** Takes out Sitar ** ** Sits crossed legged opposite Sheh ** ** Clears throat and lets rip ** Kabhi kabhi mere dil main khayal aata hain Ki zindagi teri zulfon ki narm chhaon main guzarne pati To sadab ho bhi sakti thi Yeh ranjho gham ki siyahi jo dil pe chhayi hain Teri nazar ki suahon main kho bhi sakti thi Magar yeh ho na saka, Magar yeh ho na saka aur ab ye aalam hain Ki tu nahin, tera gham, teri joostjoo bhi nahin Guzar rahi hain kuchh iss tarah zindagi jaise, isse kisi ke sahare ki aarzoo bhi nahin Na koi raah, na manzil, na roshni ka suragh Bhatak rahin hai andheron main zindagi meri Inhi andheron main reh jaonga kabhi kho kar Main janta hoo meri hum-nafas, magar yoonhi Kabhi kabhi mere dil main khayal aata hai An Indian friend of mine gave this quick translation to this famous Ghazal: Often, thought comes in my heart if i have life under the shadow of your hair it would have been more peacefull the ink of pain and sorrow on my heart could've been lost in your eyes, but it didn't happen! but it didn't happen, now life is on verge that i don't have you, nor sorrow neither hopes! living life without any support/landing hand no road, no goal, nor way to see light, my life is travelling in darkness. i'm to be lost in darkness someday i know it's my love of life, but.... often, thought comes in my heart :cool: I could smell the TATA oil on this thread and this is why I decided to post this poem here (it’s also a famous song - as if!). Somehow, I have a feeling that many (as in: more than one) Nomads understand the words with no need for any translation. Hope you enjoyed it, meri jalebi This is all you (urdu speakers) are getting from me for Eid.

The African nations cup in Egypt early next year is going to be one hell of a tournament! Every single team in that competition will be favourite to win it. The finals will contain the new teams that qualified for the 2006 world cup and it will also have the older and more known teams, such as Nigeria, Cameroon and Egypt. Seeing that the tournament is going to be played in Egypt (and not some unknown place like Niger or Chad) expect the conditions of the pitches to be great. The organisation is also likely to be top notch and the TV coverage worldwide. This African Nations' cup promises to be the best ever (even better than the European Championships and the Copa America). Look at this for a mouth watering line up: South Africa Congo Egypt Zambia Ghana Ivory Coast Cameroon Nigeria Morocco Angola Senegal Togo, Tunisia Zimbabwe Libya Guinea

Dirty tricks don't always work. However, they are part of the game and are not considered cheating. The same also applies to buying an opponent’s tactics report. The problem with both of these methods is that they cost money (or econs). To make money, a team will have to sell players, take part in sponsor activities (this happens once a week) or issue regular press releases. I personally think that the dirty tricks are a waste of time and money. If the other players agree, I can disable that feature. I think the Nuun’s team is Didas united PS Ayuub’s cup competition is still waiting to be populated. Can’t we find six other teams to join? PPS I’m surprised that your team quota does not allow you to join that cup competition. Give it another try please (something might be wrong here).

^^ Have you joined any other leagues?

The sad news is that the new league has started already and no new teams can join. Ten teams will battle it out to find the SOL league champion. However, the good news is that Ayuub Sheikh has volunteered to start a cup competition to run parallel with this league. The code for the cup competition is as follows: 37308 The competition is still open and even those that joined the SOL league can join and attempt to ‘do the double’. All latecomers can also join the cup competition. Hurry. PS All the managers of the SOL football league are advised to choose their tactics and squad. The first games are played on the 8th of October (i.e. tomorrow for some and today for others).

In a hotly contested game at the Burco Dome, the Boredom Boys had a narrow victory against Bushwhackers FC. We now have nine teams in the league (ten if Grammaticus joins) and can kick off the season to find out the greatest tactical minds on SOL. I’m going to start the league tomorrow evening. Any latecomers now have less than 24 hours to join. May the best team win. PS Any females that think they ‘know’ their football are also welcome to join.

^^^ We have 8 teams in the league now. I can wait and see if any new people (Juma, Viking, Ayuub, etc) want to join or I can start the league! I think it's best to wait for one more day (once we start no new people can join). In the meantime, you can hone your managerial skills and challenge others to friendly games. Want a game?

North Adeer ha i cawrin dee. I work very hard, I do Update: Got (and approved) the six players required and can start the league now. Shall I start or shall I wait for others to join? Any latecomers? Juma? Ayuub? Viking? PS Castro, you need to make a 'formal' application, saaxib. Sending a hand-written letter to my home address is not good enough.

