No idea what others have said. But, obviously, the author of the thread has not seen the movie. Harry: You realize of course that we could never be friends. Sally: Why not? Harry: What I'm saying is — and this is not a come-on in any way, shape or form — is that men and women can't be friends because the sex part always gets in the way. Sally: That's not true. I have a number of men friends and there is no sex involved. Harry: No you don't. Sally: Yes I do. Harry: No you don't. Sally: Yes I do. Harry: You only think you do. Sally: You say I'm having sex with these men without my knowledge? Harry: No, what I'm saying is they all want to have sex with you. Sally: They do not. Harry: Do too. Sally: They do not. Harry: Do too. Sally: How do you know? Harry: Because no man can be friends with a woman that he finds attractive. He always wants to have sex with her. Sally: So you're saying that a man can be friends with a woman he finds unattractive? Harry: No, you pretty much want to nail 'em too. Sally: What if they don't want to have sex with you? Harry: Doesn't matter because the sex thing is already out there so the friendship is ultimately doomed and that is the end of the story. Sally: Well, I guess we're not going to be friends then. Harry: Guess not. Sally: That's too bad. You were the only person that I knew in New York. Harry: You know you just get to a certain point where you get tired of the whole thing. Sally: What "whole thing"? Harry: The whole life-of-a-single-guy thing. You meet someone, you have the safe lunch, you decide you like each other enough to move on to dinner. You go dancing, you do the white-man's over-bite, go back to her place, you have sex and the minute you're finished you know what goes through your mind? How long do I have to lie here and hold her before I can get up and go home. Is thirty seconds enough? Sally: That's what you're thinking? Is that true? Harry: Sure! All men think that. How long do you want to be held afterwards? All night, right? See there's your problem, somewhere between thirty seconds and all night is your problem. Sally: I don't have a problem! Harry: Yeah you do. Harry: Would you like to have dinner? ...Just friends. Sally: I thought you didn't believe men and women could be friends. Harry: When did I say that? Sally: On the ride to New York. Harry: No, no, no, no, I never said that... Yes, that's right, they can't be friends. Unless both of them are involved with other people, then they can... This is an amendment to the earlier rule. If the two people are in relationships, the pressure of possible involvement is lifted... That doesn't work either, because what happens then is, the person you're involved with can't understand why you need to be friends with the person you're just friends with. Like it means something is missing from the relationship and why do you have to go outside to get it? And when you say "No, no, no, no, it's not true, nothing is missing from the relationship," the person you're involved with then accuses you of being secretly attracted to the person you're just friends with, which you probably are. I mean, come on, who the hell are we kidding, let's face it. Which brings us back to the earlier rule before the amendment, which is men and women can't be friends. Jess: I don't understand this relationship. Harry: What do you mean? Jess: You enjoy being with her? Harry: Yeah. Jess: You find her attractive? Harry: Yeah. Jess: And you're not sleeping with her. Harry: No. Jess: You're afraid to let yourself be happy. Harry: Why can't you give me credit for this? This is a big thing for me. I never had a relationship with a woman that didn't involve sex. I feel like I'm growing. Harry: It's very freeing. I can say anything to her. Jess: Are you saying you can say things to her you can't say to me? Harry: Nah, it's just different. It's a whole new perspective. I get the woman's point of view on things. She tells me about the men she goes out with and I can talk to her about the women that I see. Jess: You tell her about other women. Harry: Yeah. Like the other night. I made love to this woman, and it was so incredible, I took her to a place that wasn't human, she actually meowed. Jess: You made a woman meow? Harry: Yeah. That's the point, I can say these things to her. And the great thing is, I don't have to lie because I'm not always thinking about how to get her into bed. I can just be myself. Jess: You made a woman meow? Harry: I think they have an OK time. Sally: How do you know? Harry: What do you mean how do I know? I know. Sally: Because they... Harry: Yes, because they... Sally: And how do you know that they really... Harry: What are you saying, that they fake orgasm? Sally: It's possible. Harry: Get outta here! Sally: Why? Most women at one time or another have faked it. Harry: Well they haven't faked it with me. Sally: How do you know? Harry: Because I know. Sally: Oh, right, that's right, I forgot, you're a man. Harry: What is that supposed to mean? Sally: Nothing. It's just that all men are sure it never happened to them and that most women at one time or another have done it so you do the math. Harry: You don't think that I could tell the difference? Sally: No. Harry: Get outta here. [sally begins to fake an orgasm] Harry: Are you OK? [sally continues very audibly, attracting the attention of nearly every customer in the cafe. Afterwards, she returns to eating her dessert] Older Woman Customer: [to waiter] I'll have what she's having.

