Ciid Mubaarak to eveyone and may Allah accept our cibaada.

Ramadan Kariim and Eid mubarak to SOLers.

Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: Toti, I know you are one of the subjective moderates here, go ahead and excercise your ultimate power here! I don't see any criticsm of mine against anyone, but I tell you this, "don't attempt to intimidate others by using your despotic discretions". Expell me out if you like to resort some actions, but you can never silence me out of any wrong doings. And stop your unconstructive remarks, now. Perhaps, you are not the one that is being threaten here .

Alle Ubaahane, I am not implying that your remarks were meant to criticize the author rather than the argument. Honestly, I don’t see the need for taking that measure. To answer your question, don’t expect to get equal accommodation. I am confident that you are politically conscious in regard to current situation in North America. One of the best examples is Timothy McVeigh, a Protestant, whose cruel act claimed life of innocent people, though the magnitude was far lesser than that of the 9/11. Still, the man was guilty of killing many innocent people, including children, and everyone knew his action was motivated by his religious beliefs; Christianity. Yet, we didn't not see majority of American denouncing the rational or the purpose behind his act, that is to say religious dogmatism, nor had there been relentless media attack on the people who sympathized with him, namely christians. Please not that I am not insinuating that those who masterminded the event of 9/11 were Muslims. I am just using the two events as an example so as to show where we stand in the eyes of them.

It is one thing to question the intended purpose of this thread, but ridicule one’s style of writing is another. I suppose the wise thing to do would be; aske the person to rearticulate the initial thread, without resorting to personal attack. Perhaps, you should pen down your thoughts or view on the concept of freedom. After all there are two ways to approach what the author is attempting to explore, be it degree of freedom constituents have in terms of expressing their political view on what they think is detrimental to their wellbeing, or you could argue that freedom of speech is superficial, though US claims it to be fundamental to the fabric of its constitution as well as safeguards of democracy. The last question one would need to ask is: do the host countries (western countries, US in particular) extend equal freedom to muslims which make up a huge per centage of their population? It is interesting topic, indeed.

Lan balaayada rabo boodkaaga ul kasiibta shabeel shubakada soo joogsadey shabalaato aa looga tuura.

Aaah this what i call maahmahyo. Xanfar haddii jiro samsamaaniko haku wareegi. kastuumo kaa weyn jinkaa maahin. Xanjo buufis ilmaha ma u roono. Lama qaawan ma is xumbaarto . macalinka dhahaayo wa af ciyaal macno malaha reer koreey maloogu tala galin iney fahmaan, marka, taasi waa fikradaada xaq baana uleedahay inaad dhiibato.

Originally posted by Caaqil: Quantum Leap Much ado about nothing(anything) was a play by William Shakespeare. It was made into a movie. The somali version of this play is taking place in Doofarey, Nairobi where warlords are meeting to get a slice of NOTHING The somali version of this play is "AF WAA KOO MAAY LIKI AAME"

Actually it happened to close freind of mine and beleive me he had a happy ending. I am glad u moved on w life. What amazes me is that every Somali person I meet denounces tribalism and what it entails. Everyone condemns everything that is associated with qabiil. If you engage in moral or ethical issues such as this one (The clan stole my soul), almost everyone depicts him/herself as virtuous, righteous, ethical, and God-fearing person. We have multitude defense against being perceived as qabyaliste, and that we all claim to be “civilized†and deal with everyone on the basis of their personal character. "So brother, if this particular “Segsi†Xalimo didn’t have your back, dust yourself and try again…Never judge a whole tribe by one individual or incident." True! But tribe uses code of belief or doctrine that is inherited in their method of judging the other tribe or people for that matter.

Macallimuu says: "The enormous catastrophe of our national leadership have been due in part to us Somalis embracing the primitive clannish thought of our nomadic elders. They have implemented and brought into the government their antiquated policies of nomadism. Now, we have the illiterate warlords in a parliament who are good at policies of exclusion, extortion, distortion and confusion" I concur with you on that. However, I am inclined to believe that bad leadership is mere factor. Rather, the problme are mostly attributed to the people who are loyal to these so-called "leaders". The Leaders are the manifestation of the society they preside over. Hence, our impediments stemmed from our lack of substantive element that unites us together as a society which is capable of creating workable system. To put it differently problem lies by and large in nomadic mindset, which, as you said, appropriate violent behaviour as a form of solving political dispute. I must say that you are the first one who acknowledges otherwise what most people here fail to give a grater emphasis. Since I joined this forum, I have noticed that almost everyone places blames on lack of Leadership and warlords for our prolonged crisis while they support their respective leader (warlords). Alas, despite of that, they remain loyal to their so-called leaders. Then, should we hold responible the warlords or the people who blindly adhere to the clan politics?

Ilaahey ha u naxariisto, adigan sabar iyo iimaan haka siiyo. Indeed, it is our final destination and it awaits each and everyone of us.

I know it is a bit late Eid to wish everyone Eid Mubarak, though half of the Muslims in Toronto are celebratign Ied today. Depite of that i am still wishing to all Eid wanaagsan and may Allah make us those who gained big hasanaa from past month,ramadan. Ciid Wanaagsan to all muslims!

Eagles is the team to beat because of their all around game. Thir offence are not getting the respect they deserve. With Owen their mian receiver, McKnabb will prove wrong that red-neck-neocon talk show host, Rush Limbo. Salafi, good to know there is another Eagles fan. I have been fan since R. Caningham was thei first quater back.

