^^ What are you on about all the pictures i posted are either from seylac or berbera dubur and laasgeel.

Ancient Somaliland civilization

I swam in the luke-warm Indian ocean and kicked a football around with some Somali boys and their father who have come down to the coast for a brief beach holiday. Fully-clothed Somali women wade into the gently breaking surf, their colourful dresses becoming soaked as the men splash around in shorts. Somaliland is still quite a conservative society, and whilst I couldn't hope to penetrate below the surface during my short trip, a friend casually mentioned that Hargeisa was "much more fun" before the civil war. He suggested that when the great exodus took place in the face of bombardment from Siyad Barre's Air Force in the late 1980s, the people turned to their religion. Many left the country altogether, never to return. An entrepreneurial hotel owner has built the Berbera Mansoor with beach houses facing out to sea, but it looks pretty empty to me and not a patch on the Hargeisa version where the lobby is full of youthful NGO types on laptops and Somali men watching Premier League football or Al Jazeera. I saw no other casual visitors, and in truth, my motivation for a Somaliland mini-break wasn't with relaxation central to my plans. Genuine tourist activities are scarce, although the cave paintings at Las Geel should be a UNESCO World Heritage Site, but instead are down an unmade side road and suffer from the corrosive droppings of the swifts that nest in cracks in the cave walls. I wonder whether Somaliland's successes have been made possible by the fact that it has stayed, substantially, off the radar. Richard Dowden predicts that if it was ever formally granted independence then it would most likely precipitate a new war with the South. However, whilst many Southern Somalis still believe in the principle of a united, or a Greater Somalia, it seems unlikely that the South would be in a genuine position to resist. Internationally recognised independence seems something of a totemic desire for Somalilanders - everyone I spoke to in Hargeisa passionately believed in it. A trio of trainee anaesthetists told me that they were desperate to continue their studies outside of Somaliland so that they could come back as doctors and help build the country, but their qualifications were not recognised internationally. They all came from reasonably wealthy Somali families who could afford to send them abroad, but nowhere would take them. Such misfortune was immediately attributed to non-recognition, but I thought that it might have more to do with the quality of the institution - existing on a shoe-string budget, with few qualified staff - rather than recognition per se. Back in London I attend a briefing with the Somaliland Foreign Minister Dr Mohamed Omar - a bespectacled, determined man fiercely proud of "our extraordinary achievement" in building Somaliland up from the rubble of the civil war. Foreign governments are clearly starting to take Somaliland seriously as a political, if not a national, entity. Liaison offices for countries, including the UK and Turkey, are springing up in the capital and President Silanyo attended the London Conference on Somalia in his own right as head of 'state.' But there are worries - the security situation remains uncertain, and whilst Mogadishu may have gained from the expulsion of Al-Shabaab, there is a danger that the movement may splinter, and concentrate its operations on easier targets like Hargeisa, which unlike Mogadishu, is not defended by thousands of African Union troops. Somaliland's foreign policy is about "much more than just international recognition" says Dr Omar, and I tend to agree. Recognition is merely a necessary development in order to ensure people take the country seriously. Visiting the place might lull you into a false sense of security that everything is calm, but this is still a small player in a bad neighbourhood. Somalilanders cast their eyes South with nervousness, whilst desperately trying to persuade investors that everything is fine.