^^ Not sure if I should be disappointed by your ignorance or impressed with your haste! Never mind that. Lets play it your way; I dare you to even attempt to trash 'my' idea here, Mr Erigavo! Car ban ku idhi. Carafaat;790951 wrote: Ngonge, do you know the Star Trek series? Star Trek aside from being a sci-fi series, is actually based on Sociological and Anthropological history but then extrapolated to the future. Describing how the human race evolved from its current state of destruction of nature, war, divisions, capitalism, disease and poverty and reached a stage of complete development on earth. Humans work together in common structure's towards a common goal, which is to discover the Universe and 'go where no men has gone before' and come in contact and engage with other life forms around the galaxy. In the Star Trek series human's come on contact with other humanoide races like the Vulcans, Romulans, Klingons, Talaxians, Borg and numerous others. The first contact with these other races at first is problematic and causes diffrent conflicts. because of the evolving and progressive character of the human race, they find ways of engagement, understanding and cooperation with the other races in our system. These diffrent races develop together a 'prime directive', a set of guiding principles and rules that are leading in contancts with other races and human life forms. For example that that life is sacred, there is no right or wrong in races culture and customs and should be respected, interverence with domestic issue's is forbidden, contact is conducted when one wishes to, etc. This eventually leading towards the founding of the United Federation of Stars and World. A governance body consisting of diffrent races and world who's main goal is peace, developmentand progress. And together. They continue to discover the galaxy. Star trek was first made in the 1960's many of the costums and techonologies that are displayed in the serie's were not even reality back then. Star Trek ispired to advancements like the Ipad, mobile phone, laptops, scanners, nano technology in medicine, sustainable energy and countless other technologies and advancements. My point. We need to inspire our people, to dream beyond the current, to expand horizon beyond the current, to show other ways, show them the opportunities and visualize a dream that can become reality. Go where no man has gone before? You don't half talk rubbish sometimes, saaxib. p.s. Guru, to get far in politics one needs support, a feasable idea and lots and lots of money. Do you know how much dahab costs these days?

^^ Clan is everything. But money helps to oil the wheels of diplomacy. You know and I know that Somali politicians (in all of the Horn) can be bought, as long as the 'cause' is a workable one. So I believe I can, with money, win the presidancy of SL but can't return SL to Somalia (for that, I'd need a small miracle).

^^ Yes, but the money does not come from the women 'back home', saaxib. If you and I get together and organise a party at the London Hilton to celebrate the creation of the Republic Of Burco, it's not adeero Xassan that will donate his qaat money to help us on our way, it'll be eedo Xaawo who'll give us her dahab.

ElPunto;790516 wrote: ^Muslim African countries and Turkey? Which apart from North Africca and Sudan/Somalia? Are they in West Africa like Mali, Niger etc? Yeah - Swahili is a good choice and easy to learn. Although there are dialect differences. They're targeting every Muslim country nowadays, saaxib. Turkey is trying to revive its old empire and I would not be surprised if they have not already got their tentecales into Mali and Niger (not that I mind them much).

^^ I give you the guru, Minti, JB and even Alpha but how did you know what Ayoub is?

