Castro, You do realise that none of this is real and no wives are getting divorced. For this one time only the E-Nuri Empire has expanded and sponsored a clean version of The Gerry Springer Show. Therefore, I say punch the first right on the nose and marry the second with no gabbati, saaxib.

^^ Go point it out, saaxib.

Originally posted by sheherazade: P.S; I never let my guard down unless it is deliberate. I was reading but alert. When the man asked if I were a Muslim, I gave him the benefit of the doubt as he may have been one. When he gave me oranges how could I tell him to p*ss off and for what reason? When he made himself clear, I tore his ear drums . [/QB] Tut! Tut! Have you not read a word of what JB wrote?

As the Egyptians say: اقطع العرق وسيح دمه Cut the vein and let the blood run free.. I’m not sure if this proverb is to do with the slaughtering of animals and the need to be swift (i.e. making sure that the animal dies instantly and does not needlessly suffer for long). Or, if the proverb is about gangrene, septicemia and the need to amputate a limp! Either way, to get rid of such problems, one would have to cut the vein and let the blood run free, as it were. No doubt and no hesitation. Divorce the first, marry the second and get on with your life, Faarax. And now, I'm going to contradict myself just for the fun of it... نقل Ùؤادك حيث شئت من الهوÙÙŠ ماالحب الا للحبيب الاول كم منزل ÙÙŠ الارض يالÙÙ‡ الÙتي وحنينه ابدا لاول منزل

And, now, something completely different! The following photo tickled me and I thought I best share it with you people. There are more in the website below: Islam awareness week!

^^^You do me disservice there, saaxib. It’s true I didn’t know what Somaliland looked like and mistook it for New Zealand, however, with time and constant use of SOL, the signatures of my fellow Nomads helped me learn about all the towns and areas of the Republic of Somalia (former). SOO MAAL I’m disappointed in you, saaxib. Most of my last post was just a joke. You really didn’t have to go on analysing it. Still, if you insist on being serious, spare me the revised history lesson and go comment on this thread , saaxib.

Originally posted by sigma: great topic!! just something to lighten up the debate (no offence offered) ngonge To expand on one of Ms Dworkin’s theories, every single one of us is a potential rapist. web page :eek: check her out, i'm sorry but looking like that she would be single in alaska And yet, she was raped three times!

Originally posted by Castro: ^ Absolutely not. Not under any circumstance. If the ultimate goal is to procreate, I've enough charm, good looks and wit to entice any (ok, some) woman to have kids with me (though I'm now done having kids). I would not resort to rape for any reason. Heh. I’ve got to admit to my naivety and inexperience in these matters but I could have sworn that SEX, of any kind, normally, has no reason. It is after all, or so I thought, a basic urge. Intellectually or morally one might argue for the case of SEX being purely a means to an end (i.e. having children, preserving the family name, etc). However, one would imagine that your average men and women do not engage in sex to procreate but rather, for the simple pleasure of it (note how I’m deliberately avoiding the Halaal & Haraam issue and the rape angle for now). Now, I return to my view that rape is something most of us are capable of doing and if put in the right environment, many of us would easily succumb to it. It’s an issue of values and morals. Many of us don’t rob, steal or loot because we fear the law rather than believing that such acts are immoral. Ever watch a riot, earthquake or disaster? Are all the people engaging in immoral acts really the criminal and corrupted or are there many of us ‘good citizens’ right there amongst them? What prompts all these people to appear the minute law and order break down? (Loaded and very rhetorical question, I know). You might think I’m going off on a tangent here, however, I believe it’s a lot more useful to expand this topic than harp on about fashion and dress sense. Besides, the dress sense argument seems to centre round the premise that prevention is better than the cure. Which, it is I suppose. However, does it also mean that those that take no heed of ‘prevention’ have nobody but themselves to blame when they meekly cry for a cure? Surely that’s the only subtext of such an argument! Still, like I said, better expand on this debate. Those that have no values or morals will always rape, steal and pillage. Many of us believe that we have it all under control but what guarantee do you have for this? Surely one can’t comment on an action without having contemplated it and covered all the options! Have you actually sat down and thought of reasons why you should not indulge yourself and go on a raping spree? You see, most of our values and beliefs are influenced by other people’s opinions. An example of this is all the statistics that have been thrown about earlier in the thread. 99% of people think this! 85% of respondents think that! 5% of rape victims think the other! All are mere opinions on the subject and none deal with any elements of morality. How many of the respondents to these questions have done so without passion? Does unanimity imply correctness? We need laws, codes and simple rules for the lazy, ignorant and obtuse to blindly follow. However, he that seeks to understand life better, should never be satisfied with replies such as ‘because this is the way it has always been or because such and such said so’. Of course, in an ideal Islamic society, the women would cover up and the men would lower their gaze while all along everyone would know why even if the females didn’t cover up and males didn’t lower their gaze, rape would not take place. It, simply, is not just. And, in a faith where we all strive for justice and fairness (the cornerstones of piety) it would be absurd if we transgressed so much as to rape a semi clad woman. Her naked body might stir your urges but her naked morals should, under normal circumstances, disgust you. Having said that, and from personal experience, half-naked women only seemed attractive to me when I lived in a land where most women are (almost) fully covered. Nowadays, it’s the fully covered woman that usually catches my eye (particularly if she’s sitting under a tree in a beach somewhere). Still, my wretched values prevent me from ever approaching her.