Five people have joined so far. We only need one more to activate the league. After that, I'll give it an extra day or two for all the late comers (Somali so maahaa).

I have created a Ramadan Football league in the following website: Xpert Eleven Those interested in joining should register and then type the following number to find our league: 37022 Games will be played Mondays and Thursdays (as soon as at least six teams join). Do you think you can hack it? Is your football tactical knowledge up to scratch? Are you a 4-4-2 Nomad or 4-5-1? Maybe 3-5-2? All can join but we have to have at least six teams registered before the league can really start. Hurry, hurry.. [ March 23, 2006, 16:43: Message edited by: Northerner ]

Though I’ve used computers almost daily for the past fifteen years. Though I’ve done loads of IT courses and almost fell into the trap of calling myself an IT professional, I am, deep down at heart, a raging luddite. I appreciate Charles Babbage and his girlfriend’s work, I love a spinning jenny but I will not buy anything online. I need to feel and touch the product before I pay for it (this includes groceries). I also do not ‘shop’ on the phone. I want to speak to a real person when I buy things. A person that I could, later on when the product proves to be faulty, strangle with his/her own store tie.

^^^ No. I will not reprimand you anymore. I think my message was loud and very CLEAR. I shall turn my attention to the next person that does what you do. Make sure you keep an eye on our discussions. PS I would not dream of calling you a hijab-adjuster, you’re too earnest for such a thing. Now, Johnny B on the other hand...

Originally posted by Muhammad Howell - Niinka Cadaan: quote:Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^^ That’s good of you and I appreciate it. I also believe you to be sincere in what you write. But it is still wrong. Keep doing it and I’ll keep talking about fake-mullahs (can’t expect you to forgive me every time). PS You being an ajnabi means nothing to me. I’m arguing with you because you’re a Muslim who I think understands the faith and applies it the wrong way (on here at least). How am I applying it the wrong way, and be specific. If you can bring authentic proof that would also be beneficial. Let us start again. First of all, welcome to the site. Saaxib, I don’t wish to patronise you and I hope you will still be in a forgiving mood as you read these words of mine. I feel that I’ll have to state the obvious before stating why I opposed that post of yours. As you can see, I have not participated in this topic other than to tell the original poster that he’s being irresponsible for thinking about marrying a second wife when he has not (yet) married the first. That was all I could contribute to his mischievous enquiry (and even then, it was really for the gallery and not for him). I kept on reading most of the other contributions (as I usually do with almost all threads on this site). Many were moot, trivial or old recycled nonsense. Still, that is what you get in discussion forums and I’d be mad to expect everyone to miraculously hone their arguments or improve on them. Even I, arrogant and haughty as I invariably am, occasionally talk such twaddle. I carried on sifting through the replies until I came across your one. It was a fatwa talking about mockery of Islam and had no accompanying text, disclaimers or explanations by you. It was not even a mild fatwa. You subsequently argued that the fatwa was put there for a reason and that people should phone you to find out what the reason was! This, weather you realise it or not, gives the impression of secrecy, weakness of argument and one having something to conceal. Lest you think I am questioning your intentions, I don’t. I really, really, really believe that your intentions are good. However, that does not mean I think your methods are right. This is a discussion forum. Your messages (if the admin does not delete them) will stay here for the foreseeable future. If one reads them in four months time, one needs to understand what you meant when you posted that fatwa. YOU HAVE TO ALWAYS PLAY TO THE GALLARY (more so when you decide to preach). Now, had I not hounded you in such a way and questioned your post, how would we know that you meant it in a general way (which I’ll come back to in a minute) and that you didn’t have specific individuals in mind? How will a passing Nomad know that women (whom this topic is about) were not your targets? I’ve come across other Nomads posting verses and ahadeeth and arguing that they were done ‘in a general way’ and with no specific person in mind. Why a general way though? And even then, why not write a few words telling us the same message without using the Quran that might be misinterpreted or misunderstood. Worse still, someone might go away from this thread and go on in life believing that women who refuse to be second wives are mocking Islam and, therefore, are a bunch of disbelievers. Far fetched? It’s an assumption, saaxib. In the same way that when someone posts random verses assumes that all his/her readers understand it. I am not asking you not to use verses of the Quran or ahadeeth in your posts. I am asking you to think long and hard about the way they will be received, understood and interpreted. Contemplate the impact they’ll have and weigh the benefits. After you’ve done all of that, I expect you to at least give a short hint, comment or explanation as to your reasons for posting such a verse, hadeeth or fatwa. Don’t assume that those reading your work know what you’re trying to say. SAY IT. I can call you a beard-stroker, false mullah, hijab-adjuster and a number of other names for months to come. After a while, you’ll get so used to it that you’ll learn to ignore me and my words will make no difference to you (they probably don’t now). If you and others keep posting random verses, ahadeeth and fatwas with no explanation whatsoever, after a while, people will get so used to them that they’ll learn to ignore them too (many already do I bet). How many would also ignore a good Islamic topic started by you because you’ve developed a reputation for being a random verse-shooter? The above was specific to the case of your post, which I disputed. However, I would also like to make it general (as if I wasn’t playing to the gallery all along) and ask all those that post similar fatwas (random, uncalled for and comment-less fatwas) to stop and think a little before they do so. PS I probably failed again, but the effort of trying to suppress the sarcasm, condescension and patronising putdowns was immense. I am not sure if I could survive another ordeal.