^^Carafaat, it comes through TV and ends through TV, saaxib. I am 'brain storming' here of course. But, bear with me and follow this thought... In the Arab world, the biggest TV shows used to be made in Egypt and the moral compass of the Arab world was set by those TV shows. You watch a drama about a hardworking family with a couple of teenage kids that finished school but can’t get into university and can’t land a job. The son sits in his bedroom lamenting his bad luck and taking his frustrations on his downtrodden mother, the daughter chops onions in the kitchen and dreams of marrying a rich man that will sweep her away from all this misery. The next thing you know, the families that are watching this drama are identifying with these stories and repeating the phrases they heard in the show when talking about their own problems. “It’s the wretched government, ya Gamaal” “You’ll get your knight in shining armour, ya Salwa” “When my husband died in the war, I had nobody to help me with the babies” “With hard work and patience, everything can be fixed” The point here is that we don’t all come to life armed with the experience to deal with the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune (as the bard would say). We pick them up as we go along. But, mostly, we learn from the experiences of others. “Cabdo, bada ha isku tuurin. Ina hebel ayaa bari sidaa sameeyay oo waakan maanta kaluunka quraac o noqday” “Caashay, ha tahriibin. Ina hebel ayaa bari tahriibtay oo watan uur yeelatay marko hindigee kufsaday” "Barigaan qaxnay...." I watched those shows and you probably watched some in other languages. The power of the media to educate, manipulate and brainwash is immense. Even more importantly, and as you can see today in any Somali household you may happen to enter, it’s the wretched women that watch these shows. I hear now that Turkish shows are the in thing. So why not utilise such a medium for total propaganda purposes and brainwash the mad women into supporting your cause? Start with the basics and play it safe at first. Play the good against evil game. Highlight the things that most agree on (robbery being bad, charity being good). Target the problems that affect ordinary Somali women (absent husbands, unruly kids, foreign cultures, etc). Then, when they’re hooked and every woman (young and old) are talking about Carafaat’s brilliant show or the handsomeness of the lead actor, start subtly dropping in YOUR idea of the morally correct way to live. Mock, ridicule, sermonise and preach. Win them over and when it becomes the norm and your words (and ideas) become gospel, stand for the presidency. I jest of course but the message is very serious.

The way Muslim African countries are going, I reckon TURKISH is going to be the language of choice soon.

Maxa kaa galay is the first question to ask, Carafat! You're a confessed unionist.

Put on any Somali TV channel and what are the most repetitive things you see? Adverts? Of course but they’re neither here nor there. Music? Certainly but that’s just entertainment. Religious men? Now you’re talking. Those Mullahs have taken over the airwaves and, despite the problem of Al Shabab, are a thriving sector and an overflowing well that never ever dries. Still, if you pay attention and notice who these Mullahs talk to, you will find and realise the greatest asset and demographic that keeps Somalia going. Have you paid attention and do you know who I am talking about? I hear there is a problem in the state of Minnesota with Somali remittances being sent back home and that some of the money exchange companies have been having difficulty shifting their cash. I hear that the authorities are worried that some of that money might find its way to Al Shabab! I hear that 100 million dollars are sent to Somalia every year (from America alone). Never mind all of that. Let us talk about the London Conference and that meeting that took place in Chatham House recently. Did you know that someone was asking a question about FGM? Apparently it’s an issue important enough to be mentioned in a meeting that discusses the political problems of Somalia! I hear there are two demonstrations planned for the 22nd and 23rd of February to do with the London Conference on Somalia! There are lots of new states being erected in Somalia lately (Khaatumo, Awdal, Ras something or other, etc). What do all the things I mentioned above have in common? The obvious Carafaat reply is probably “Somalis”, but what kind of Somalis? Who phones the Mullahs on those TV channels? Who contributes the lion share of remittances sent back to Somalia? Who will be the biggest group taking part in the upcoming demos? Who attends all the western based parties announcing yet another phantom Somali state? In fact, even in Somalia/Somaliland, who comes out in the street demonstrating about the sacking of a minster, election of a president or the million and one grievances that Somalis always consider important enough for a demonstration? Somalia’s two competing forces are to be found on TV. Watch Universal, Carafat. People always say that Somalis are mad and I tend to agree with that argument. In fact, Al Shabab proved it with their madness. Hadaba, saaxib, waxaan ku waydiiyay: maxa ka waalan wadaad iyo qof dumar? p.s. Walaalkis, when I say an opportunity I usually try to make use of it. Though, like you say, I don't know if it's worth the effort.

