Somalia;848504 wrote: Xaaji, it is im.pos.sible. The international community has been frank about this, they want the end of the transition period, our eedo from the State Department made it clear, if Shariif tries anything he has no chance of returning as a permanent president, they will undercut him. You are right its not in his hand they pay the salary of the troops protecting him he cant say no. Do you know the Europeans wanted to give him another six months the state department said 20 august 2012 and not a day later.

Well six month is not that bad knowing a new parliament needs to be formed a new constitution and time is ticking six month extension might be a solution it just depends on how the international community wants it if they want sharif out than he is out. I mean its called the western backed government of Somalia its not actual government for the people or by the people.

^^ Anything is possible

Why not Sharif should return as President

Congratulations mashallah

Now you are talking just nonsense first you said its common knowledge than i asked you to bring evidence you brought forward a video of saaado cali and the profile of Axmed Godane:D

^^ Still no evidence that's the US state department profile of Ahmed godane nothing new

So saado cali is you're proof:D

Allegedly supporting? is there any factual evidence that asmara supports Alshabaab. Mahad the Amiir is not supported by Somaliland he is supported by rich Arab millionaires in the middle east and ofcource Ayman Al zawahiri.

By Associated Press, Updated: Thursday, July 5, 6:56 PM WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is blacklisting six people, including two senior Eritrean military officers, for their roles in allegedly supporting the radical Islamist al-Shabab group in Somalia. The Treasury Department announced the sanctions Thursday under an executive order that can impose punitive measures on individuals deemed to threaten peace, security or stability in Somalia. The sanctions freeze any assets the men have in U.S. jurisdictions and bar Americans from conducting business with them. The six are accused of providing financial and logistical support to al-Shabab, an al-Qaida affiliate designated a foreign terrorist organization by the State Department. In addition to the Eritreans, the sanctions apply to a Sudanese accused of recruiting foreign fighters for al-Shabab and three Kenyans, including a cleric, said to have raised money and arms for the group. Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Somaliland parliament speaker Abduraxmaan Ciiro just arrived in Sanaag Ceerigaabo.

xiinfaniin;848440 wrote: Has it been concluded yet? I trust the Yonis Mother to be the first in the collective Mothers political groupings to come to their senses and realize this independence nonsense is no wise possible and would not tackle challenges facing average man and woman in the region. The most patriotic Somalilanders ever

Its not necessarily bad even-though i understand where oodweyne is coming from how ever there were several similar clan gatherings last year in 2011 held across Somaliland in awdal shirki xeego the dubur shir in Saaxil we had another one In Hargeysa. Its part of our society and traditional culture to organize our selves as clans most of these clan gatherings is all about development and how to better the lives and the environment of the said clan settlements in the country.But its true we must set some priorities securing the borders with Somalia dealing with the Koonfurians and their politicians focus on the talks with Somalia which is important.

What is this.

Taleexi;848148 wrote: Fahamkeennu ma ka foga balse isku wax ma doonayno. isku si baynu wax u fahmayna waxan aminsanahay inad caqliga u saaxib tahay wuxu hambigagu yahay na waan ogahay laakin wa wada adag oo aad maraysid oo qodxo leh oo ay qodxaha qaar ku dhigeen kuwa tol ku sheega eeh garowe ka so jeeda. Adiguna waxad leedahay cadceedi ba so baxday hala tamashleyo dunidu awoow sa uma shaqeyso. Iska iloow wuxu xaajigu doonayo adigu maxaad doonaysa ma ka dhab ba ma rabta inad gaadhid hamigaga meel walba ma u maraysa weye suaashu?

Why would reer taleex disrupt the conference when they were the one hosting the conference even with the killings of reer Cali shireh It was only noble of them to let the process of the conference continue.The Khatumo conference when it was being organized it was done by the G10 Dr cali ciise cabdi from Taleex himself. The only thing Khatumo so far accomplished was minimizing the power of the Elders but you are still dealing with the same not so lucrative politicians as before. I agree though some of the progress of Khatumo is hindered by the Garowe boys to the east and dealing with the TFG will not help their case either you need to have allies in the region.

Every one knows that the Garaad clan was never interested in a autonomous state well at-least their politicians are not interested in that. For them it was more about political opportunity taking their opportunity to continue their political career where every they can. I am not talking about the genuine diaspora who truly believe in a state for their own clan. But in reality we can conclude the khatumo conference and the organizers of that conference. No one really knew the exact agenda other than uniting the clan but the amount of diaspora members attending the conference was overwhelmingly more than the rest of the attendees.