^^^ That’s good of you and I appreciate it. I also believe you to be sincere in what you write. But it is still wrong. Keep doing it and I’ll keep talking about fake-mullahs (can’t expect you to forgive me every time). PS You being an ajnabi means nothing to me. I’m arguing with you because you’re a Muslim who I think understands the faith and applies it the wrong way (on here at least).

^^^^ In this case though, the words being used are cloaked in an Islamic garb. In fact, some are sayings of the prophet or verses from the Quran. If someone said NGONGE is not a man and I got upset, you can rightfully remind me that it were only words on a screen. If someone tried to rile you by saying that the lion was a dead one, I’d tell you to ignore them and refer you to my words on screen principle. These are not that though. These are people taking fatwas, sayings and verses out of context and posting them in a supposedly Islamic site. It’s not words on a screen at all. It’s my duty to point out misleading arguments and obvious drivel. It’s your duty too, saaxib. :mad:

Originally posted by Muhammad Howell - Niinka Cadaan: quote:Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^^ There goes NGONGE Still, I can’t understand how this applies to this topic. Is it a passing fatwa? Does it apply to anything the people on this thread discussed? Hey, there's no need to hurl insults at me. I am a muslim, and I am assuming you are one too. Don't you know that a Believer is the one from whom other believers are safe from harm... If you are not a muslim, then please excuse me. I'm sorry if you missed the point, but it wasn't meant for you. Also, you are right about it being out of place somewhat because I posted it in response to some statements on the previous couple of pages, same topic though.. If you want an explanation of why I posted this, just message me and I will tell you. Or you can call me at (614)475-4644 and I will be happy to explain to you offline. Insults? Oh look! Another fake mullah with a hidden message. Oops! Did I call you a fake mullah? It really is not what you think, brother. I’m a fellow believer like you and I have my reasons when I point out all the artificial mullahs and fake beard strokers. E-mail me @ Red_Herring_2005@hotmail.com (genuine e-mail) to hear more. I’ll receive your e-mail even when I’m away praying. Still, such fatwas as the ones you posted are not new on this site. Such hush hush logic is not out of the ordinary. Such pointless nonsense is to be expected. However, one would be mad to blame the sheep for destroying the crop when one can clearly see how incompetent the shepherds are. The most ironic thing about all of this is that the majority of the nonsensical, badly researched and inappropriate topics on this site seem to be the ones with an Islamic theme! It really was never supposed to be that way. NEVER. Where are you o ye spirited defenders of Islam to come and see how these amateurs are tossing it around like a child rearranging the alphabet? Someone somewhere (somehow) needs to stop the gibberish and halt the decline.

^^^ There goes NGONGE Still, I can’t understand how this applies to this topic. Is it a passing fatwa? Does it apply to anything the people on this thread discussed? Are you telling the women not to reject the nonsense the original Nomad wrote? What? Having read this out of place, reason or context fatwa, I can’t even mock your haste and lack of knowledge by referring to your empty beard and artificial understanding (lest I become a disbeliever! Or am I already one?). Oh never mind. I’m sure someone would have benefited from it. Moderators: that nonsense above is on your heads.

