^^ Worse, worse. She's a teacher! :D Salaam all. p.s. Jacaylbaro, shiisha in Hargeisa? Officially in shops or just in houses warya?

^^ Adigu maxaad o diidaysa hado ku yedhi Ubax ba la i odhan jiray?

Juxa, You are right, it's a cold day and the sun didn't even come out.

^^ These are the high moments of supporting a football club. Bottle them up and keep them with you to ease the pain when we beat you on Saturday. :D

It's grey but certainly not cold. Will probably clear in the afternoon again (insha allah).

Wyre, wa caleekom al salaam wa raxmatu allah wa barakaato. Long time no see, saaxib. (salaam to the others too. Good morning so far?).

^^ History will only show that we won the cup. p.s. I wonder if Bob is now talking about how great Arsenal is!

^^ I went to th eone they did when he won the elections. Couldn't handle the noise and the number of annoying women filling over the place (I realised that I actually hate women now ). So, no, I didn't go.

Are the Somalis celebrating yet or are they still trying to work out if Siilaanyo's speech was real?

^^ I am speaking for the guru because he already told all of us what his worries were. Turns out, he was worrying for no reason at all. Expect a four page lecture on diplomacy, SL, the good old chaps at Downing Street and (probably) even Sheikh Sharif. War put your seatbelt on ban ku idhi. Taleexi, I agree and never doubted the goals of genuine Khatumites. My doubts (and wishes) have been known to you for a while though. Khaatumo's leaders need to play their cards right (and fast) if they don't want to be swallowed up by Somalia (TFG, PL, etc, etc) or, more likely, Somaliland.

Heh@LST..I bet you a video clip is also going to resurface in the coming days (you know how Somalis are fond of taking pictures & videos). But I like the idea that the FO are helping SL in "its delusion" by posting older speeches of president Siilaanyo.

Taleexi;794285 wrote: It is all like the glass is half-full or half empty scenario; who dictated by whom or visa verse it all depends one's preference method of comprehension. Agreed something has been cooked for the Somali peninsula and its implementation phase has started. I also partially agree with you what you laid up there but Somalia and "Somaliland" are two distinct entities in the eyes of the international community is quite an amusement if not the classical comedy of the day. In addition, with regards to Awdal, Khatumo, & Maakhir's destiny is getting clearer by the day. The great autonomous Somaliland State of Somalia only represents the triangle cities given that Somalis know it so does the international community. Any sane person would agree that Khatumo institutions are getting stronger by the day, political clout is ever expanding not to mention PR front. Above all, they are on the right side of the argument where they draw a line in the sand and proclaimed to have a self-rule, like anyone else in the peninsula to pursue their birthright, unalienable right to self-determination. All they want is just to be the masters of their destiny not more, no less what SL wants. Saying unionist admins in the north have no choice while you portray SL having a choice is a mere unjust, and unwarranted stand. Over 20 years of lies, SL is coming back to the fold is a reality to be reckoned with. Somaliland's long standing bravado over the years has been finally associated with its right price tag; A local admin within Somalia is. A word of advice, I usually charge my consultations but to the secessionists take this one as goodwill from me. If I were you I would've vacated the lands of Awdal, Maakhir and Khatumo and thereafter build bridges and restore the lost trust within the neighborly communities for future alliances if you guys care ... Balse horaa loo yiri : War shifo dheh, war iska daa lagala quusay'e ... I wish you all the best and I hope you guys recuperate soon from your protracted, grandiose delusional. Glass half full is even better than your way of reading things, saaxib. Khatumo may be stronger in your eyes but where does it stand in all of this? Who represents it in this roadmap and have they been aknowledged? I asked valid questions for you to answer, aniga iyo beenta ay SL ku jirta halkaan inuu daa and try to answer these questions. p.s. I will also not charge you but would advise you to think about these questions and where this whole thing leaves you.

