^^ War ka dhix bax. These two make for interesting reading.

N.O.R.F;685407 wrote: ^Heh. All I see red herrings and you still sitting on the fence. Tell me Hollywood doesn't have an agenda with a stright face saxib. Stop being obtuse, saaxib. I can not tell you that because I don't know. You are the one making the accusation here. Bring your smoking gun.

N.O.R.F;685390 wrote: ^Ngonge doesn't need proof saxib. He needs to watch some movies. If he has been living in the miyi maybe. Conpiracy theory or not, the evidence is compelling. It would be good if the naysayers actually tried to refute it intead of giving us the predictable red herrings. The evidence can only be "compelling" if it were actual evidence. I think Prom already dealt with your stories there, saaxib. Shakki baa ku dilay.

Qandalawi;685356 wrote: NG you mistake me for someone else, I never mentioned 1988 thing, not even once waryaa.. go back re-read my posts. On the other hand you keep repeating that the whole point of SL in this disasterous issue was to highlight that Puntland recieved training and arms. And my answer to you is that you are all going wrong with this, Puntland's training was not hiden or nor the Saracen deal. In fact we posted more pictures and news reports about that training and Saracen deal in here than any other development made in Puntland. Dee sidaan kuu fasira, saaxib? Ok. Here goes. PL is getting money from an unidentified Muslim country to help it with the training and equipping of this "force". SL (your neighbours who you have a border dispute with) sees this as a threat (since there is a weapons embargo on all Somali areas). SL would like to have its own benefactors to supply it, train it and pay for the weapons and equipment. How will it do that when there is a weapons embargo? Aha! There is something in the sky, is it a bird? Is it a plane? It is a plane! Now SL created this negative publicity about PL's alleged breaking of the embargo (which might hopefully put a stop to PL's designs) and at the same time made the issue (of the breaking of the embargo) known to other friendly nations who might choose to wade in and offer their own help to SL. Furthermore, with this unknown "Muslim" nations understood to be an Arab one, SL, by creating all these clouds of dust, are trying to get good old Melez to twitch and stick his nose into proceedings. Imam Farole, once he took his eye of the football, finally realised this, which is why he's trying to create his own clouds of dust with this weak story of Al Shabab links. But you carry on paying attention to minor details of uniforms, courts and cargo planes adeer.

Qandalawi;685336 wrote: ^Loool that's more like it, the guru says it right finally. In NG's admission SL feels threatened loooooooooooool The topic says it all: Indeed the Cargo and Plane released So what the fuss was all about and how foolish of your Maxkamad to decide to the Keep the loot :D Bal intaa kasoo jawaaba War qof siyaasada wax ka yaqaan o yeedh aan u sheegay dee. Adigu waxaad ku hadlaysid maba garanaysid, saaxib. You kept going on about our minster who talked about the 1988 events for days then suddenly acted like you heard a great revelation when you saw my words about being threatend! Wax fahan dee. The story seems to have passed you by the wayside, saaxib.

Alpha Blondy;685311 wrote: Ngonge - saxib, please act your age. I promise to do so the minute you start acting your age too, Mr Green blood.

^^ When you have to explain the meaning of a word it only means that you just came across such a word, adeer. Next time, just drop it in there and let the people hurry to their dictionaries. Peace Action;685263 wrote: NG you you are trying too had to spin this fiasco but if it was in UK it may have worked but here in this tough neighborhood it doesn't stand a chance. If SL wanted to get the story alive, they could have done it without looking foolish (rekindling the tragic bombing of Hargaysa etc.) and indecisive. May be you can explain to me why the training of PL Marines to fight piracy is a problem for you and for SL govt (form your uncle's point of view)? Simple politics, saaxib. PL is training a force and getting weapons for it. PL wants LA from Somaliland. Therefore, SL views any military training, weapons gathering or outside assistance to PL as a threat to its security and must raise clouds of dust to stifle such schemes. You know it and I know it marka naga daa all this game of innocence.

^^ PL gained an edge but didn't keep it quite enough, adeer. Now it risks losing it all if does not tread carefully. But would Imam Farole tread carefully? Can he? Wakaa Atom ku waashay!