A man who used his mobile phone to replay footage of a beheading in Iraq to a hotel shop worker has been jailed for 60 days. Subhaan Younis, 23, played the images to shocked Charlotte McClay last September at a hotel in Glasgow. Sentencing him at the city's district court, the stipendiary magistrate said he could not understand why Younis had the images on his phone. Euan Edment said jail was a fitting penalty for the breach of the peace. The magistrate told Younis: "I struggle to understand why you had images on your phone entailing the death and degradation of another human being, regardless of their religion or race. "Miss McClay was shocked, upset and distressed by the images. This is a serious offence and something she will remember for a long time, perhaps for the rest of her life." The magistrate said he did not accept Younis's claim that he had told Miss McClay he was going to show her the beheading and he believed she was interested in seeing it. The court had heard how Younis, of Baliol Street, Glasgow, had been speaking to Miss McClay in the shop at the Moathouse Hotel in the city's Congress Road on 27 September 2004. 'Colossal mistake' The part-time shop worker said he had downloaded the images onto his mobile phone from the internet. Defence lawyer Dominic Sillar said: "This was a colossal mistake on Mr Younis's part. "The incident arose out of a series of misunderstandings. Both had been engaged in a conversation about the Iraq War and he said he would show her something which would cause her sleepless nights and her reply was 'Aye right'. "He didn't believe he was acting maliciously when he showed her the image. He misunderstood that she might want to view this and she misunderstood what might be shown to her. "He fully accepts he was responsible for causing her upset. That was not his intention and he apologises for it." However, the magistrate said he did not consider Younis's evidence to be reliable. Source

187, It's because she's probably a child (assuming of course you didn't think of that already). PS That photo makes Castro look wiser than he really is. Here is Johnny :cool:

It does not come as a great shock that this thread has turned into a discussion over labels rather than the topping up of Iman (though that too is subtly inferred to in the arguments that ensued). The thread starts with high octane and energy. It then goes on to compare matters to car races! Vroom! Vroom! A sensitive filly can almost smell the pheromones there (to put it bluntly, fast cars are usually a boy’s toy). Thus far though, one only suspects that only sensitive females rejected this analogy (the others probably resisted the doubt). The thread goes on to talk about sisters, transistors, resistors and a whole load of engineering tongue twisters! Now the alarm bells are really starting to ring. This speed-loving, high octane praising, car lover has intended his topic for the girls! How dare he question our (womanhood in general and not the single reader) Iman? Why is he trying to dress what is obviously a sexist thread with the cloak of advice? It is almost as if he’s mocking us. What’s with the labels? Huh? When one reads a piece, one does so with preconceived expectations and ideas. The reader, going by his previous knowledge of the author, arrives with a checklist that he/she ticks as they go on reading the piece. Parts of the piece that meet the reader’s expectations are approved or rejected (depending on the reader’s expectation). New ideas are quickly analysed and treated in accordance with the reader’s prejudice. In the case above, many of the females came into this thread having had ‘history’ with the author and female related topics (see Athena’s ‘old habits die hard’ comment). The majority of the others (myself included) came expecting another good and helpful topic (though it’s gone sour now, I still think it’s a good topic). Some of the boys (particularly those with an engineering background) completely embraced the topic and thought the analogies to almost be an exact depiction of reality. Indeed, terms such transistors, resisters and hijab wearing sisters set their shoulders into shaking with high-octane laughter and appreciation of the expert way the analogy was delivered. That the thread was a boy’s thread was either lost on them or regarded as ‘no big deal’. That the three categories of women described only imply good or bad Iman did not matter to them (to imply is as good as to assert here). Such women exist. Women that wear the hijab are (usually) considered to be of good Iman and women that don’t, have weak Iman. What’s there to argue about? VROOM! VROOM! Some threads are straightforward, clear and unambiguous. They’re also boring. This one was not (though I doubt Nur meant to be controversial). This thread is a demonstration of how people like to read and what criteria they apply when reading. It is unlikely that many people missed the premise of this thread. NO! It was not about women (Kashafa), cars, engineering or sexism. It was about topping up one’s Iman. It was about the lack of practise, neglect of duties and committing of sins leading to the decrease in one’s Iman. It was also about good work increasing the level of one’s Iman. This, if nothing else, is what one should take from this thread (and even if it’s nothing new, it’s a good reminder). For the purposes of these forums and discussions (current and future), what people need to focus on are the ways they read (and write) things. Almost all written things can be read on many levels. Some go for the literal meaning of words, some dwell on the style of writing and some read and interpret ideas. Here, some ‘interpreted’ the idea to be dubiously sexist. Others knew what the idea was but decided that the sexism story had more mileage. The greatness of Qays’s poetry (or should that be Celmi) makes many of us imagine Leila (or Hothan) as the most beautiful woman in the world. Leila of course, was probably very ugly. But ugly was (probably) what Qays considered beautiful. It was a matter of taste. Qays was the storyteller and in his version of the story, Leila was very pretty. VROOM! VROOM! To an infant, the story of the hare and the tortoise is just a story. It has animals in it and the narrator is probably using funny noises as he/she reads the parts of the hare and the tortoise (this is all that this story is about for this infant). An older child considers it a puzzle and listens in anticipation to see how this impossible race is going to end (is the hare going to lose?). Once he/she hears the ending of the story, he/she marvels at the ingenuity of the tortoise and scorns the carelessness of the hare (but sees no moral in the story). An adult, having heard a million other similar stories, tries to look for the moral of this tale. Slow and steady wins the race. VROOM! VROOM! Some never move from the infant stage. Some never grow out of the child stage and some are always too damn serious that they never ever leave the adult stage. The trick of course, is to combine all three. New skills do not render old skills obsolete; they rather compliment them. The females don’t want to be engineers. They want to drive those racing cars (and rightly so). Maybe if it was a level racing field, there will not be many dissenting voices and we could go back to talk about the legitimate issue of topping up one’s Iman. Edit: I have no idea what I wrote above by the way. It’s been a busy day at work and I wrote this in a real hurry (even more than usual). Need to rely on your reading abilities here to keep up with me.