Carafaat, I have not spoken to the guru but I would wager that he's a very happy man today. What he was worried about did not take place and SL did (and got) all that he expected (after all, he was shrewed enough not to expect recognition there and then). xiinfaniin;794280 wrote: Mario B, Lets not state facts. NGONGE and North understand the rules of the new game, they understand even Berbera port will be considered part of SOMALI ASSETS. They understand the significance of creating an entity that will manage funds for all Somalia where TFG or whatever replaces it will be sitting as a member representing Somalia. they understand the call for Somaliland to sit down with TFG, is not different than similar calls made by US, and UNIPOS to Puntland with respect to its relationship with TFG...it is a diplomatic way of inviting Somaliland to incorporate its views and political stances into the road map. They understand all of that, and this thread is a feel good post intended to lessen the apparent disappointment of the hard core separatists. I support NGONGE No we don't. SL and all it controls does not fall under this TFG nonesense, adeer. Don't go mixing your groups up now.

^^ I found Caano_Geel's "explanation" of the joke funnier. :D

^^ Xiin, only in your eyes did it do so. If anything, this conference has clearly shown that the world regards Somaliland as a different problem altogether. Now it's up to you and your fellow unionists to change your game and smooth the way for the invitable talks. If you carry on in the same vain, you are (and this is no crystal ball talk) never likely to see a united Somalia. p.s. Norf ku bilow for you thought he was wavering yesterday. Bal waakan jooga, iska sasab adeer.

Somalis today should feel quietly optimistic that their state might have a very good chance of returning. Somaliland may have not been coerced into going back into the Union but, in all other fronts, the signs look very promising. Of course, it is a convenient coincidence that as the London Conference approached, the TFG along with their AMISOM partners just happened to finally wrestle control of the capital city of Somalia and make inroads in many other areas. It is also a fantastic fluke that the city of Baidoa was “liberated” only mere hours before the conference was about to begin! Garowe 2, Khaatumo 2 and the UN resolutions regarding the increase of AMISOM troops (or the ban of charcoal) all also took place before the conference started. The point is that the world community has decided to finally FIX Somalia. They did so by creating this favourable atmosphere and making it look like things just happened! But things didn’t just happen. There is an obvious and clear plan here and, albeit with the benefit of hindsight, we can all see how it all panned out. Should this master plan follow the same pattern, I expect that we will see more “good news”, more improvements and more progress in the Somali political scene. I can’t predict (accurately) what Al Shabab will do, though I suppose that “hit & run” might become their motto. I also have no idea how the various Somali actors will play it out but, from hearing what Mrs Clinton was saying and reading the resolutions of the London Conference, I believe most of them will lay low and let things happen for a while. If you are a Somali from south Somalia, today should be regarded as a very good day for you and the future of your land (in fact, it is a good day for the entire horn). There is light at the end of the tunnel and though incompetent Sharif is the one holding the torch, the mechanics of post transition Somalia may mean that the next government might not have him as its head. It’s good news that Puntland, Ahlu El Sunta and the others have all decided to toe the line and follow this road map. It is also good news that whatever disputes, arguments or fallouts these groups will have from now on will be supervised and smoothed over by the rest of the world. In addition, and because such a large number of groups have agreed to unite and work towards a peaceful Somalia, we are unlikely to have a repeat of the Abdullahi Yusuf scenario of rejecting outside troops or making “treason” accusations. This time they’re all either patriots or sell-outs. The above should really be the focus of most southern Somalis. However, some unionist may find that they are left in limbo here and therefore SL and its role, position and stance in regards to all of this must also be mentioned. Well, when SL agreed to go to this meeting it demanded that it is viewed as different to the other Somali groups attending. The Brits, with an amazing show of diplomatic resourcefulness agreed to the demand and pulled off a very clever stunt in sitting the SL president apart from the rest, in inviting him to separate meetings with its officials and in the wording of the speeches and literature of the conference. They also allowed the SL president to give a speech in which he himself showed his own diplomatic suppleness and skill where he extended an olive branch to Somalia, offered to help it in its hour of need and told the westerners that nobody can feel its pain like the people of SL could. All along, he also reiterated the autonomous position of SL, its democratic credentials and its desire for international recognition. The final communiqué of the conference kept everyone happy again in its beautiful choice of words and non committal statement. I mean, who (on either side) can bristle at words that invite dialogue between Somalia and Somaliland to clarify their future positions? Those from Somalia are happy because SL has not been recognised and those from SL are happy because SL has not been hoodwinked. The only clear point that was made was the distinction between Somalia & Somaliland at this point in time. Alas, the only groups that might not feel comfortable with the conference or any of its resolutions are those that support a Maakhir, Khaatumo or Awdal state. Where does all of this leave them? Does it not mean that (for the Khaatumo group at least) they are back to the dilemma of being either part of PL or part of SL? Or will they join the roadmap (have they?) in their own right. But will PL allow it? Will the TFG help out? Will those that agreed the London Conference accept any additions? Some serious questions are to be answered in that front. Still, I say again, if you are a southern Somali (TFG and the other seven, as Hague called them) you should be really happy today.