Michela Wrong once wrote that you can tell a lot about an African country by the way they issue, or refuse you a visa. This remains true, but as African leaders see the benefits of liberalisation (in a variety of different guises), heralding a stream of hot money flowing in to the continent, there are many other measures of 'doing business' that are equally revealing. Commerce in Africa now seems inextricably linked with the mobile phone, so seeing how easy it is to get yourself up and running with a SIM card can be a good measure of a place. In Addis Ababa I had to take a photocopy of my passport and 2 other headshots to a long queue in a small office, and several days later the ****** thing still didn't work. I didn't go back. In Hargeisa, capital of Somaliland, I arrived at my hotel, enquired about the SIM, whereupon the receptionist flicked a new one across the counter, expertly inserted it into my phone, and immediately topped me up with $5 worth of credit via text message. It all took 2 minutes. Whilst Ethiopia is no economic laggard - as evidenced by the increasingly terrible traffic in the capital and ugly edge-of-town industrial expansion - it is the freewheeling capitalism in the Horn of Africa's non-state state that really grabs the attention. Somali society has traditionally been strongly oriented towards trade and despite decades of chronic insecurity in the South, these networks remain. The Somali diaspora is well-known internationally, particularly since the civil war forced many of them out into prominent communities in Europe, North America and the Middle East. Somalia is now the second biggest importer of goods from Dubai, with wooden dhows risking pirates whilst plying trade routes across the Arabian Sea to dock at Berbera, Bosaso or Mogadishu down the Somali coast. Positioned on the upper haunch of the Somali dog-leg the Republic of Somaliland looks initially unpromising. It is mainly dry and rocky, there are few paved roads, and the population is small and generally dispersed. Only in the capital city do you really see the potential of the place. Downtown Hargeisa is booming, and the centre of the boom is Dahabshiil - the country, and region's major money transfer company. I met up with the CEO Abdirashid Duale who'd just flown in from Dubai. He took me to the centre of operations where I observed 2 remittance transfers being made, both over $300, one from London and the other Melbourne. Deeper in to the offices the more serious money is moved around. Stacks of dollar bills, generally preferred to the rather weak Somaliland shilling, are processed for local businessmen and international NGOs - both the United Nations Development Programme and World Food Programme have outfits in Hargeisa, and Dahabshiil is the preferred means of making financial transfers. The company's success, whilst extremely impressive, tells you something about the limitations of the Somaliland economy - it is substantially based around bringing in wealth created externally. Whilst the economy may be on the up, Somaliland still feels extremely isolated. An employee of a big international NGO who I met in the lobby of my hotel, The Mansoor, looked at me with astonishment when I said I'd come to Hargeisa for fun. "The biggest danger here," he said "is dying of boredom." This might have been typical ex-pat world weariness, but it underlined the fact that Somaliland has successfully insulated itself from the more newsworthy goings on in Southern Somalia. I'm told there are probably Al-Shabaab sleeper cells in Hargeisa, but the militant islamist group hasn't attempted an attack since 2008 when it bombed the presidential palace, the Ethiopian consulate and UNDP offices. Security at the Ethiopian consulate is still tight, with mobile phones confiscated at the front desk. This causes a blazing row between my guide, who considered himself above such precautions, and the rather jumpy soldier at the gate. I'm interested to know what actual problems are attached to international non-recognition as a state. The answer I get most regularly is associated with the processes of doing business - the lack of any international banks (hence the success of Dahabshiil), the difficulty of obtaining insurance - I'm pretty sure my own travel insurance would have been invalid if I'd needed it there. I didn't bother to ask. But there seemed very little likelihood of anything actually going missing in the country. The Somaliland population seemed almost pathologically honest - money is stored in great blocks on the street and transported in sacks. A more concrete example is provided by Africa Confidential, which recently reported that the Hong Kong oil company PetroTrans is likely to pull out of investing in the port of Berbera, having been unable to obtain insurance for the Liquified Natural Gas plant it was to build. The plant was to link up gas fields in Ethiopia's ****** region with export facilities on the coast, and will now see Somaliland lose out to its tiny, but strategically important neighbour Djibouti. When I drove it, the road east out of Addis Ababa towards the coast is busy with trucks, but the traffic thins out when you pass the turn off North towards Djibouti, and the Southern fork heads towards Dire Dawa, and beyond that the capital of the Somali region, Jijiga. The road is good however, but there isn't much using it, and we skim along it at a steady 100km per hour passing bright green fields of khat, which look like tea plantations, and provide a mild stimulant when chewed that makes the heat of the afternoon bearable for populations from Northern Kenya to Yemen. Good travelling conditions continue right up to the Ethiopian border, but then stop abruptly for the 90km onwards to Hargeisa which is a dirt track through the Western haud region. This is Somaliland's most fertile land, excellent for agriculture and pastoral grazing, but bad for unmade roads, which become thick with mud after heavy rain. Ethiopia's continued poor relations with Eritrea make port facilities in neighbouring countries of crucial importance. So it feels like Somaliland is missing out. In Hargeisa the main streets are buzzing, shops sell goods imported mainly from the Middle East and money changers sit behind massive blocks of Shillings (6,500 to the dollar.) But leave the capital and you begin to see the place's real challenges. How do you grow an economy in a small, isolated patch of semi-desert? The livestock trade, sheep and goats exported to Saudi Arabia (particularly during the hajj) is a big deal. This forms a nice historical continuity, as the Protectorate of British Somaliland was invented in order to safeguard the export of meat to the strategically more important military base across the water at Aden. Berbera is the main export hub, but whilst the port may be doing a roaring trade (described far better than I can by the BBC's Mary Harper in this audio piece), the town is unprepossessing and frighteningly hot.