To expand on one of Ms Dworkin’s theories, every single one of us is a potential rapist. It’s not an issue of clothes and dresses (though one might, convolutedly argue that case). It’s an issue of morality. Castro’s mention of animals is so apt in this case. Rape is an animalistic pursuit. When humans (men and women) engage in it, they do because they’ve regressed to the level of animals. What stops you from raping your pretty next-door neighbour (male, female or in-between)? Are you afraid of the law? Is it because your faith TELLS you so? Is it because rape is wrong? Why? What makes rape different to sex? Ever actually think of the difference or even of the mechanics of rape? I’m of the view (one that is not backed up by any statistics whatsoever) that the vast majority of men and women, under the right (or rather wrong) circumstances and with a clear way out, will easily commit rape! As for the paraphernalia of clothes and dresses being the reason for rape, I’d argue that a hungry shark would still attack you whether you were bleeding or not. Granted, the blood might attract his attention to YOU but, what with it being a shark and being hungry it would have been on the look out for a victim anyway. Do you think you could commit rape (and this question is not only for the boys)? If not, why not?

Notice something missing, Castro? :cool:

^^ We can start all over again after this one ends. I think it ends next month. If we have more teams, we could break it down to several divisions of six or seven teams each (will take less time). The winners and runners up of one league will get promoted while the losers of the other will get relegated. It’s early days. Let us see how things go for now. I too am aiming for second place (no idea if it’s mathematically possible).

Originally posted by Jannisary: As far as Ethiopia being pro-secession: I think that possibility is too far off the chart. Let's remember that Ethiopia is a nation-state with a vast amount of mini-states based on different ethnic and linguistic units (i.e. current civil strife between Tigres and Amharas). If Ethiopia recognizes Somaliland, the chance of internal self-determination warfare will skyrocket and rebel groups such as the OLF and the ONLF will be empowered to further pursue their secessionist goals within Ethiopia. For Somaliland, rumors of Ethiopia recognizing them is a way to calm the public's anxiety. Heh. It’s like Eritrea never happened.

