I had a feeling about this girl the minute she walked into the joint. Damn I'm good.

Castro, Yes. Somaliland (like any other country in the world) does have the potential to implode. However, it will take 18 years of war and unrest for it to reach anything like what is taking place in Somalia. Plus, and here is the proof of the pudding, Somaliland has constantly displayed the ability to contain, restrain and control any instability or signs of unrest in the past 18 years. Paragon, Your hypothesis might have worked ten years ago. Today though, I doubt that most of the people of Somaliland (including those in Awdal) would bat an eyelid at an improvement or deterioration of the conditions in Somalia. What you and all the detractors fail to take into account is the actual strong feeling and separate reality that exist in Somaliland. Oh, you'll get the Baashis, Xiins and Castros telling you that these people live in a dream that can never be fulfilled, but it is as if they're scared to delve deeper into this idea of theirs (and probably yours). Don't be scared, boys. Come closer. Have a look around you. See that shouty Burcawi with his big budh, screaming his head off about defeated lots? See the young mujaahid singing the praises of the Shabab and almost offering to sacrifice himself for their cause? See easy-going yet (sometimes) pan-Somali supporting North? They're all being pulled in different directions by their beliefs, emotions or gut feelings yet they all also share one thing; the reality that IS Somaliland. To relegate that reality into something that amounts to nothing more than a temporary coat hanger is to misjudge (deliberately or otherwise) the strength of feelings in those parts. Originally posted by xiinfaniin: War dadkani may xishoodaan. Grievance bay ku leeyihiin. Who does not have grievances? The land between Merca and Gedo lost close to a quarter million of its people due Aydid’s systematic siege in early days of the Somali civil war. Just last year and half, Ethiopian tanks with America’s logistical support transformed entire neighborhoods in Xamar into rubbles! Yet you don’t hear those communities use these legitimate injustices to tear their country apart. Secessionism is nothing but a political tool for some northern groupings elites to attain power in the future Somali arrangement. Pity those who with all their education buy into this crap and think it can be realized… Don't be naive, saaxib. This is politics, anything is possible. Any 'educated' person would tell you that. As for the grievance issue. Let me tell you the story of AFC United (are you into football?). A few years ago, Manchester United Football Club was bought by some American tycoon. The loyal supporters of the club were against the idea and believed that this businessman did not understand the history, culture and shared heritage of this club. They contested the sale, tried to pressure the board into not selling and even attempted to organise a supporters' buyout of the club. They failed. A group of angry and bitter fans decided that they have lost the club they supported all of their lives and that, now that it is owned by an American, there was no point in supporting it anymore. They came upon the idea of setting up their very own football club. Of course, having to start from scratch meant they will have to play in the lower leagues and will neither have the money or the talented players to take them up to the level of their old club. Still, they persevered, advertised for players in the media and conducted trials (tests). Anyway, in time, they had themselves a team. It was a weak team of course. There were no huge funds, hardly any fans and the whole football community in England laughed at these petulant and bitter fans that had the audacity to create a whole football club just because they were angry. Still, FC United joined the lower leagues, played some games (won and lost some) and competed in cup competitions. As the years went by, it managed to make a name for itself and go up a couple of leagues. The fan base that, in the past, consisted of one man and his dog now is in the thousands and is triple that of any club the same size. The football community looks at the club as a legitimate club and nobody sneers at the petulant creators anymore. You see, the reasons for setting up that club don't matter anymore. It is HERE, it is attracting new fans everyday and the only way for it is UP. I do not want to comment on your idea that this is some sort of conspiracy by some Northern elites so that they'll get positions in a functioning Somalia. I think if you reflected a bit more on that you'll be ashamed of such slack reasoning.

^^ But LA was NOT beaten into submission, my dear. Don't get carried away with your niceness to Che by forfeiting that vital part of the argument.

^^ Especially marko 'woxo' female noqdo.

^^ War dumaashiday ii daa.

^^ I knew what you meant in the first place. Bal ha kaa sarto ps Notice how Ibti forgot all about what i wrote earlier? badow yaho

^^ Pssst. Our Chubacka here is female. (cidna ha u sheegin).

Your 'character' sounds like a busybody. Enough said. ps what does 'women aad rigaysatay' mean?

^^ I know and you know what aspect. Lets now make it public (even though we already did in a previous thread or two).

Ok. I'll let you off. Just make sure you don't switch to the kind of writing that inovlves letters and numbers. (No. Im not gong 2 mnd ma own biz).

^^ I was talking to Ibti there.

^^ You have not taste. Not taste at all. What country is this one from?

^^ She reminds me of you, dear.

North, You mess with me and I'll set Mr Kadim on you, saaxib. Remember, his supernatural powers will solve your problems even from distance by telepathy and extrasensory perception...