So you want to defeat Somaliland with a man who died more than a decade ago:D

Carafaat 4.5 is good somaha hada:D

Madex-dhaqameedka Puntland oo taageray qaadacaadii Shirka Turka ee Madexweyne Faroole. Posted by Puntlandi on May 28th, 2012 Garowe(Puntlandi.com):- Madex-dhaqameedka Puntland ayaa taageray qaadacaadii Shirka Turka ee Madexwda dawlada Puntland xilli inbadan oo ka mid ah ay shalay ka baaqdeen socdaal ay ugu duuli lahaayeen Wadanka Turkiga. Garaad Maxamed Cilmi shirwac oo ka mid ah Isimada Puntland oo warbaahinta gudaha maanta la hadlay ayaa sheegay in Isimada Puntland ay ka laabteen go’aankii ay uga qyabgali lahaayeen Shirka Turkiga islamarkaan ay dawlada Puntland la qaateen go’aanka ay ku dhawaaqday. Garaadku wuxuu tilmaamay In aysan ka qaybgalayn shirkaasi, madmadaw ka jira ajandayaasha iyo waxyaabaha looga hadlayo awgiis, wuxuuna xaqiijiyay in aysan u suurtagalin isku dayo farabadan iyo dadaal ay ku bixiyeen in ay ku ogaadaan ajandayaasha shirka iyo xaqiijinta dadka lagu marti qaaday in ay yihiin kuwii rasmiga ahaa ee umada Soomaaliyeed matalayay. Garaad Maxamed Cilmi shirwac oo si qoto dheer uga hadlay shirkan Turkiga iyo mawqifka Isimada Puntland ayaa sheegay in Isimada Turkiga Tagay ee reer Puntland aysan xog buuxda ka hayn shirka loogu yeeray islamarkaan si kale oo aan xaqiiqda ahayn wax looga dhaadhiciyay. Garaadku wuxuu xaqiijiyay In ay jirtay qondo ahayd in qaar ka mid ah isimada Puntland la doonayay in ay malinimadii shalay Turkiga u duulaan si ay uga qaybgalaan shirkaasi lakin ay baaqdeen markii ay isla qaateen in shirkaasi in suusan ahayn mid umada Soomaaliyeed u qalma wanaageeda looga hadlayo. Garaadka oo qaadacaada shirkan iyo taageerida mawqifka dawlada Puntland ka hadlay waxaa uu yiri “Muqdisho wixii aan tagnay kuma aanan arag, naloomana soo gudbin sidii aanu rajaynaynay, ka isimo ahaana waanu ka midaysanahay shirkaasi, haatan Isimada shirka tagayna si kalaa wax loogu sheegay, laakin xogta dhabta ah ee aan idinsiinayo waxaa weeye waxa Puntland ay ka biya diiday waanu ka biya diidnahay”. Garaad Maxamed Cilmi shirwac wuxuu sheegay in uu ka mid ahaa Madexdhaqameedka lagu martiqaaday shirka Istanbuul wuxuuna carabaabay in aanMadex-dhaqameedkan loo soo bandhigin waxa uu shirku ku saabsan yahay wuxuuna yiri “iyadoo dareenkaasi uu nagu jirtay ayaa go’aanka Puntland soo baxay anaguna waanu taageernay maadaama Wax noo cuntama uu noqon waayay, waana ku raacsanahay taasi Madexda dawlada Puntland”. Arrintanina waxay imaanaysaa xilli shacabka Puntland oo midawsan ay si wada jir ah maanta u taageereen mawqifka dawlada Puntland ay ka istaagtay shirka Istanbul ee Turkiga, waxaana suurtagal ah in xilliyada inagu soo aadan ay banaanbaxyo arrintan la xiriira ka dhacaan magaalooyinka Puntland. www.Puntlandi.com

