^^ War mala you didn't do a proper search.

^^ Ninkan ha o biqin, Juxa. Waa bahal socda and he is using most of his energy on useful things. Waxan o maleenaya, hadaanu Xiin ama aniga, adiga iyo dadkaan kale la murmin, ninkanu bari hore ayuu ONLF ku biiri laha. But you and I know that he will be hopeless with a gun (not out of fulaynimo of course). Ogoo uun, hadaad meelaha ku argto 'article' ka bilaamaya "Zenaawi is a Certified Military Quack", LST ayaa nus ka leh 'copy right-ka' (going by A&T's assertion that Xiin is an LST script).

Brilliant! Just like the case of the airplane in SL, there are not that many weapons found but the publicity is priceless. (Somebody is not happy with Imam Farole).

Van Persie and Walcott played well. The rest of the Arsenal players didn't really shine and they only won because Chelsea were not at the races. Drogba had no service, Cole's form has gone, Lampard looked like a lost child and Maluda should not have been on that pitch. The only two players who looked like they were trying to play were Terry and Kalu. Arsenal are, AGAIN, flattering to decieve and will (quite possibly) go and spoil it all by losing to Wigan tonight. Chelsea need a couple of wins to get them started again. Theirs is a problem of form not ability or age. United played rubbish last night and still drew with Boringham. Grrrrr! Spurs are also finding a way to win crap games (I'm starting to despise that team). Blackpool have 25 points!

Sayid*Somal;683355 wrote: ^^ :D War is dhiib ninyahow - haddii kale xawaashkaan kugu karbaashayaa I hereby issue a full and non-negotiable surrender. I do not do so out of cowardice or a belief that I can not win (again). I simply do it out of a sense of benevolence and love for a besieged brother. Maybe the English habit of rooting for the underdog has rubbed off on me but my Burcaawi ancestral blood has been boiling again at the sight of such a noble (but clumsy) Qardhaawi being surrounded on all sides by vultures and chancres. Now that your biggest foe is out of the battle, I am sure you can confidently handle all comers. Should you require any help fending off all these people or for any random searches, all you have to do is call.

Humming bird;683313 wrote: Dear forum dwellers, It would be interesting to hear your personal views about the question - How representative are views expressed in SOL of the wider opinion and views of Somalis everywhere considering that this forum has operated as a closed/ restricted forum for a long while and probably still does to some extent? Ignore all of the above. I believe that every word you see in this website is representative of those found in Somalia. In fact, I would go even further and suggest that "we" sometimes set the agenda for future views on Somalia. I say this with the clear knowledge (and understanding) that many of the members also moonlight as political analyists on many other Somali news portals. Of course, I am talking about "popular" views here and not government policy. But even on that front, I'm reliably informed that members of the various Somali governments are either active SOLERS or regular lurkers of this site. I would not be overly surprised if Imam Farole gives a press conference one of these days to counter some over the top charges made by our A&T.

^^ Xawaash intani ka badan? So kan ku leh Sayidka waa awoowgay oo gabaygaan ka dhaxlay (hada wuxuu o jeeda kii o xaday maha kan oo qoray). Eesh cala xawaash.

nuune, anigu waan jooga, saaxib. Is man lahayn ninkaan wuu soo noqonaya marka jabhada A&T ayaan ku biiray. Lakin hada waa inaan so noqdo oo xuduuda Qardho weeraro mar labaad.

Sayid*Somal;683222 wrote: Nagogow waxaad tahay nin nuukiliir lala dhacay, welise soo noole Waa naxariis Illahay, in aad weli ka nooshahay nabaradaydiiye Nasiibdaro darade maantaan neefta kugu celine Horta waxaad ogataa, aniga Sayidkuba in aan nasab iyo naf wada nahaye Niman laga gardaranyahay oo naaquudayaashii isugu habarwacdeen baan nahaye Adiguse waxaa tahay Nacasyahow, waa la wada yaqanaaye Afka-hooyo hodanka ah iyo Naafada tahay waa la wada yaqanaaye :D..i yara sug aan google search samiyaay.