Heh@Xaabsade's coats.

English, Xaaji X. Waliba mid kaaga ka fiican (I always picture you with a German accent for some reason).

^^ Oday ayaa xalayto i waydiiyay "adeer maxa shirka London ka so baxay?"..when I couldn't say anything about SL and I already mentioned the increase in AMISOM in Somalia..I said "dhuxusha la mamnoocay"..he thought I was joking! :D

^^ Warya, adiga Siciid iyo Xaaj X waa inaad heshiisaan. I always go to Siciid for SL government business. Adigu Mucaaridka ka sheekay and let Xaaji X give us all the PL news. (it was a very good speech).

Very good and measured speech. Guru, guru wherefore art thou guru?

Mukhtar has a point but he spoilt it all by the angry lecture he's giving there (red herring? generalisation? straw man?). In his eagrness to reply to Dr Ugaas, he managed to patronise all his readers and treat them like little kids. Talk about throwing out the baby with the bath water!

xiinfaniin;793876 wrote: ^^Very genuine response . Unfortunately your sijui response is the only response we can get for now. The guru has quit this site as he cannot bear the embarrassment of his little enclave not being acknowledged and not given a platform to explain thier nice little democracies and peace making experience (conveniently forgetting that Buuhoodle is burning..). Jacaylbaro is too deep in Somaliland politics to ever contribute meaningfully in this forum. ngonge is a very clever man, but he has been angry lately and Siilaanyo's trip to London i doubt will give him new strength to speak truth to the reality before him . xaaji xunjuf is an extension of Jacaylbaro, Suldan is good at empty bravado, and Ayyoub has been absent for a while and has a very limited input in SL opinion making. The scripts are many , but non is as articulate as my favorite script hermet. however , scripts dont opine. they have other functions to serve and fullfil. I would be utterly shocked if the guru, XX, Jb or even Norf had any problem with Siilaanyo's trip or performance in this conference. Somaliland did well and emerged better known, more confident and stronger for attending this meeting. What's impressive here is your obsession with Somaliland. I mean, at a time when the world got together and reaffirmed their intention to fix your country, you still obsess about Somaliland and what it gained or didn't? Limited miyaanaan ku odhan! As for the rest of those that got sidetracked by what, in the great scheme of things, should be a side issue I say go back and refocus on Somalia itself. Digest the good news that came out from the conference and prepare for the pitfalls and problems that may occur. If you're a true unionist, you will first focus on the broken parts of your nation and only later come back and talk about SL. But is there such a thing these days? Is there really? Naga daaya...

Mario B;794172 wrote: "Clarify future relation"...:cool: You can play all the semantics you want, but your current relation is Macaruf. P.s I'm dissapointed in you Ngonge, i expected to have this sort of debate with Freedom or Hermit! Bah. I sometimes like to mingle with the ordinary people and have a bit of banter, adeer. Ha o bixin. Though the play with words that you're having there matters. It sets two distinct sides (TFG/Somali government V Somaliland). Last week, the world did not recognise (at least openly) that such a distinction existed. This here (future, clarify or relations aside) sets a clear precedent and tells all sides (but mostly YOU) how things stand. The world is saying to you that they'll ban the charcoal, they'll increase the AMISOM numbers, they'll help with ending the transition but when it comes to SL they will only help in the dialogu to clarify future relations. Again, last week your argument was that the world does not recognise SL's case but today it is spelt out clearly to you and all the naysayers. The conference yesterday, allowed SL to be and focused on the problems of Somalia (south). It is time for all Somali unionists to change their tune, the old trick is not working.

^^ Read it again and pay particualr attention to the use of the words "clarify" and "relations".