Abtigiis;684926 wrote: I am allergic to consipracy theories, to the extent I consider myself naive. Hollywood is doing business and produce what sells. But I also don't agree with Prometheus on this one; he is using false analogies. The matter at hand is about religion and politics not pure science and there is room for foul play. To say that there is room for foul play is not to present much of an argument, saaxib. Does this "room for foul play" mean that Holloywood has an agenda or does it not. Norf is saying it does. I am saying prove it. Simples (as the famous Meerkat says; then again, there is some brain washing going on there about Roman Abramovish and his toying with Chelsea....or something).

Kool_Kat;685212 wrote: NG, Faroole hadalkiisa miyaa sidaa uxiiseysaan? Bal aan aragno ceebta idinku dhacday haduu wax utaro hadalkiisa, saa meesha ceeb iyo nus baa idinka raacdee...Maanta gal, biri bax, waligey ma'arkin...Laakiin layaabi maayo meesha waa Soomaaliya... Dee meesho ciyaar maaha. Farole rasaas iyo hub ayaa la siiyaay. Miyaan fadheesana o iska dhawana? Sheekada oo dhan waxay tahay "anaga na hub hala na siiyo ama Imam Farole hala hor tago oo laga qaado hubkaan cusub". Now how could we achieve that? Aha! Is that a plane we see there asking for premssion to land?....

^^ The plane and Cargo did not matter one jot and you know it. Now listen to me so that you are able to prepare your reply when the time comes. I am telling you here and now that Imam Farole is going to talk about the plane, the cargo and SL. He can not help himself, adeer. The man is not really that good when it comes to politics. Wax fahan. P.S. I gave you the heads up, now don't go and spoil it. P.P.S Leave Roy out of this. I hate that man.

Sayid*Somal;684530 wrote: • Hanfi iyo hunguri soo dhiciyo, hinif Hargaysaa leh • Hanqadh iyo hillaac bililigliyo, halalac Muqdishaa leh • Cir habqamay xareed laga harqaday, Qardhaa leh • Xiin hawle iyo heega curan, hogol daruurreed Garowaa leh • Hir doogliyo caleen hamasha iyo, habatac Koonfur baa leh • Maal hooray ciir laga hanfaqay, Soomaali Galbeed baa leh • Caanaa had iyo jeera iyo heeshi, Laascanood baa leh • Qumba lala hagoogtiyo hilbiyo, hawl yar Miyi baa leh • Hayinnimo wax lagu qaato iyo, ku hinji Mudug baa leh • Habaqliyo harraad iyo kulayl hilin, Burco baa leh • Hadii hadowga geedood engego, horasho JQ iyo Qaloocan baa leh • Hagahagi hunguri duulayiyo hogo, tuuladii Abtigiis baa leh • Hadhac iyo qabow lala herjado, hadh iyo raxo Qardho baa leh • Hawo iyo hilow gacalo iyo, hurud nabdoon nawaaxiga Qardhaa leh • Hanfariir in loo kala ordiyo, hunuf dareen baa leh • Lugi waa higiishee himmiyo, halabsi Jigjigaa leh • Haad iyo haldhaa roori iyo, huguf Buhoodlaa leh • Gorgor samada heehaabi iyo, huguguf duushay Soomaaliland baa leh • Aar soo hingoodiyo bad iyo hugun, Kismaayaa leh • Habaas kacay halaakiga dhacsiga, halowna Bob baa leh • Haliilyaale aan dhiirran iyo haadiis fuley, Jacaylbaro baa leh • Hankakoobsi iyo booto iyo hoobsi, Ngonge baa leh • Hamham iyo humsiga reenka iyo higilla, Ayoub baa leh • Hannas weerar iyo qaylo iyo hirif, General Duke baa leh • Heeraa in laysula bixiyo heeggaan dirir, Mr Somaliyaa leh • Hirey iyo wirey maalintey iyo humuro joogtaba, Wyre baa leh • Haadaa qabiilnimo, Cowke oo lagu holeyn baa leh • Hawa beena Soomalidaa, hadafka raacdiyo Xiinfaniin baa leh • Hadal ruma Daraawiishta, Taleexi iyo weli hanuunaa leh • Ragga diinta hooyga u noqdiyo, hanad Shabaab baa leh • Hulqihii dad bari soo baxshiyo, hoogay TFG baa leh • Xaar laysku heylaamiyiyo halalac, AMISOM baa leh • Hammuunaan damayn iyo hunguriyo horor, Burcadbadeed baa leh • Hoobaaq laguu qodahayiyo hagar, Oodweynaa leh • Hundhur iyo caloolxumo, Xanji Xunduf baa leh • Hankuugyo uurgulguluc iyo hiijo qabo, AfricaOwn baa leh • Hoh iyo caku iyo hiif, Saalax iyo ninkii hawkar galay baa leh • Halaaka iyo laandeyr Prometheus iyo ninkii marin habaabaa leh • Hinji iyo habaar waaq, Nuune iyo jinkii huray ustaadkaa leh • Heeggaa in loo maro arlada, shekiqabayaasha SOL iyo habi la'aan baa leh • Hor Ilaah in loo jeedsadiyo haajir, Muslimiinta SOL baa leh • Haawiyada naareed, Johny B iyo ninkii Ferenji haystaa leh • Hab wanaagsan heensiyo fardiyo, haybad iyo luuli • Hodya deeqa hoo iyo waxsiin, hablaha SOL oo dhan baa leh, • Hannaan quruxsan haashaar gobeed, ina adeertay Koolkat baa leh • Horweynkiyo haleelada nirgaha, loo hitiqinaayo • Haamaha karuurkee la shuban, holaca jiilaalka • Heel xoola laga buuxiyiyo, hibana Eebbaa leh • Hal madow higgaad iyo Quraan, Ha iyo Wow reebban • Harannimiyo hooyaale gabay, heello iyo maanso • Nin kaleba naftiisa ha hafree, aniga iyo awoowgey baa u hoodo leh Anigu waan daalay and can not keep holding the fort on my own. In this post you seem to have mentioned lots of Nomads yet not of them seems to have the heroic Burcaawi blood of my ancestors to put you back in your place! Start a petition and send it to me, people. Aniga idin ka celin doona.