There are currently 33 users browsing this thread. Xiin na waa la waayay.

Hunguri;682911 wrote: Assalamu Alaykum, Waxaanse, rabaa inaan Abtigiis iyo NG suaal waydiiyo. Suaashu waxa weeye, waar horta nimanyohow sidii Xabashidii maxaad dadka isugu tagtaan ? Maxaadse, isugu jiibisaan ? ( Kaftanku waa furanyahay ) ............. War maxa dhacay dee? Anigu camiraad moyaan wax kale miyaad igu argtay? Guurmaan Jihaad Xiin ku qaaday? Xaq sheeg, saaxib. A&T kaliga baa ciidan socda, uma baahna hiilis iyo mucaawanad. Ta labaad, anigu horaan sheegay inaanu aheen nin aad isku halayn kartid; wixi talo aan PM ku siiyaay waaka iga qaadan wayaay oo xabadiisa maca shinbiraha ag maraysay ayuu ku riday (ma caad ila adiga, Ayoub, Prom iyo Blessed). Lakin hada dhacaday, oo saaxiibkay dhinac walbaa laga haystaa, marka horta aan wax ka celiyo; hadawtaaan ka murmi doona his "unilaterla change of strategy". P.S. Anigu macrakad kale ayaan ku jiray, dagaalka halkan ka socdo wakhti o maan hayn. Lakin hada waan guulaystay oo ciidamadayda halkanaan o rari doona.

Lata liked Kabeer. But Kabeer was Muslim and she Hindu. Amit was a Bengali poet who liked Lata too but Lata wasn't sure she would want to marry the brother of her brother's wife. Man loved Saeeda Bai but that's a totally different story. Finally, Lata married Haresh Kahana, the shoemaker. He was her suitable boy (see Vickram Seth's novel by the same name). I hate reading such threads becuase I think writers of fiction do them much better. After all, "It Is a Truth Universally Acknowledged, That a Single Man in Possession of a Good Fortune, Must Be in Want of a Wife", according to Ms Austin in her P&P novel. Hardy, in his Far From The Madding Crowd, has a different outlook: "It appears that ordinary men take wives because possession is not possible without marriage, and that ordinary women accept husbands because marriage is not possible without possession". Your problem though was brilliantly covered by Tolstoy in his great masterpiece Anna Karenina: "The French fashion--of the parents arranging their children's future-was not accepted; it was condemned. The English fashion of the complete independence of girls was also not accepted, and not possible in Russian society. The Russian fashion of matchmaking by the officer of intermediate persons was for some reason considered disgraceful; it was ridiculed by everyone, and by the princess herself. But how girls were to be married, and how parents were to marry them, no one knew." So, in short, what I'm trying to tell you here is to go read a book and stop fretting.

Bashiir & weeping Ismalura are not better than Sayid (and Sayid at least copied the work of others). I would like to see either of you coming up with something of your own before you could put my efforts down (there you go Sayid, a way out).

Abtigiis;682615 wrote: It is troubling when the man we knew to stand his ground on defending traditional norms takes a route that denigrates all that his culture stands for. That a man who, even when banished out of his comfort area, used to make a surprising comeback, now looked for salvation from invoking abnormal sexual allusions augurs a bleak future for his sanity. The Xinn we knew used to attract attention even when saying really nothing. Who cannot visualize how he falsely clears the throat, shifts in his seat, cranes his neck, continuously adjusting his fading jacket affectively, all to trim into a figure of princely deportment from Mudug , even when he runs out of ideas?! :D Nin waalan baad tahay wallahi. I love the way you spoke about Xiin being a traditional man who does not veer away from the popular habits (which is a praise of sorts, though he may not have seen it that way) then go on paint an image of the traditional man's traditional way of dressing. I'm already picturing the fading jacket. :D

Not sure I'd call my picks peculiar, Paragon. But going by your choices, I reckon you will love the following: Doris Day rocks, man. Dean Martin: My Rifle, Pony & Me... Ella, Ella...ELLA...