Oooh! Things are hotting up! Pragmatism takes over I see. Something tells me though that most Somalis will not read these comments as being purly those of Mr Geedi. Indeed, I wont be surprised if the cry has not already gone round that ‘Mr Yusuf has sold the people of Sool & Sanag down the riverâ€! The Somali-wayn issue was always a thorny one and no matter who was the Prime Minster (President) of the TFG, they would have also reached the same conclusion. One can’t talk or even consider ‘occupied’ lands when one’s own (free) country is in a total chaos. The pragmatist (any pragmatist) will have to play the diplomatic game and sooth his powerful neighbours with sweet words and assurances about his lack of enthusiasm for a greater Somalia (it was always a wild dream to begin with). Still, the real ‘gaffe’ in this issue is the Prime Minster’s opinions regarding Somaliland. What political ends do they serve? What possessed him to walk into such a trap? Is it really all down to his political naivety or is there some sort of hidden deal? If it were a gaffe, then it’s a great one for the Somaliland propagandist to make use off. It’s a great one for the Capital’s Ministers to dissect and spread and it’s a great one for the dissenters (if any should be found) in Puntland to hold up and wave in the face of their own President (I’m not talking about Abdullahi Yusuf here – it’s ok. Many still make that mistake). The whole Somali world, apart from Prime Minster Geedi, his immediate family and some uninformed Africans, know that the real control resides in the hands of the great ventriloquist, Abdullahi Yusuf. So far, Mr Yusuf did not make any comments denouncing his Prime Minster’s blunder! How dare the hero of Sool and Sanag abandon his people in such a way? Do they really not matter to him anymore? Or have the glittering lights of the TFG made him forget his humble beginnings? Is he the type that would sell his own beloved Puntland to the highest bidder, if political necessity calls for it or is it merely Sool and Sanag that he would sell? Where does all of this leave the people of S&S? I am, of course, being extra mischievous here. However, I can’t help wondering if, today, there are a few S&S people questioning their commitment and loyalty to Puntland (it were Yusuf that embraced them and it seems to be Yusuf that’s letting them down)! Regardless of what I say or any other opportunistic passers-by say, the paranoia has set in and the people of S&S shall not view Puntland the same way again. Time to setup a new republic to counter Somaliland and Puntland, methinks. What will they call it though, I wonder? I expect President Rayaale to make an announcement any minute now rejecting the comments of Prime Minster Geedi and reaffirming the independence of Somaliland. We don’t need any confirmation from Geedi or his boss to prove the existence of Somaliland, he will wildly say. Somali politics. Don’t you just love it? Can just imagine a young maid dancing barefoot on top of her wash bucket and getting engrossed in listening to the Somali BBC coverage of the latest political gaffes. Every time she hears of a new one, she gasps and stamps on the water harder and harder. Every time she does, a bit of dirty water escapes the bucket and lands somewhere on the floor! Sooner or later, the water will run out and the girl will hang her clean clothes up to dry. Most people will complain about the wasted water, I on the other hand, am enjoying the chance to see a bit of leg.

Originally posted by Aeronwen: Intaa meel aan lagaaga baahneyn baad afka lasoo gashaa, NG . Let the girl whip the chauvinist in peace. He more than deserves it. Without blowing my own trumpet too much, I thought mine was the only worthy contribution on this thread. Not surprised at all that the message has not been received. Carry on. :cool:

Focus indeed. Well, I suppose this is what Castro would call a 10-30. ÙViking, I shall not make any replies to your suggestion lest it gets misconstrued again and gets deleted. Suffice it to say, the length of the cluck is not what I question. Enjoy.

^^^What are those numbers meant to be? Betting odds? Incidentally, I always imagined the real Shahrazad to be a softly spoken yarn spinner. The story tells us how she finally managed to soften the heart of cruel old Shahrayar and stop him from marrying, mistreating and killing young virgins (uncircumcised I’d wager). Now, whilst I don’t believe our very own Shahrazad wants to marry the king, I at least suspect that she’s chasing him around with these stories for a good cause. I’d also wager that he’d, sooner or later, succumb. Now, Shah, tell us about the fisherman and the fish...

^^^ I dare anyone to say that this lady's voice is fitna.

Warya, Northerner, are you ignoring this thread on purpose? These North Americans are getting too big for their shoes, saaxib. How long has things been this way? There was a time when the UK boys used to gather together any xayraans who happened to have a passport and send them over to that Canada tournament to return back with the trophies. I’ve given up on the number of times it’s been won. I’ve lost touch with the football side of life too these days. Does this thread mean our boys have not been winning those tournaments and allowed the North Americans to start having delusions of grandeur? Bang. Out. Of. Order.

^^^ You do realise you only beat him because I softened him up for you, don't you? Waxaro beat me 4-3 this week, but, at a cost

^^ He does, but that's par for the course for Somali 'political' thoughts. There are always some shadowy groups behind things (check out Ethiopia on the other thread).