I'm loving the fact that now Imam Farole gave the green light, you're all starting to sing. President Siilaanyo is doing quite well. He won a democratic election only for Imam Farole to follow suit and start a process to follow the same blueprint. He showed his willingness to reconcile the warring Somalis only for Imam Farole to follow the same plan and talke about reconciliation in Garowe. He suggested that the SL coast guard needs international assistance only for Imam Farole to follow through and make a deal with a dodgy private company. War Imamkan Siilaanyo daba tukanaya salaada ka khaldan dee.

Abtigiis;685157 wrote: Mohamed Heebaan is telling the truth. It is what we say here but Ayoub and his ostrich-like mob want to deny. If and when genuine nationalists are allowed to campaign in Somaliland, some among the SNM clan will also vote for union. The secession dream is futile. Meanwhile, ONLF should also realise the struggle will reach nowhere with the name 'Oga.den' as its brand and the vision of 'Oga.enia' its final destination. We hope the ongoing restructuring of the Central Committee with more and more young people being included will kick-start a new direction in the struggle. That said, it is the case that whatever struggle happens in Somaligalbeed, the O' community will be the flag-bearers of it. Anyone who denies this is dreaming like the secessionists. You're right about the ONLF but (as ever) wrong about SL. Going by the everlasting argument that clan is everything, how do you explain Riyaale and Xaabsade (if nobody else)? This is politics, saaxib. Clan politics. Bahasha barta.

General Duke;685136 wrote: Not sure why you are so upset at this news. The secessionists have wrongly precived that their interest is with a continued mayhem in Southern Somalia and thus their support for Al Shabaab is quite logical. Who needs a smoking gun, we have the likes of Gaboose and others in the cabinet of old Siilanyu. Anyhow, you are sounding like the plane catchers adeer, come again. The "plane catchers" played a blinder, adeer. They put the spotlight on PL's abuse of the weapons ban and had a UN monitoring group to check out the uniforms and what not (how handy was that, eh?). Now Farole (after the football tournment did not help to distract attention) has resorted to bring out his bogey man (Atom). But even that is not a good move. Nassir is about to start praising SL again. Wax fahan.