^^ He paid a full and unretractable apology already. Your people accepted. Heh. AYOUB;682566 wrote: Ngonge *Blessed is has no place in here till A&T calms down. Nuune ugu yeedha Kiitaabka ha saare ileen aniga uu iga shakisanyahay! I know you loves the likes of Max and A&T making spectacles of themselves because you believe it somehow makes you a lesser eccentric fruit-cake in here. The sad thing is he thinks you're his "friend" and Xiin his enemy. Poor soul. Both myself and Xiin are his friends warya. Lakin this week he is on Xiin's case (and rightly so).

My Ayeeyo is going nowhere. Aniga o jooga ya Ayoub.

War go reply in that other thread.

Mr Somalia, I shall ignore the these last throwaway comments of yours, saaxib. It would be unfair not to allow you to wriggle a little. But I'm sure that my message was loud and clear.

Mr. Somalia;682460 wrote: ^ That's hilarious - you're actually trying to defend the digging up of the graveyards of these Somali people by comparing it to the commemoration of Sayid Cabdille Xassan's struggle? Sadly, I'm not as surprised as I wish I were, although, I honestly expected more from you Ngonge , than your average Hargaysa hokum. Your argument, of course, is an incredibly weak one - because the historical record clearly shows that the atrocities suffered by these folks, like all the rest of Somalis who suffered under that regime, was not unique to them alone. So try again. Also, tell us if as you say, these crimes have become an integral part of the "fabric of society" and are therefore unforgivable---tell us why it seems always that former officers of the very same regime that you say committed these atrocities always rise to the upper echelons of power in Hargaysa? I know you clearly understand where I am coming from but choose to play the fool here and carry on peddling your silly take on things. But I’ll bite, saaxib, I’ll bite. Most of those that find this thread tasteless are looking at things from the Somaliweyn point of view. To them, like it is to you above, it is unacceptable that one group should commemorate or remember its own dead. “We all lost loved ones” is their response. It is a good response, an acceptable response and one that makes sense IF the comparison did exist. But there really is no comparison here. SL is not part of Somaliweyn anymore (as any SL supporter will tell you) and does not view things along those lines.<O:p</O:p Nations are built on communal suffering and achievements. The Brits, French and Americans still commemorate WW II. They still talk about defeating a fascist tyrant and saving their worlds from subjugation. Both Serbs and Bosnians have memorials for the dead of the Balkan wars. Rwanda has memorial sites for its dead. South Africa (that Hunguri quoted above) has an apartheid museum. And let’s not mention the Jews and their holocaust sites. <O:pAll these stand as symbols of the past and defiant messages reminding those that experienced them that no such things should ever happen again. Yet, the Brits have good relations with Germany, the Tutsis live side by side with Hutus and the South Africans are all living as one happy nation. Somaliland is following the same formula and using its own memorials to remind itself that it should never again be controlled from Mogadishu. It is never a case of saying that the SL Cabdi that was unfairly executed in Hargeisa in the eighties is more worthy than a Somali Cabdi that had an AMISOM rocket fall on him in 2010. It is a totally different story, outlook and aim. Where you and I differ, Mr Somalia, is that you view all our dead as traitors who went against the government of the time and deserved to be killed. I understand your point and would even agree with it had I been in your shoes or were a Somaliweyn proponent. Fortunately, and to be extremely blunt, I won my war and I am in total control of my destiny. This is why I am free to commemorate the countless people who died in order for me to win my freedom and create my state. It is what free people do and it was what the old Somalia did when it got rid of colonialism. They are all commemorations of gigantic events in the histories of nations, adeer. <O:p As for the nonsense about former officers of the regime, that is neither here nor there. De Klerk was in the Mandela government. It is the nature of politics, saaxib. The one thing demanded is that they follow the script and oh how they all followed it! So if you oppose these commomorations, do so from a Somaliweyn angle and try to keep up with Jacaylbaro's aim when he posted this thread. Rise above the calaacal, adeer. Jb is not crying for dead people here. He's sending a much stronger message. Wax fahan.