Mario B;835067 wrote: I think it's the time we had one President representing all Somalis in an International conference, enough of these presidential groupies in the international stage that look more like a circus than dignified politics. So President Sharif and PM Gaas are enough, I believe. Sakiin can stay home too, he is a lame duck speaker! True but here is the problem the 3 entities Galmudug and Puntland and the Ahlsuna are all stakeholders and part of the so called road map and the conference is also about the road map and ending the transition. When coming back this could cause some problems.

So 3 stake holders are not attending Puntland the Galmudug and the Ahlsuna sufis, only the TFG will attend the conference.

Xogta iyo ajandaha dhabta ah ee shirka Istanbul 28 May 28, 2012 - 3:30:03 AM Magaalada Istanbul waxa ka socda shir Turkigu isugu yeerey odayaasha iyo xubno bulshada rayidka Somalida ah ,waxana muuqata faragelinta xulida xubnaha ka qaybgalaya iyo weliba sida ay ugu dhexmuuqdaan ururo iyo kooxo siyaasadeed oo dano gaar leh fushanaya. Garowe Online waxa soo garey nuqul kamida ajendaha shirka oo la sheegey inay ka qaybgalayaan 300 oo qof 135 kamida waa odayaal dhaqameed Muqdisho diyaarad loogu soo direy islamarkasina u baqooley dhanka Istanbul iyaga oo aan wax ogolaansho iyo la tashi ah kala yeelan arrintaasi dadka ay matalayaan,maamulada iyo meelaha ay ka yimaadeen iyo weliba umadda Somaliyeed. Halka 165 kale la sheegey inay isugu jiraan aqoonyahano,ganacsato,dhalinyaro ,haween culimo iyo qurbajoog oo sidii odayaasha oo kale laga soo diyaariyey xafiis gaar ah,waxana ay isugu jiraan dad dibad joog ah oo siyaasada dalka aan ka war hayn iyo kuwo ku jira urur diimeedyada dalka ku hardamaya. Magacyada lagu casumey shirka waxay isugu jiraan rag horey ugu soo fashilmey siyaasada Somalia qaybna ka ahaa dowladihii dalka soo marey,ururo haatan u hanqaltaagaya maamulka dalka hanashadiisa iyo kuwo darajooyin ku qaatey colaada dalka ka aloosan iyo weliba rag Baydhabo fadhiyey oo Al-shabaab ka tirsan. Halkan waxaan idiin ku soo gudbineynaa qaar kamida magacyada xubnaha lagu casumey shirka Istanbul: Cadar Aadan (American Refugee Council),Dr.Maxamed Shiikh Axmed Doodishe ,Cabdulaahi Abuukar (Manhal Charity)Sahra Cali Xasan,Dr.Aadan Xaaji Ibraahim(Wasiirkii hore ee caafimaadka),Amiin Caamir,Axmed Naaji Sacad ,Cabdi Shire Jaamac Jooqle,Aamino Muuse Weheliye,Zakia Huseen ,Prof.Cabdulaahi Cismaan,Cabdiqaadir Aadan Cabdul, Abdirisaaq Xuseen,Gen.Axmed Jaamac ,Maxamed Shariif iyo odayaasha qaar oo soo jeedinaya kalmado,Dr.Cali Baashi ,Sh. Saalax Shiikh Ibraahim,Sh. Cabdiraxman Maxamed,Shiikh Cabdiqaadir Somow ,Xasan Mahadalah,Nuuradiin Diiriy,Amira Axmed ,Cabdulaahi Abyan,Najma Cabdi ,Abuukar Arman,Gen.Ahmed Jaamac (Former Police Chief),Prof.Yusuf Axmed Nuur,Cabdi Maxamed Abtidoon (Wasiiru dowlihii hore ee gashaandhiga),Sahra Cali Samatar,Zakiya Huseen ,Mustaqim Waid,Nimco Ahmed ,Hindiya Cali,Cadulaahi Cismaan,Maxamed Cumar Maxamed Ladan Caafi,Maxamed Diini,Prof.Cabdulaahi Bariise ,Cabdikarin Xuseen Guleed,Dr.Cali Ciise Cabdi,Xaliimo Ismaacil. Fiiro gaar ah magacyada kor ku xusan waa inta soo jeedinada ku leh shirka Istanbul.waxa jira ururo sigaar ah u dhex muuqda sida Samsam Foundation oo qaabilsan fulinta mashaariicda Turkiga Muqdisho.Hiil Qaran ,Tayo ,Khaatumo iyo kuwo kale oo ku caanbaxay inay ka soo horjeestaan habsami u socodka geedi socodka nabada Somalia. Booqashadii Turkiga wasiirkeeda koowaad kadib waxay ku dhawaaqeen inay Somalia ka fulinayaan mashaariic horumarineed balse waxa laga dhacsiiyey in Somalia ay tahay hal magaalo iyo hal qabiil oo qura oo waxay soo dhaafi kari waayeeen xayndaabkii Muqdisho. Il wareedyo lagu kalsoonyahay ayaa Garowe Online u sheegey in ku dhowaad 300 oo Milyan Doolarka Maraykanka uu Turkigu ugu deeqey Somalia balse lacagta tiradaas dhami gacanta u gashey ururo iyo magacyo gaar ahaaneed oo ku fushadey danahooda. Shalay ayaa war-murtiyeed si wadajir ah u soo saareen Puntland iyo Galmudug waxay kaa biyo dideen shirka Istanbul kadib marki ay arkeen faragelinta lagu sameeyey shirkan iyo weliba inaan danta Soomaliyeed lagu hayn halkaasi oo dadka siyaasada qaarkood ku tilmaamayaan in lagu wado qorshe cusub siiyasada Somalia mid lagu unkayo waana mid dhaawaceysa waxna u dhimeysa geediga loogu jiro haatan in dowladd Somaliyeed la helo Aug2012.