Kool_Kat;685178 wrote: Labo waa mid: 1. Kii xakumay inuu marqaansanaa. 2. Wixii fasaxay hada iney marqaansanaayeen. PR the rear of my neighbour's dog dheh! Dhirta badan hala joojiyo meesha wadan ku sheeg dhan sumcadiisa baa kuxiranee!!! It worked my dear sodoh, it worked. Wakaa Imam Faroole statement bixiyaay. War le ma wadaynaa...

Abtigiis;685135 wrote: "our citizens" smacks of ownership. The word "our" shows possession, and it is true the SSC people are "your subjects" for now. Cheap shot, saaxib. I know and you know that you can do much better.

General Duke;685127 wrote: NGOONGE, we are deeply concerned with the ties that the secessionist ahve with Al Shabaab which is led by Godane & Afghani two Hargaysa residents. The defeat of Attam and the intel it has provided the state has uncovered many things. Yes I am willing to discuss this important news and your view point is most welcome. Dee badwonimada joojiya oo wax naga barta hadaba. You need a "smoking gun", saaxib. Farole should capture a couple of IDPs and accuse them of being ATOM (SL) workers who confessed (willingly of course) that he is in bed with SL and that there is a link with Al Shabab. Or at least stop a passanger plane on its way to SL and claim that some of the passangers are Al Shabab operatives who were on their way to SL. The stuff above is what the infamous Dr Osman (Lugle, etc) comes up with, siyaasad maaha adeer.

^^ War ka daa dee. Taleexi's position (as that of Saado Cali) is right and proper. It is how they feel at this point in time and it is not right to mock or argue with them. We should counter nonsense but never push our citizens away, warya. Viva SSC.

Heh. So much for ignoring things, Duke. Imam Farole finally spoke. Does this mean you are now going to discuss the news?