Originally posted by Ducaqabe: quote:Originally posted by Xiinfaniin: Sorry but this is another rubbish,similar to what we have been getting lately. Xiinoow, Could not agree with you more. The authors chooses to mention and idenfity those he’s Alleging to belong to Itixaad by qabiil. Throughout the article, I see these tribal names, Abskul, Reer Abdille, Abgal, Reer Aw Hassan, Mareehan, Ali Saleebaan, Habarje'lo, & Ayr. I wonder why he didn’t name the former government officials and warlords by their qabiil? Is this article written for non-Somalis? The piece is not about government officials or warlords though. The author made clear from the start who his targets were. Xiin probably knows more about the history of these movements than this guy and I bow to his superior knowledge (should he wish to share it with us), however, I believe the author of this piece was trying to be meticulous in his analysis and pinpoint the main characters of the article (after all, it’s the Somali way to mention someone’s clan). I suppose there are three ways to deal with this article (forgetting motives and conspiracy theories for now. How I wish they would be forgotten forever). You can either refute it sentence by sentence. You can fully accept it or you can deal with the overall message and feel of it. I doubt anyone here could easily manage to refute it sentence by sentence (unless of course we accept anecdotal evidence as a justifiable refutation). I can’t see many reasonable people fully accepting such an article (despite the impressive historical narrative). This leaves us with the overall message and feel of the article. The author is not hiding his dislike of ‘Islamic’ movements in Somalia. His agenda is very clear. He wants to open the eyes of anyone that cares to see to the dangers such groups, allegedly, present! Is he correct? Are these groups as organised and systematic as he tries to portray them? Do they all fall into the same category? Can they hinder peace in Somalia? Have they hijacked the ‘cause’? They’ve been getting lots of coverage lately. From the ‘Islamic’ courts of the capital to the ‘terrorists’ caught in Somaliland or the Cinema shutters of whatever that other place was. All have added to the negative fuel against ‘Islamic’ groups. Why is that? Are these groups really to blame for such things or is it all propaganda aimed to attract western attention? There is a feast of a discussion in this article for any that are interested in having a discussion. Adequate reading comprehension abilities are a must though. This is what the author says This shadow force has played a pivotal role in the failures of successive Somali peace conferences. The Somali people, including prominent warlords in Mogadishu, are indeed hostages to this potent shadow force. Nonetheless, both Somalis and the well-wishing international community have failed to take serious note of the potential menace posed by the ghostly spectre haunting the unsuspected populace and its formidable bearings on social, economic and political life of war-weary Somalis. In the following pages we will try to unveil that sinister and mysteriously shrouded dark force.

Where are the men you speak of? All I see in those photos are little kids! How old are these boys? Sixteen? This homosexuality issue however, puzzles me somewhat! Somalia has the best conditions in the world for homosexuality. Take a stroll in its various streets and coffee shops and observe male bonding at it’s best, people. We brainwashed westerners might cringe, recoil and groan about such natural affection but it nonetheless exists. Go and look! See the two pensioners holding each other’s waists as they take an evening stroll? See the young boys horse playing around and pinching each other’s backsides? See the hugs? The kisses? The nomadic style of standing on one foot with the other resting on the knee? See the hands on the hips? Why in the world, after seeing all of that would anyone accuse a man that dresses in women’s clothes of being a homosexual? Somali homosexuals, if any exist; don’t need to hide at all. Nor do they need to declare their existence. The conditions for them are perfect as they are. Just look at those tired boys who just finished playing a game of football in the baking sun and are now resting in the shade. See how he’s got his head nonchalantly resting on his friend’s chest? They’re probably sweetly whispering to each other about the girls they’re going to meet tonight by the big tree at the end of the street!

^^^ Stop it, you. Pushing up the criteria like that and trying to talk yourself out of the running.

What an amazingly comical piece of writing that was! Yet another of those that should be moved to the Camel Milk Debate section!

HornAfrique, Now that you’re back and have been given a new lifeline, will that mean your contributions will improve? Did you, in your period away from here, take time out to think about how your standards have dropped to the level that others thought you were someone else? Did he? Pardon my criticism, but I feel that my tiny pricks are most opportune while you’re lost in the euphoria of being vindicated and reinstated on the forum. You display strong signs of intelligence; you’re articulate enough (in many languages it seems) and can easily convey your points and arguments. I would advice you to use this incident as a new chance to reinvent yourself. Rise above the riff raff and work on your contributions. Again, the ban, the accusations and the entire circus that followed do not really matter. It’s a storm in a Somali teacup. What matters is that you were mistaken for someone else (this is not an attack on that other person by the way)! Saaaxib, something is not right when others think you’re not YOU. This section is full of non-entities and people with uniform opinions lacking any logic or thought. Could it be that your opinions have fallen to such depressing levels and careless presentations? Today, the case was about you and Wind-Talker, tomorrow it could be about any of those welcoming you back or those warning you not to cross their paths again! I could have sent you this as a private message and remonstrated my good intentions in writing such a piece and swore that I only mean it as a brotherly advice (which it is). But, that would be pointless. You’re a big boy and would not mind me using your example for others to learn from, saaxib. PS Did you get to speak to Wind-Talker about all of this? Be honest and say who was the more offended?