DEGDEG Dagaal Kasoconaya Degmada Cadaado ee Gobolka Galgaduud 28. maj 2012 Allpuntland Wararka Degmada Cadaado ee Gobolka galgaduud aynu kahalayno waxaa ay sheegayaan in dagaal uu haatan kasoconaya Degmadaas. Dagaalka waxaa uu udhexeeya Ciidaamada Ahlusuna iyo Ciidamada Maamulka Ximan iyo Xeeb. Sida dadka deegaanka ay Allpuntland uxaqiijeen dagaalka ayaa waxaa uu yimid kadib markii ciidamada Ahlusuna ay weerareen Degmada Cadaado ismarkaana ay kahortageen Ciidamada Ximan iyo Xeeb. Dhawaqa Risaasta ayaa lamaqlayaa walina waxaa soconaya dagaalka labada Dhinac . Lama Oga qasaaraha Dhabta ee kadhashay Dagaalka ,manajirto Cid labada dhinac Masuuliyiintooda oo kahadashay Dagaalka. Ururka Ahlusuna ayaa waxaa uu damac uu kaga jiraa inay gacanta kudhihto Degmada Cadaado oo uu ka arimiyo Maamulka Ximan iyo Xeeb.

Warsaxaafadeed— Maamulka Ahlusunna Waljamaaca waxa u hakiyay ka qaybgalka Shirka Istanbul Posted by Pi on May 28th, 2012 Maamulka Ahlusunna Waljamaaca waxaa uu hakiyay ka qaybgalka shirka Magaalada Istabuul ee wadanka Turkiga ka dhacaya 31 may ila 1 june 2012. Maamulka Ahlusunna Waljamaaca ee wadanka Somalia waxay go’ansaden in ay hakiyaan ka qaybgalka shirka ka dhacaya wadanka Turkiga sababha waxaad ka akhrisaa Warsaxaafadeedka oo dhamaystiran saxiixana, wuxuuna warsaxafadeedkaan soo gaarey warbaahinta Puntlandi.com maanta. Riix halkaan si aad u akhrisato warsaxafadeedka oo dhamaystiran oona saxiixan

This is getting funnier and funnier:D

Qandalawi;834953 wrote: Somaliland is part of Somalia and the only reason its attending this Somalia conference - I'm stating the obvious, right? Thats not the case here my friend

loool@Schoolgirl waxaba ii muuqatay tu yaro shadad weyn sidata oo cadheysan.