^^ War yara sug dee. Labadan nin kaftankooda badan. Horta aan hubsano. By the way, just got a call from A&T (true story). He asked me to quote a line from the song he posted and explain it clearly before Xiin spots it. Naasaha dhaxdoodiyo, dooxii Hargeisiyo He says this refers to Naaso Hablood and is not as graphic as it may look. (A&T went to pray Jumca). :D

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Nugul;682437 wrote: Comparing the people who fought against colonialism with clan based insurgence with all their traitorousness is beyond belief. No Somali will accept that. That's not what I was comparing, dearest. Pay attention now and read my words again.

Hunguri;682429 wrote: First of All, may Allah rest in peace all of those lost their lives and loved ones. What amazes most, is the fact that a brutall, racist, regime who did every evil thing to the very citizens of South Africa who are the Black majority indeginouse of that countery have forgiven and forget what ever the whites did to them, simply to coexist in peace and harmony. What's wrong with Somali people ? Every one was part of the problem in some way or another. Xasuuqii Dawladu ka gaysaty Waqooyi, Gobollada Dhexe iyo Koonfur waxaa la mid ah dad Civilian ah oo Saf inta la galiyey Taayir la mariyey in the North it self. Waxaa la mid ahaa wixii ka dhacay meel walba oo Somali dagto. Markaa (Halaagii dhacay looma kala hadhin ). Waa laba mid uun: (A) In ninkii Ciil qabaa aarsado, oo intuu hadda duulo qof walbaa oo maamulkaa u shaqaynayay uu gacantiisa kaga ciil baxo. (B) Inuu wixii dhacay iska illaawo, iskana caffiyo Wanaaga iyo Ajjar-ka Aakhirona iska sugo, dadkaana u duceeyo. Laakiin, dad dhintay ayaan maalin walba laffahooda soo gurayaa ama sawiradooda SOL soo galinayaa, hadhawtana Qof walba oo wax ma garato ah ayaa ku daacsanaya, aniga waxay ila tahay ma waafaqsana sharafta Muslimiinta iyo Gobanimada Somalida. Arrinkaa Jacaylbro waaku khaldantahay.. Nabady Waan ku salaamay ya Hunguri. Lakin kolay waad ogtahay that I disagree with you here. South Africa had a period of reconciliation and the grievances were aired, saaxib. In Somalia, the fighting is still ongoing, the injustice still being committed and the people are still dying. The minute the bullets stop, every last man and woman will demand retribution for all the transgressions committed against him and his lot. Somaliland's case is different. It was built on these grievances and regardless of any reconciliation, they have become part of the fabric of society. Yes, it is Somali against Somali but no, it is not a case of let us go out and take revenge. It is similar to the former Somali Republic memorising the days of the Sayid, the Allies remembering WW2 dead or the Arabs talking about the 67 war. It's what countries are made off and it is one of the things SL uses to fortify its nationhood, saaxib. It is not and has never been a case of "our dead are better or more important than your dead".

xiinfaniin;682379 wrote: Great read indeed! The irony is had a unionist were to write this piece, our brothers would’ve protested simply because a unionist told the truth. It is good to see a white man tell them the futility of their bid. Ilaahow soo hanuuni I posted it because it was an interesting take on things not because I agreed with everything he said. More importantly, when a "unionist" says similar things he/she does so with their own agenda. Ninkaan cad wuu iska hadlayaay and it were interesting to see an "outsiders" view on things. P.S. Eating with his hands in Hargeisa was either a trick they played on him or the man was just too "white" to ask for a spoon.