, and Mr Abdi Qasim what has that brought, Arab funds being used for private enterprise, and no closer to Somali national resoration. So I still dont see anyone better than Abdullahi, who has 1/3 of Somalia, wants to play on a national level, a prven track record on security and is not interested in money?

Salam Alaikum brothers Salafi Online, truth seeker, NGONGE others good debate so far well argued and good refernces from Salafi and Truth. I have a number questions for Salafi, does our religion allow muslim rulers to take as protectors unbelievers, with this I have in mind the 1991 gulf war? If not what must muslims populations do in such cases? A question for Truth Seeker, what is the philospohy of Hizb Tahreer, give us a summary a background please. Brothers take care Insha Allah we will speak soon Asalam

The Wrong War by Patrick J. Buchanan There exists "no credible evidence that Iraq and al-Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States." There were contacts between al-Qaeda and Iraq, but "they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship." In 1994, Baghdad rebuffed approaches from bin Laden to establish terrorist training camps inside Iraq. So the 9-11 commission has concluded. And so, with no weapons of mass destruction yet found after 18 months of searching, the second pillar of the president's case for war falls to earth. Iraq was an unnecessary war. Yet, now we have 138,000 soldiers there, with casualties mounting, the cost rising and the hostility to America's presence growing. Every attack on U.S. troops or contractors, even when they involve Iraqi dead and wounded, seems to be cause for jubilation. Yet, George Tenet of the CIA excepted, the men who told President Bush the war was necessary, that it would be a "cakewalk," that the Iraqis would welcome us with candy and flowers and take to democracy like kids to ice cream are still in place, still in power. In his now-famous 2002 State of the Union, President Bush named Iraq, Iran and North Korea as an "axis of evil." He vowed that America would not allow any one of the three to acquire weapons of mass destruction. In 2003, we attacked and invaded the only one of the three that did not have a secret nuclear program. And since that State of the Union, the other two have accelerated their programs to acquire the atomic weapons President Bush said they would not be permitted to have. At this point, the Bush Doctrine has to be judged a limited success. Given the mess in Iraq, neither the American people nor the White House appears to have the desire or will to force an end to the Iranian or North Korean bomb programs. The Iranians, who are threatening to crash the Nuclear Club, are bristling with defiance. Tehran seems to have concluded that America has no stomach for another war. Tehran may be right. But if North Korea already has an atomic bomb and Iran will not be stopped from acquiring one, what does a new world of 10 nuclear nations, six of them in Asia, mean for U.S. foreign policy? We had best begin to consider the possibility. No nation that has acquired nuclear weapons has ever been invaded – for a reason. The strategic base camp for any Normandy, Inchon or Desert Storm invasion could be turned into an inferno in minutes by atomic weapons. This suggests that in confronting a nuclear-armed North Korea or Iran, U.S. Army and Marine bases in South Korea and Kuwait, and U.S. naval bases on Okinawa and on the south shore of the Persian Gulf are becoming strategic hostages and not strategic assets. Put bluntly, if Pyongyang and Tehran acquire atomic weapons, there are no more axis-of-evil nations with which we can risk war. For there is nothing to be gained from such a war to justify running the risk of nuclear retaliation on U.S. bases in Asia or the Middle East, or on Israel, an almost certain target in any war with Iran. During the Cold War, both sides accepted outrages that might have been casus belli before atomic weapons. The United States did not use on Chinese armies in Korea overrunning our troops the weapons Truman unhesitatingly used on Japanese cities. For Stalin, too, now had the bomb. Nor did we intervene to halt the massacre of Hungarian freedom fighters in 1956, or the building of the Berlin Wall in 1961. Carter's response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was a wheat embargo and a boycott of the Moscow Olympics. Moscow, too, was inhibited from taking action in Berlin, where it was strong, when the United States used tactical and theater superiority to force the Soviet missiles out of Cuba. And Moscow also failed to respond to Reagan's seizure of Grenada and aid to the Afghan resistance. As they used to say in the West, "God may have created all men, but it was Sam Colt who made them equal." Nuclear weapons are the great equalizers. They concentrate the mind of a statesman wonderfully. And with North Korea and Iran plodding along toward the building of these awful weapons – in blatant defiance of the Bush Doctrine – the president and Sen. Kerry should be thinking about the world that will exist in the next presidential term. For by the end of that term, Iran and North Korea could both be full-fledged members of our nuclear fraternity. If they are, the idea of an American empire will become as outdated as the British Raj.

NGONGE, yes the aim is a withdrawl from Iraq of US/UK forces and let Iraqi's elect their won government and run their own affairs. This idea of civil war was created and has been used by America in order to create permenant presence in the country. Its planning to build 14 new bases in Iraq is this because it wants to stop a civil war? The Iraqis poll after poll want America out, there should be a clear timetable for withdrawing the foreign troops and not tales to frighten the world of anarchy, it was America that invaded and then disbanded the security forces thus causing the vacum. Under Sadam Iraq became the richest and most educated state in the Middle East, it has more PHD holders that any country in the region on a par even with Israel, not forgetting the 13 years of war and sanctions. So lets not undersetimate the people of Iraq if there are free and fair elections and the Oil is used for real reconstruction employing Iraqi's then there will be no anarchy and war. So again the aim is for a free Iraq free of Sadam and free of the west running its own affairs and not ebing run by the neocons and Zionists

Listen whether you like HT or not, this is about Iraq and the people of Iraq that are being enslaved by the US and UK. Its high time muslims worked together irrespective of differing opinions. its not demonstrating for the sake of protest and its not too late as the west would have us beleieve. Iraq is changing fast and the people of Iraq are totally against the occupation, the problem is that the western populations are unaware of this. Public opinion is the new battle ground. So support anyone who is helping the people of Iraq.

Wow I have to say that Zidane never stops to amaze the man is a genious. I remember the game in 1998 against Brazil when he scored two headers. I remember his three kick against spain and his cool penelty against portugal in 2002. I remember his elegance as the general in midfield for Juventus and his demolition of Ajax in 1999. I remember his supernatural goal for Real Madrid in the finals of the champions league in 2002. He has won everything in football and today pulled of a classic comeback while Beckham missed Zinedine delivered. The world most expenisve player, world player of the year and champion of champions. Zizou I salute you...............................

This is a good link to Jewish converts to Islam. http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Jewish-Converts-to-Islam/