أَقـلِّـي الـلَّـوْمَ عـــاذِلَ والعِـتـابـا وقولـي إنْ أَصَبْـتُ، لـقـد أصـابـا أبَى لي ما مَضَى لي في تَميمٍ وفـي فَرْعَـيْ خُزَيْمَـةَ أنْ أُعـابـا أعَــــدَّ اللهُ لـلـشِّـعــراءَ مِــنِّـــي صَوَاعِـقَ يُخْضِعُـونَ لهـا الرِّقـابـا قَرَنْـتُ العَبْـدَ، عـبـدَ بـنـي نُمَـيْـرٍ مَــعَ القَيْنَـيـنِ إذْ غُلِـبَـا وخـابــا * لَبِئْـسَ الكَـسْـبُ تكسِـبُـهُ نمـيـرٍ إذا استَـأنَـوْكَ وانتـظَـرُوا الإيـابــا أَتَلْتَمِـسُ السِّبَـابَ بنـي نمـيـرٍ ؟ فـقــد وأبـيـهـمُ لاقـــوا سِـبَـابــا أنـا البـازي الـمُـدِلُّ عـلـى نمـيـرٍ أُتِحْـتُ مِـنَ السَّمـاءِ لهـا انصِبَابـا إذا عَـلِـقَــتْ مَـخـالِـبُـهُ بِــقِــرْنٍ، أصـابَ القلـبَ أو هَـتَـكَ الحِجَـابـا فـلا صَـلَّـى الإلــهُ عـلـى نمـيـر ولا سُقِـيَـتْ قُبُـورُهُـمُ السَّحـابـا ولـو وُزِنَــتْ حُـلُـومُ بـنـي نمـيـرٍ علـى الميـزانِ مـا وَزَنَــتْ ذُبَـابـا فَصَبْـراً يــا تُـيُـوسَ بـنـي نمـيـرٍ فــإنَّ الـحَـرْبَ مُـوْقِــدَةٌ شِـهَـابـا تَطُوْلُـكُـمُ حِـبــالُ بـنــي تَـمـيـمٍ ويَحْـمـي زَأْرُهــا أَجَـمــاً وغـابــا ألَـمْ نُعْتِـقْ نِسَـاءَ بـنـي نمـيـرٍ !! فــلا شُـكْــراً جَـزَيْــنَ ولا ثَـوَابــا فَغُـضَّ الطَّـرْفَ إنـكَ مِــنْ نمـيـرٍ فـــلا كَـعْـبـاً بَـلَـغْـتَ ولا كِــلابــا إذا غَضِـبَـتْ علـيـكَ بـنـو تـمـيـمٍ حَسِبْـتَ الـنـاسَ كُلَّـهُـمُ غِضَـابـا السنـا اكثـرُ الثّقـليــن رجـَـــلاً ببــطـنِ منـىً واعظمُــهُ قبابــا ومــا وجـد الملــوكُ اعــزّ مـنــّا واسرع من فـوارِسِنـا استــلابا لنـا البَطحـاءُ تُفْعِمُهـا السَّوَاقِـي وَلَـمْ يَـكُ سَيْـلُ أوْدِيَتـي شِعَـابـا ونحنُ الحاكـمــونَ علــى قُــلاخٍ كفينــا ذا الجريــرَةِ والمُصـابــــا حمَينـــا يَومَ ذي نَجَــبٍ حِمــانا وأحـرزنـــا الصّنائِــعَ والنِّـهابـــا فمـا أنتـم ؟! إذا عَدَلَـتْ قُرُومـي شَقَائِـقَـهـا، وهـافَـتَـتِ الـلُّـعَـابـا رَيـابِـيـلُ الــبــلادِ يَـخَـفْــنَ زَأْرِي وحَـيَّـةُ أرْيَـحَـاءَ لـــيَ اسْتَـجَـابـا سَتَعْلَـمُ مَـنْ أَعَـزُّ حِمَـىً بنَـجْـدٍ وأعْـظَـمُـنَـا بـغَــائِــرَةٍ هِـضَــابــا تَـرَكْـتُ مُجَاشِـعـاً وبـنـي نُمـيـرٍ كَـدَارِ الـسَّـوءِ أسـرَعَـتِ الخَـرَابـا إلـيـكَ، إلـيـكَ عَـبْـدَ بـنـي نمـيـرٍ ولَـمَّــا تَـقْـتَـدِحْ مِـنِّــي شِـهَـابـا

Peace Action;684962 wrote: Good move. The whole fiasco was unecessary and now all the secessionst in SOL including their guru NG in residence (until Oodwayene comes back) must tell us how to spin this. When you say "us" do you mean PL? Well, PL did not spin anything yet. They chose to remain silent about al this bad publicity, saaxib. Their hope is that the story will go away and die. But the story is not going away, is it? SL is milking it for all it's worth (marna they catch a plane, marna they have a court case iyo marna they release the crew). Waxan ku odhan laha, watch this space and see what the next news will be. The story has never been about uniforms, planes that landed in the wrong place or Russian crews. It is all about highlighting the fact that PL is training some troops. It is all about building up the publicity to an extent that it becomes too negative that it would force the powers that be to act or PL to make a mistake. What's more, it is reaping some results already; South Africa started twitching and caught those guys with their thirteen guns (and the bad publicity continues). Hear it from me now, saaxib. Imam Farole will speak about this story sooner or later. His type of "leader" can't help themselves.

^^ Gabay ha kaa quro miya? (You know A&T is right here).

It's the same story, Duke. I thought you were not interested. At any rate, I already gave you my opinion on this here: NGONGE;684145 wrote: ^^ I agree. I think a year in jail is too much, they were only pilots. But what about the South African story? War xishoodka jooji oo ila hadal dee. Now, tell me what PL is saying. Come on, don't run saaxib.

What do you mean by how do you read it? From right to left dee. The poem you just posted is saying (more or less) that Clan Is Everything. Here, let me try to do a quick translation... What's between me and the children of my father is different to that between me and teh children of my uncle For if they ate my meat, I'd save their meat And if they destroyed my glory, I'd build their glory And they're not quick to my rescue but if they called for me to rescue them I'd hurry to them And I don't hold old grudges towards them for leaders of people never hold grudges