^^^ I have no idea what this guy is talking about (background of story), however, knowing Somali nature, do you disagree with his conclusions?

Maybe the guy that married you off was on the net too! :rolleyes: You have not given enough information, dear. And even if you did, this is the wrong place to ask such a question in. Random people on the net might endup misleading you instead of helping you. Tell you what, you tell us what town you live in and we'll try to find you a local 'expert' to help you out. Best of luck.

So the internationally known Al-Qaida fighter turned out to be a ragged Somali? It was just a cynical attempt to advertise the election, was it not? Call me difficult but I find it very hard to trust anything Somali politicians say or do (even when it’s true and correct). Is there anything sacred for these people? Anything beyond their reach? Somaliland has not yet perfected the art of democracy but they seem very adept at spin doctoring. Worse still, Somalia (TFG) is bound to try now and take advantage of the situation. Politics that is rotten to the core this is. PS Patriots and nationalists are advised to sidestep my posts on this topic.

This tedious style of quoting every sentence is counterproductive and only derails the discussion or leads to pointless digression. With all due respect, Soco, you really don’t know what you’re talking about here. You keep promising to provide ‘verses’ but you still strongly continue with your argument (one that is nonsensical and mere hearsay without those phantom verses). For now, I shall ignore everything else you wrote (including what words I allegedly attributed to you) and deal with your next quote alone. quote:What skills should one have to interpret the Quran? No skills. The quran is self explanatory and easily understandable to all as said in the Quran itself. Will provide the verse soon. If you disagree, note you're arguement then is with Allah and not me. quote:Would you need to be able to read Arabic or does a simple translation sound ok? Isn't the Quran for all humanity or is it for arab speakers only? The arguement the quran can only be understood fully by arabic speakers only, is complete red herring not to mention its contradiction to Allah in the Quran. The Quran can adequetly be translated into many languages. My favourite being English since it has far greater vocabulary then arabic. How will you know that the translation is accurate, saaxib? We are talking about cautious socod who does not accept authentic ahadeeth because they might not be ‘true’! What if the French translation is closer to the truth than the English one? Now let us get back to your ignorance and lack of knowledge on this subject. You, my dear brother, are the other side of the coin to those Islamic mannequins! Can you speak Arabic? Do you understand the miracle that is the Quran and why it is considered a miracle? What you read in English, brother, are not the Quran but rather a simple translation of the words. It does not have the same impact and the meanings are not as sharp. Socod, there are (and have been) a whole load of discussions amongst Muslim scholars, intellectuals and linguists over the acceptability, usefulness and point of translating the Quran into languages other than Arabic. Your words, your whole style and your attitude show (nay prove) that you are not aware of half these things nor know much about the subject you’re attempting to heartily discuss. I’ll briefly return to your preference to read in English and your outrageous claim that English has far more vocabulary than Arabic! Who says? You? For someone that claims to be a scientist, you’re very sloppy with your facts, saaxib. From reading your words and trying to sift through the waffle, I can see that you do have a genuine gripe and are frustrated with some issues of hadeeth and translation. However, you’re too hasty with your proclamations and final judgments. Try to brush up on the ‘science’ of hadeeth again. Work out how the Isnad system works. Find out why some ahadeeth were rejected (don’t just use it as evidence for your nonexistent argument without understanding it). Ask yourself why, as a scientist, would you accept some ‘ahadeeth’ and reject others (the method and system used to obtain both is the same after all). Go away, refine your argument, work out your protests and position. What you’re presenting us with here are nothing but simple brush off and tantrums (from a scientist no less!). PS You’re not a boy, man.

So, you have not married the first and you’re already thinking of marrying the second? This does not sound like an argument for or against polygamy, this is an argument on RESPONSIBILITY. I would not recommend that you marry at all (for the time being). I don’t think the Islamic view here differs from any other view on this issue.