Carafaat i said before somalidu need to trust each other only with trust things can work. The somali politicians are fightng their own little clanish wars. And the rest of the somalis are following them like sheeps. Hada faroole iyo caalin maxay diideen way shakiyeen turkigu reer hebel bu wata iyo wax lamid ah

Somalia;834921 wrote: Cause they want to control Puntland's development. Who is they?

Carafaat;834917 wrote: Loooooooooooooool Somali Clan Federalism at its best. Somali clans having their own foreign policies. Hilarious, where is Xiinfanii to explain this one. Carafaat awoow ha ku cadayn dee:D

Somali peace foremost priority, says Davutoğlu Sunday, May 27, 2012 Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu has emphasized that resolving the conflict situation in Somalia is one of Turkey’s highest foreign policy priorities, as peace in Somalia would mean peace in a large area covering Africa, the Red Sea and the Indian Ocean. Delivering a speech at a gathering of representatives of Somali civil society groups in İstanbul on Sunday, the foreign minister underlined Turkey’s role in contributing to a stable economic and political environment in Somalia. “While the entire world was looking to Somalia from the outside and holding conferences [on the situation in the country] in foreign capitals, Turkey has sent its most active civil society groups and aid organizations into Somalia, to be able to demonstrate that we share a common fate with Somalia,” he asserted. He further maintained that Turkey sees Somalia as neither an area of interest nor as a risk or security threat, but as a place where humanity’s conscience would be tested. İstanbul is preparing to host its second major international conference on Somalia on Thursday, titled “Preparing Somalia’s Future: Goals for 2015,” a high-level meeting expected to be attended by presidents, prime ministers and ministers from 54 nations, as well as UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon, Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) Secretary-General Ekmeleddin İhsanoğlu and Commission of the African Union chairperson Jean Ping. On Sunday Somali civil society groups gathering in İstanbul also selected a delegation from their number to speak at a political session of the conference on Thursday. İstanbul was the venue of the first major global conference on the political conflict in Somalia in May 2010. Davutoğlu highlighted that Turkey has fulfilled all promises made to Somalia, and recalled several visits to the country by both himself and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan to improve their contribution to the nation’s peace. He also mentioned the regular flights initiated by Turkey’s national carrier Turkish Airlines (THY) to Mogadishu from İstanbul, claiming, “İstanbul is currently the door for Somalia to open to the world and will continue to be so.” Turkey has sent $365 million (TL 640 million) in cash and in-kind aid to Somalia over the past year, according to the Prime Ministry’s Disaster and Emergency Management Directorate (AFAD). Famine killed 29,000 children in Somalia last year, and Turkey has spearheaded projects to send aid to the conflict and drought-stricken country. Meanwhile, Abukar Arman, Somali special envoy to the US, touted Turkey’s involvement in Somalia as “a model worthy of emulation,” writing also in a statement released on Saturday that Turkey’s aid campaign is “not about how much money is raised or poured into a system, but how strategically those dollars are invested.” Source: Today's Zaman

Aaaliyaah Somaliland is a defacto state according to the international community the Turks said we are willing to help Somaliland assist it on all fields healthcare roads education Turkish airlines will also go to Somaliland, So they both agreed to attend the first part of the conference a ministerial delegation will attend.

MoonLight1;834784 wrote: who? he was a teacher and was living in the city more than 20 years with a local wife, but that didn't save him. Ok waan gartay AUN to ur uncle lots of bad things happened in the past ilaahy samir iyo imaan ha inaga wada siiyo

Aaaliyaah Somaliland will be attending the first part of the conference the Somaliland goverment and the Turkish government agreed on that. Somaliland will only attend the first part of the conference which only is about the development and how turkey can assist Somaliland , we welcome that.

Yes i think they are Good people and Good Muslims well i am a good person