Showqi Family ba laga bilaaba marka danbe qarankay isku badasha oo wala isku sii biira wax fahan dee wa baby steps:D

:D presumably you're right but when some intruder is trespassing you're territory or house shouldn't you be ready shouldn't you organize the entire family like they are doing at the top mountain of daalo in sanaag:D

Oodweyne ma maqli jirtay Geeli ba ino dhalay the peoples are very comfortable now and days even though in Somaliland the citizens are very traditional a clan gathering doesn't mean anything.Our very own establishment as a country was that of a multi tribal conference in 1991. Its like some sort of re identifying our selves as people and the roots of our political culture for centuries. But i see you're point national unity is our priority since we are fighting for our rightful place at the world stage. But Keep in mind there isn't any opposition right now ucid seems to be allied to the government udub is busy with party politics and the rest of the parties are not legitimate parties yet. We need real organized opposition with in the country the government is getting to comfortable. This is just a counter conference of the gar adag one in 2008 this will most likely be the outcome. 1 in la ilaaliyo midnimada iyo qaranimada iyo wadajirka jamhuuriyada Somaliland 2 in ay beeshu xaq u leedahay inay magaalooyinkeeda deegamayso 3 in ay beeshu xaq u leedahay inay xisbiga ay doonto tageerto 4 in ay beeshu kula noolato beelaha kale eeh Somaliland si nabad iyo sharaf ku jirto 5 in ay beeshu gudi sameysato ka arimisaha arimaha u gaarka ah beesha libaaxyada 6 in ay beeshu xaq u leedahay inay gobolo ku yeelato dalka Ethiopia 7 in ay beeshu kala tashato Ethiopia xuquuqday ay ku leedahay dalka Ethiopia iyo Kilinka shanad 8 in ay beesha salaadinta soojireenka oo kaliya matalaan beesha 9 in ay beeshu xaq u leedahay inay ka muuqato hayadaha dawliga eeh degmada hoose eeh burco 10 in astaanka beeshu tahay ta libaaxa. End of conference

Sheekh Xasan Daahir: Shacabka Soomaliyeed Tacsi ayaan u diraynaa 1-Luluyo, maadaama waddankii la haysto Sheekh Xasan Daahir Aweys oo ka mid ah saraaiisha shabaab si aa ahna uga soo hor jeedo Joogitaanka Ciidamada shi sheeye ayaa uga tacsiyeeyay Umada Soomaaiyeed munaasabada 1-luliyo oo la Xusayo. Aways ayaa sheegay in Xiligan aan la xusi Karin Luliyo waxa uuna sheegay in dalka Gumeysi uu ku jiro, oo uusan xor ahayn. Sheekh Xasan Daahir Aweys waxa uu sheegay inuu jiro dhibaato laga galay Umada Soomaaiyeed, waxa uuna sheegay in Xornimada laga haysto Dalalka Itobiya iyo Yugaandha. “ aniga ma garan waxa loogu Dabaal dagayo 1-Luliyo Maxaa yeelay Dal Xor ah ayaa dabaal daga, dalka waxaa laga haystaa Adis ababa iyo Cnpala, marka ma garan u jeedadaas”ayuu yiri aways. Sidoo kale Sheekh Xassan Daahir ayaa ku eedayay caalamka Islaamka iyo dowladaha Carabta in ay iska indha tirayaan Xaalada Soomaaiya. Sheekh Xasan Daahir Aweys ayaa sheegay in Xiligan uu ku sugan yahay gobolka Shabeelaha Hoose waxa uuna si weyn u dhaliilay dowladaha Caalamka isagoo ku tilmaamay in qadiyadoodi ku wajahneyd Soomaaliya ay hoos u dhigeen Mareykanka.