^^ Little do you know. I'm now with Mr Kadim, mate Mr Kadim is the solution for your problem solving, by serious and secrecy work. Quick and honest, I succeed where all others have failed. You will succeed your marriage, you will have passionate love story, and did you split: you lover will come back to you. Do you want to fall in love? Do you want somebody to fall in love with you? I can do it. I will protect your job; bring back luck into your life; you will succeed your exams and tests. Are you bewitched, I will relieve you. My supernatural powers will solve your problems even from distance by telepathy and extrasensory perception. From clairvoyants' line of descent, my work is serious and you will notice the results after a week. Working hours: everyday from 8.00 am to 9.00pm - speaks French & English

^^ It's the only thing I wear at home, mate. Been doing it since I was ten.

^^ You should not mock me. You don't know who I hang around with these days.

You mean I had the link. Done.

^^ I could supply you with five more. I just hope you don't have them already (though I doubt it). Over 30, right? What was the other criterion?

^^ It's July, saaxib. The smelly students are on their summer holidays and will not be logging on until early afternoon (at least).

Stuff and nonsense. ** walks away **

^^ Welcome Go to 'Mailbox'. Click on 'Edit Profile'. Put the URL of the picture you want to use. ps Why is someone from London writing in that vulgar North American way? FIX UP.

Originally posted by Lois Lane: Ng: the facts that you speak of are illusions. However it seems to be that if one criticise your illusion automatically his against it. One thing I will give sl is the ability to maintain peace. But can you prove that Awdal citizens are satisfied with this administration or at least that they want seperation from the rest of Somalia, can you come up with a census? I bet you cant, but if you will use that 97% vote all seperatist speak of then carry on with the illusion. I can't measure their satisfaction with this administration, Lois, these things change depending on events. But as for wanting separation from Somalia, I most definitely could. You have been going in circles there and dangling that red herring of 97% of the vote in my face for days now, my dear! You just can't help being obtuse with this simple issue. Fine. Here is how it works. Somaliland declared that it is seceding from the Republic of Somalia, right? Representatives of the people of Awdal took part in the conferences in 1991 and 1993 (with the 1993 one taking place in Borama of all places), right? You see, there is a popular argument about silence implying consent (and you can stick the 97% bird in there and all) but in the case of Awdal, this was not just silence this is ACTIVE participation. This is not an illusion as you keep trying to tell me, it is a fact, my dear. Now, unless you come back with some real evidence as to how the people of Awdal are against Somaliland I shall treat your empty words with the contempt they deserve. Xidigo, You're just confused, fellow citizen. When you calm down know that we shall be waiting for you with open arms. Baashi, You're a slippery eel, saaxib. Sometimes it is about the secession and how wrong it is. At other times it is about the people of SSC and their right to choose their own destiny! When the noose is tightened you resort to the H thing. Make your mind up, saaxib. Castro, I understand your position and am happy that, in time, you will return home. As for Red Sea, I'd rather he just went South and martyred himself on the steps of Villa Somalia. It's obvious that the man is a mujaahid from his head all the way to his fingertips. Ps JB is not here and I'm covering for him while he spends his annual leave in the beautiful beaches of Laas Qoray.

Originally posted by Baashi: quote:Originally posted by NGONGE: I too believe this agreement to be a pointless one... Why is it pointless? Because I don't think the following will ever happen: a. To request the United Nations, consistent with UN Security Council Resolution 1814 and within a period of one hundred and twenty (120) days, to authorize and deploy an international stabilization force from countries that are friends of Somalia excluding neighboring states;

Originally posted by Castro: quote:Dailogue and peace agreements, and not wars, should be the way forward for somalis, says I! Don't confuse the Djibouti farce with a peace agreement. Sowdiga noqday nin daad qaaday, saaxib. This agreement is beyond xumbo. It's a mirage awoowe. Warmoog just pointed that out. It seems that you're taking her critique personally. I told you this before and I'll tell it again, you can still be pro dialogue and peace agreements but Djibouti was a still born endeavor saaxib. P.S. Warmoog is not a warmonger, saaxib. Lest you were confused by the spelling. Could have fooled me. It was eloquently written but sadly very emotionally charged. She conveniently refuses to acknowledge the fact that this war is between Somalis themselves before being one between the 'mujahidin' and the Ethiopians! She blames the UN/US of ignoring some facts when she herself crashes on with her rant without being truthful in her analysis. I too believe this agreement to be a pointless one and seriously don't expect it to bear any worthwhile fruit but I find the sister's view as myopic as that of many of you here. Ruunta eso sheega for once, people. It always has been and forever shall remain 'reer hebel' against 'reer hebel'.