^^ Clan is indeed everything but this one is not about clan (well not explicitly). Is your mind clear enough to hear it, o master troll?

^^ It were just a suggestion, saaxib. My actual solution for Somalia (or any Somali speaking people) has always been simple and falls along lines that the west would actually lap up with total glee. I am just not sure if I should share it in here for fear that I spoil my future chances should I choose (at any time in the future) to take the opportunity to form my own (yeah yeah ) political party. Ma kuu sheega? (lakin cidna ha o sheegin hada).

17 February 2012 Since the collapse of the Mohamed Siad Barre regime in 1991, Somalia has been without a state. This is despite numerous attempts on the part of the international community to reconstruct one. In his Sussex Development Lecture IDS fellow Professor David Leonard looked in more detail at the causes and consequences of this statelessness and the possible routes back to acceptable levels of security and stability for Somalia. Professor Leonard has written extensively on issues around governance in Somalia and has recently published a journal article on Somali piracy. Rebuilding from the bottom-up Somalia covers a huge area, is sparsely populated and encompasses a number of autonomous regions. Two of these regions, Puntland and Somaliland form 50% of the territory in Somalia. The governance structures that currently exist in Somalia reflect the pastoral livelihood systems of a population which is constantly on the move. Professor Leonard highlighted how governance is organised around dia-paying groups which are small groups made up of approximately 100 adult males. These groups provide security, protection and a degree of order. It is a relatively egalitarian system where nothing happens quickly because consensus is essential. Professor Leonard highlighted how understanding and building upon this social fabric was fundamental to reconstructing the Somali state. He argued that this was something that the international community had failed to grasp in previous attempts at reconstruction, which have been characterised by a top-down approach. Any successful initiatives at state building in Somalia have been achieved through a bottom-up approach and Professor Leonard used the example of Somaliland to demonstrate this point. The creation of Somaliland took place over a number of years and involved a protracted set of negotiations between representatives of different clans. Professor Leonard also proposed that a better understanding of the role that Islam plays in Somali societies is essential to developing a more successful approach to state building in Somalia. Islam provides a strong unifying force in Somalia, and previous attempts to unite Somalis around other forces such as nationalism, culture and language have failed. Commercial contracts in Somalia also tend to be enforced through Sharia courts. Islam and Islamic law are central to the way in which Somali societies are organised and have provided a degree of stability and security over the last twenty years. Recognition of this factor will be crucial to ensuring the success of future approaches to state reconstruction in the country. Professor Leonard also argued that using mechanisms such as UN Trust Funds to provide assistance to those authorities that have established order in their local areas, no matter how small those territories and incomplete their coverage might be, could prove very effective in rebuilding order and security in the former territory of Somalia. It would mean that local efforts to create good governance could be rewarded and become contagious. The piracy problem Professor Leonard was clear that there were no shortcuts to rebuilding the state in Somalia and that tackling the separate problems of piracy and terrorism presented particular challenges for Somalia and the international community. Piracy off the coast of Puntland provides a significant income stream which has replaced revenues lost from the fishing industry. That industry has been damaged as a result of EU nations using waters off the coast to dump toxic waste. Piracy also outperforms taxes as a revenue generator. Given the sums of money involved and the fact that leaders of piracy groups are often based in Nairobi or further afield, it is unlikely that a solution to the problem will come from within Puntland. Professor Leonard suggested that one possible answer to the piracy problem would be better coordination between NATO navies and commercial interests. The waters off Puntland are very heavily used by a large number of ships. Navies are only able to provide effective protection to ships if they are restricted to certain corridors. However there is currently no incentive for ships to stay within these particular corridors as insurance premiums cost less than the time and fuel expended to keep within specific ‘safe’ routes. Tackling terrorism Professor Leonard also concluded that there was no clear solution to the problem of terrorism. Kenya and Ethiopia both have an interest in the issue being resolved, however Professor Leonard argued that military action by either country was unlikely to be successful. He also suggested that the efficacy of American use of drones to attack terrorist camps was uncertain. While this method metes out short term punishment, it does not offer a more positive long term solution. He suggested that acknowledgment by the international community of Islamist systems of governance in Somalia may enhance their ability to negotiate with Al Shabaab. However Professor Leonard acknowledged that this was by no means a cast-iron solution to addressing what is a complex and ongoing challenge. http://www.ids.ac.uk/news/how-do-you-fix-a-problem-like-somalia --------------------------------------- It makes one wonder why all these professors don't suggest locating AMISOM forces along the PL coast and having the international navies based in the 'ports' from which the pirates usually launch their operations. Al Shabab might be a different story but piracy (surely) can be curtailed by this method!

