^^ Why would a child wear a hijab then? Talk to us as if we're five year olds. I dare you.

Holland will not win tonight. It'll be another Germany.

Serenity, I wanted to go but time and life stopped me. Why do people organise such events during the week? Most annoying really. Lily, It's her eyes. Beautifully expressive eyes. ** Wonders what chub said **

It's Friday the 13th

Originally posted by Northerner: ^^Can't they be kids WITH their hijaabs on aswell? Is it holding them back? From what? It is possible that parents who choose to put the hijab on their young children are also expecting these children to act in an 'Islamic' way. You know, not to run because it's not 'ladylike', not to scream because it's 'ceeb', not to mix with boys, etc. The piece of cloth on the head is not the one on trial here, the accompanying expectations are. Anyway, I suspect that for most people that do it, it's just a tradition (with a lazy attempt at religious education). After all, the world is full of simpletons that would put what they perceive as tradition above and beyond anything else. Ps Johnny, again, in his inimitable slightly crass way is putting a very good argument forward. Should you indoctrinate children from a young age or let them find out for themselves? Is it really a case of daddy/mummy knows best?

^^ I am not laughing. How come I never see you around Selby Centre?

^^ Are you out of your meeting yet? I think CL is making it all up by the way. She's a smelly student.

^^ Now I know where I saw you. You probably don't remember me, but I was the guy who used to help you cross the road in your way to school, adeer.

^^ It's a correct statement. The insinuation is somewhat offensive.

Great song. Great views and lovely woman. Even the words are lovely.

Don't listen to the rumours, that photo was NOt me. ps I'm moving house.

I was too old for English schools, North. A fact I regretted for a very long time. I mean, come on, you lucky rascals had GIRLS sitting next to you in class.

Heh. David Davis resigns from Commons Shadow home secretary David Davis has resigned as an MP. He is to force a by-election in his Haltemprice and Howden constituency which he will fight on the issue of the new 42-day terror detention limit. Mr Davis told reporters outside the House of Commons he believed his move was a "noble endeavour" to stop the erosion of British civil liberties. The 59-year-old is one of the best known Tory MPs and his resignation came as a complete surprise in Westminster. He told reporters outside the Commons: "I will argue in this by-election against the slow strangulation of fundamental British freedoms by this government." BBC Political Editor Nick Robinson said it was an extraordinary move which was almost without precedent in British politics. 'Personal decision' Shadow attorney general Dominic Grieve is to take over as shadow home secretary. Asked about Mr Davis' resignation, Tory leader David Cameron said: "It was a personal decision, a decision he has made." He said it was a "courageous" move and he hoped Conservatives would support Mr Davis's by-election campaign. But he stressed the work of the shadow home secretary - on knife crime and other issues - "must go on" and he praised the man replacing him, Dominic Grieve, as a "star performer". Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg, who also voted against 42 day detention, said his party would not be fielding a candidate in the by-election, after speaking to Mr Davis. 'Stunt' Labour MP Denis MacShane said he was sure Mr Davis would win the by-election but added "I think this will be seen as a stunt" which showed the Conservatives were "utterly unfit" for government. The former Europe Minister said he thought Mr Cameron had "cut the ground from under David Davis by not pledging to repeal 42 days" if the Tories won the next election. But he said Mr Davis' decision to resign was "a bad day for Parliament" and said he did not personally think Labour should run a candidate against him in the by-election. It has come to something when it takes the lone bravery of a Tory MP and the house of Lords to protect civil liberties in this country Peter Hearty, London In his resignation statement, Mr Davis attacked the growth of the "database state," government "snooping" and the destruction of civil liberties. "This cannot go on. It must be stopped and for that reason today I feel it is incumbent on me to make a stand," he told reporters. "At least my electorate and the nation as a whole will have had the opportunity to debate and consider one of the most fundamental issues of our day - the ever intrusive power of the state into our lives, the loss of privacy, the loss of freedom and the steady attrition undermining the rule of law," he said. Local party Mr Davis' local party fully backed his decision, its chairman Duncan Gilmour said. "David discussed early in the week what he would do if the result went against us last night. "David is a man of principle and we fully back him," he said. The Lib Dems had targeted the seat in 2005 as part of its ill-fated "decapitation" strategy to unseat key Tory figures but Mr Davis was re-elected with a 5,116 majority. Nick Clegg said the party would fight the seat at the next general election but he said the "unnecessary and illiberal" 42 day proposal transcended party politics. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk_politics/7450627.stm Published: 2008/06/12 13:12:27 GMT © BBC MMVIII

I was going to wait for A&T again but I may as well stick with my team. Down with the Germans.

^^ Did you overlook the 'fiancée' part, my dear?

Well done, JB. They all agree.

Sounds like Skipper went to White Heart Lane School. I know a few people that went there.

Tell me about it, Ibti. My own mother, the woman that gave birth to me and is supposed to love me more than anything in this world called me fat the other day. MY OWN MOTHER! Hayam, Walaalo, dearest, you lovely embodiment of brilliantly distributed xalow (and other assorted energy reserves), I was not talking about the subject of the thread there. I was talking about 'and so it begins' comment of yours. (But yeah, it's only words and pictures on a screen. Don't take it to heart. If it makes you feel any better, my tummy is twice the size of that shaking boy).

Heh. Two holiday reports in one. Castro, The place where Cadaan was staying has a mafrash facing it and another three doors away (there is also a third in the street behind). But I have a feeling he didn't visit any of them. Oh! This reminds me that his 'host' has been inviting me for a super session for two years now and never did it. I'm going for a visit.

^ And it begins...juvenile replies that will litter the thread and bleed it of any meaning. Seriously a picture of a strange fat kid...in a sincere weight-loss thread? Come on now, be fair. It did not begin with me. Most of the thread had no meaning anyway.

^^ What are you doing in the fat people's thread? It's like Princess Leia in Jabba the Huts' house.

^^ Originally posted by Castro: Peace agreements are great but this one is on very the low end of the feasibility scale. Wanting peace and criticizing the shortcomings of this "agreement" are not mutually exclusive either. This, as Xiin would call it, is a lowborn agreement. Cheer, if you must, for this agreement but don't stick your head in the sand when it comes to its glaring inadequacies. End Of Thread

^^ How cute. You have not mixed with smokers much, have you? If he did what you asked him to just do he'll only get stressed out and need another smoke.

^^ You are talking to Mujahid Kashafa there. Don't reason with him, saaxib. Either fight by his side or DUCK.

She probably firing trojans and virsus at his IP address. CL, Go do some work, woman.