Diinta Masiixiga iyo Diimaha kale waa in ay noqdaan kuwo si siman loogu adeegsan karo Dalka Soomaaliya ” (Wasiirka Arrimaha Dibedda Taliyaaniga Giulio Terzi) Roma (Ramaas) July, 4, 2012- Wadamada deeq-bixiyayaasha ee caalamka ee ka qaybgalay shirkii arrimaha Soomaaliya lagaga hadlayay ee ka dhacay Magaalada Roma ee xarunta dalka Talyaaniga , ayaa dalbaday in dastuurka cusub ee Soomaaliya uu noqdo mid dhowraya xorriyadda Diimaha. "Waxaa waajib nagu ah in sharciyada iyo xorriyadda Diimuhu ee dastuurka cusub ay noqdaan kuwo loo siman yahay, ayuu yidhi wasiirka arrimaha dibedda Taliyaaniga, Giulio Terzi oo dalkiisu uu marti geliyay shirkan. "Diinta Masiixiga iyo Diimaha kale waa in ay noqdaan kuwo si simman loo adeegsan karo," ayuu yidhi, iyada oo dowladda Soomaaliya ay sheegtay in dastuurka cusub uu yahay mid lagu saleeyay Diinta Islaamka. Shirka Roma ayaa waxa ka qaybgalay saraakiil ka socday 28 dal iyo wakiillada haya'daha caalamiga ah oo uu ku jiray ergayga gaarka ah ee xog-hayaha guud ee Qaramada Midoobay u qaabilsan arrimaha Sopomaaliya Dajire Augustine Mahiga. "Hawlo badan oo ka mid ah khariidadda nabadda ama Roadmap-ka ayaan weli la qaban," ayaa lagu sheegay i qoraalkaas. Iyada oo madaxda dawladdu ay sheegayaan in ay ku dhameyn doonaan xilliga KMG ah muddada loogu talogalay oo ah 20-ka bisha August ee sannadkan. Af-hayeenka baarlamaanka Soomaaliya Shariif Xasan Sheekh Aadan oo hadal ka jeediyay kulanka ayaa sheegay in xaalada Soomaaliya marayso mee halis ah. "Xaaladda Soomaaliya waxa ay maraysaa meel khatar ah... haddii aan gabagabeyno xilliga KMG ah, waxaan rajeynayaa in shacabka Soomaaliyeed ay geli doonaan xaalad cusub." Dastuurka cusub oo qaybyo-qoraalka ah ayay madaxda Soomaalidu waxa ay isla garteen bishii la soo dhaafay shir ay ku yeesheen Magaalada Nairobi, iyada oo loo gudbiyay odayaasha dhaqanka si ay uga soo talo-bixiyaan. Lama oga sida ay madaxda dowladdu ku aqbali karaan in qabyo-qoraalka dastuurka ee la doonayo in la ansixiyo 12-ka bishan uu u noqon doono mid dhawraya xorriyadda Diimuhu.