^^ dee wuxu ma dagaal baa? Sawirka waan wada argnay; qaar baa wax ka sheegay, qaarna kuwaa ayaay wax ka sheegeen. Aakhira, sawirka uun ayuu ahaa waxa hadalka wada keenay (kaaga, kaygii iyo kii dadkan kale, even Blessed's 'shaqo la'aane'). Wax fahan.

^^ Honesty is to think a mugger is a despicable person. Naivety is to say it aloud as he searches your pockets whilst holding a gun to your chest. Something else altogether indeed.

Juxa;790413 wrote: You don't know how he picture ended up online. Whatever the girl did she does not deserve being the subject of discussion by thousands or being ridiculed by many How it ended online is neither here nor there. It is online and you are already commenting on it. The only difference is that your comments are not negative. Wax fahan.

^^ No it's not. Once it's out in the open and can be seen by all, a discussion of the subject becomes valid. At any rate, there is something about the hijab that makes me behave myself, even if the wearer is otherwise naked.

Abwaan;790040 wrote: This is good news....I wish I had the time to go and visit Somalia right now. Insha Allaah I will some time this year and I am looking forward to visit Istanbul again...great city... NGONGE? Adiga Daalo miyaad share ku leedahay...or are a Victor Bout's former business partner:)...Su'aalahaaga waa bateen saaxiib! I have no shares in any of the mentioned companies (yet) and my questions were from an economic point of view only. At any rate, when I asked them, I did not know of the Khartoum stop (Turkey has been investing heavily in Sudan). Airlines are not for fun, saaxib. They're there to make profit. Though in this case I suppose the 'profit' is a symbolic one, as I already mentioned. Wax fahan.

Gabbal;790320 wrote: Hogwash. The Telegraph itself sources a Somali website as the cause of the leak. The SomalilandSun, no less.

^^ You have been missing for months but the minute we have an airline topic you reappear? War bahaldaan kula shaqeeya maad 'somalia hagajiya' ku tidhaahdid dee. Welcome back.

^^ Ma dhali kartid, Malika. Ma fircoon baad dhali karta?

^^ No half term for us, miss.

^^ Remind me of my son asking his grandad "when are you going to die?" and the old man replying "after you".

Juxa, hada ma Jacaylbro, adiga iyo Sayid baa iga yar? dhibaatada way na wada haysa nooh.

^^ I got my ten stars from my fellow SOLERS before this place turned into troll city warya! What are you, an Ayoub script? http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/showthread.php/51314-Stars-reputations-and-questions-of-integrity