The Somalia –Somaliland Dialogue and Punland’s Deception on the Peace Process. By Mohamoud Arrale the current on-going dialogue between Somaliland and Somalia is a controversial issue and it has divided the opinion of the people the current on-going dialogue between Somaliland and Somalia is a controversial issue and it has divided the opinion of the people into two packs. One crowd (majority) is in-favour of the dialogue while the other set is not at ease with the discourse. In this dialogue at least the is one benefit for Somaliland: the generations who born after 1960 in both sides are appreciated now that Somaliland and Somalia were two different countries which united and chosen to be called Somali Republic in their Union in July 1960. However, the first set or those who are in favour of the talks differ in their ultimate objectives and each group wants to persuade the other in a cordial way: The people in the south of Somalia are supportive of the union whereas, quite the opposite, those in Somaliland are asking for their recognition from their counterpart in the south and from the international community. On the other hand, the latter crowd who is disconcerted to the kick off the Somalia –Somaliland dialogue, sees itself as a political loser if the current initiative bears fruits in one way or the other (Re-union or recognition). Therefore, in this article I would like to reveal the deliberate manoeuvring of Dr Abdirahman Faroole, the president of Puntland who fit in to this disconcerted crowd. ever since the British Government hosted the London conference on Somalia in February 2012 and that dialogue between Somaliland and Somalia came into the agenda, the leader of Puntland was singing the blues as he spared no effort to get the attention of International community, by playing games and making frantic statements to pave the way for Puntland to be included in the process of Somaliland - Somalia Dialogue as an equal entity. He ranted to barricade any direct negotiation between Somaliland and the TFG of Somalia. However, it is apparent that the Puntland administration is neither recognises Somaliland official borders as they claim some districts of Sanaag, Sool and Buhoodle of Somaliland nor respects the right of the TFG over his ******teenia regions in both the national and international levels. On 19th of June 2012, as Dr Faroole is fighting with his teeth to sabotage the on-going peace dialogue, he submitted a complain letter entitled TFG-Somaliland Dialogue to Chevening House meeting held on 20-21 June 2012 (can be searched on Puntlandi.com). The letter was addressed to the UK ambassador to Somalia, The EU Special Envoy to Horn of Africa and the Norwegian ambassador to Kenya and also copied to the president and the prime minister of the TFG, Dr Mohiga, The S. Rep. of AU Commission to Somalia and Finally to the US Rep. To Somalia. But this letter was not copied to Somaliland. The substance of the letter or the message it has carried can be summarized in two points a) the claim of some parts of Somaliland - Sanaag, Sool and Buhoodle - by Puntland and b) the barring of the two Puntland members from the selected negotiating committee by the Somalia’s TFG as demanded by Somaliland because the two members from Puntland were Somalilanders. However, during the meeting another letter from Khaatumo group arrived to the venue and basically refuted line item (a) of Puntland letter. On 23 June 2012, Dr Abdirahman Faroole, the President of Puntland, gave an interview to the BBC Somali section in which he also casted doubt over the purpose of the meeting between the two presidents of Somaliland and Somalia (M.A. Mohamoud and Sh. Sharif Ahmed) held in Dubai on 28 June 2012, in which the presidents in their capacity as leaders of the two countries – Somaliland and Somalia- endorsed the outcome of the peace initiative talks in London and Istanbul. Surprisingly, Mr Faroole was present in the venue where the two presidents were signing the agreement between the parties (Somaliland and Somalia) and the International Community is considering his administration as a part of Somalia (Southern Somalia) that is represented by President Sheikh Sharif in the occasion: the man that he is trying to share with his shoes. That disparaging interview in which he told to Yusuf Garad of the BBC that the meeting was merely a gathering for which the sheikh was seeking for re-election and Silaayo for recognition and sarcastically said that he did not know how they could help each other on that. He added that few photos were posted together in the hall where he was at time. He openly pronounced in the interview that he is not supporting any peace initiative that he is not involved as a person and thus statement shows his egotism and his insatiable nature. The whole interview was a gruff utterance to blight the on-going peace process. As a matter of fact it was the practice of Garowes’ successive administrationS to have their policies on their sleeves: keeping deviously the order of their house while at the same time sharing the power with Mogadishu Administrations or course-plotting for any change in power. As a last resort, the Puntland president is now aiming to heal wounds with the Khaatumo Group and ****** people in a proposed meeting in Jigjiga with the aim of gathering weight to get in the way of the dialogue between Somalia and Somaliland. Finally for Somaliland apart from that dialogue, there is an uphill task waiting for them that needs to be addressed in the soonest possible; Somaliland needs to tidy up its rather messy internal affairs. It has to expedite the settlement of all pending and sore issues whether it is political or tribal dealings all across Somaliland. Mohamoud H Arrale For your ease please find below all Communiqués CHEVENING HOUSE DECLARATION JUNE 2012 1- Following the commitments in the London and Istanbul communiqués that the international community would support dialogue between the Transitional Federal Government of Somalia (or its replacement) and Somaliland to clarify their future relations, the two sides met at a technical level on 20‐21 June at Chevening. 2. The meeting was hosted by the UK and co‐hosted by Norway and EU, at the request of the two sides. 3. The purpose of these preparatory talks was to establish a framework for future substantive talks. 4. The participants of the meeting welcomed the opening of a dialogue and emphasised their commitment to the continuation of these talks. 5. The participants: (i) Agreed that the talks would take place between two sides ‐ the TFG (or its replacement) and Somaliland, in accordance with paragraph 6 of the London Conference Communiqué and paragraph 10 of the Istanbul II Conference Communiqué; (ii) Noted the need to adopt a common approach to avoid anything that would undermine the continuation of the talks as defined above; (iii) Committed to the continuation of the talks and called on the two presidents to meet to review progress as soon as possible; (iv) Called on the international community to continue to facilitate the talks, including providing the two sides with external experts on legal, economic and security matters; (v) Agreed to share experience on working more effectively with the international community on the use of development and humanitarian assistance for the people of both sides and called for the international community to increase that assistance; (vi) Agreed to cooperate in the fight against terrorism, extremism and serious crime; (vii) Agreed to cooperate in the fight against piracy at sea and on land, maritime crime, illegal fishing and toxic dumping; and (viii) Reiterated their support for ending the Transition in Somalia Dubai Statement 28 JUNE 2012 Following the London and Istanbul communiqués that the international community would support dialogue between the Transitional Federal Government of Somalia (or its replacement) and the government of Somaliland to clarify their future relations, and following the meeting held in Chevening House, London, the President of the Transitional Federal Government of Somalia and of the president of Somaliland met on 28 June, in Dubai. The meeting was hosted by the government of the United Arab Emirates, at the request of the two sides. The purpose of this meeting was for the two presidents present, President Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed, Transitional Federal Government of Somalia, and the President Ahmed Mohamud Silanyo, Somaliland, to formally endorse the process of the talks between the two sides that were started in Chevening on 20-21 June. Both parties agreed to the continuation of this dialogue, and agreed to allow the two committees, formed by the Presidents, to continue the talks on order to clarify the relationship between the two sides. H.E. President Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed H.E. President Ahmed Mohamoud Silanyo Presidents, President, Transitional Federal Government of Somalia Somaliland

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