Animals are the only species which cannot be held accountable for their actions, good or bad. Being ignorant of the rational behind taking the life of another human being will never exempt us from being accountable. Accountability is something that is inherent in human species; thus, there is reward for ramification of every action we take. One needs not to enroll institute f0 higher learning in the hope that one develops conscience (knowing deep in one’s heart that harming and killing another human being are affronts to human dignity). If we are to blame the actions of both men on their lack of conscience, then one would make the argument that all the other men and women, who engaged similar activities, are exonerated f their conduct Now, one must note that the implication is not that both men are wrong, or one of them is claiming the fight is just cause, though it could be one of them. It is the moral of the story which contradicts human essence—the right to preserve and protect one’ existence. I don’t see the reason why one fails to understand this simple concept. What astonished me is that they both practice the religion and make supplication to Allah whilst the same religion they are practicing warns them not to transgress the rules given by Allah. Who are they fighting against? May Allah remove the hatred from their hearts and bring peace b/n all Muslims.

Animals are the only species which cannot be held accountable for their actions, good or bad. Being ignorant of the rational behind taking the life of another human being will never exempt us from being accountable. Accountability is something that is inherent in human species; thus, there is reward for ramification of every action we take. One needs not to enroll institute f0 higher learning in the hope that one develops conscience (knowing deep in one’s heart that harming and killing another human being are affronts to human dignity). If we are to blame the actions of both men on their lack of conscience, then one would make the argument that all the other men and women, who engaged similar activities, are exonerated f their conduct Now, one must note that the implication is not that both men are wrong, or one of them is claiming the fight is just cause, though it could be one of them. It is the moral of the story which contradicts human essence—the right to preserve and protect one’ existence. I don’t see the reason why one fails to understand this simple concept. What astonished me is that they both practice the religion and make supplication to Allah whilst the same religion they are practicing warns them not to transgress the rules given by Allah. Who are they fighting against? May Allah remove the hatred from their hearts and bring peace b/n all Muslims.

Animals are the only species which cannot be held accountable for their actions, good or bad. Being ignorant of the rational behind taking the life of another human being will never exempt us from being accountable. Accountability is something that is inherent in human species; thus, there is reward for ramification of every action we take. One needs not to enroll institute f0 higher learning in the hope that one develops conscience (knowing deep in one’s heart that harming and killing another human being are affronts to human dignity). If we are to blame the actions of both men on their lack of conscience, then one would make the argument that all the other men and women, who engaged similar activities, are exonerated f their conduct Now, one must note that the implication is not that both men are wrong, or one of them is claiming the fight is just cause, though it could be one of them. It is the moral of the story which contradicts human essence—the right to preserve and protect one’ existence. I don’t see the reason why one fails to understand this simple concept. What astonished me is that they both practice the religion and make supplication to Allah whilst the same religion they are practicing warns them not to transgress the rules given by Allah. Who are they fighting against? May Allah remove the hatred from their hearts and bring peace b/n all Muslims.

Nobody who goes back and takes photos ever comes back to show a full and real image of the poor, the orphans, the drugged up, the lost, the dirt, the street dwellers, et al. Run! Where are the infrastructures i.e. hospitals, roads, transportations, schools and so on. i believe thse is trend which needs to be focused on.

Aysin, lamadun gee mal ka aragna, waana kafarahsana inta lakoo dheega. Ramadan Kariim ***EDITED BY MATKEY***

Ani afka maay la eraaw iya kodohowee iyo haan kale isin kodohowasan. Ani way kasawaye dadka barsho meela iyo kahelaayeen historiga kasabsan umada kale. Isin way imaleeye time-travel machine iya hasataan. Sababtoo eh, lan kasta walle meela hako qoree usugo inka fiirsane the degree of validity in his/her assertion. Wal badan oo asal in lahayna iyaa dheegi, hadana masqanteey masheenase ina dadke hala horseeda; sabatana way etaa, eeb iyaa iinagadaase inta ana ara reer hebaloow sidaa suubiya jireen. Haye hee quraafatke hala joojiyo. Tobiga luqad iya kasaab santa sidaas daradiyee reer hebalowka isin shegasan dhaafa. Waana inka xumateen, lan walaala iya aha. Aysinyaal salamantiin waana ilaahey hanigh gargaare kuligeen. Amiin Going back to the topic at hand, I have Dr. Noor’s dissertation/research about Somali history; but I don’t suppose it is permissible to post it on the internet. I gather the professor has good reason for limiting the accessibility o his dissertation to the libraries.

What we need to emphasis chiefly is the social fabrics, as oppose to a leadership. Let me divert from the discussion at hand in order to expound what I mean by social fabrics, with the intention of illustrating why peace and stability are beyond our reach. I have been preoccupied with questions, which many people (intellectual or otherwise) are disinclined to address them as some of the elements hindering the effort to build state. Do we address the real issue in Somalia? On what terms do we bring about stability? There is this presupposed rationalism that one group/clan has an aptitude to reverse the current situation; and hence, this predicament will continue to exist. There are other lines of reasoning which is equally detrimental to the making (I am reluctant to use the word remake) of Somali state, which meets the conditions or criteria of being a sovereign state. According to my understanding of the term “intellectâ€, one can be an intellectual and the same time fail to pass incontrovertible judgment, because of bereft of objectivity. What I mean by lack of objectivity is that the intellectual hail from their respective tribes, clans and sub-clans. Hence there exists an involuntary unfairness or bias in human judgment, albeit some can master how to constrain before this element of qabiil surface. I am using the term judgment very loosely in order to delineate that cultural background can have a profound impact upon the way in which any given society perceives or views the outside world. Am I insinuating that Somalia consist of people with different historical and cultural background? I suppose my take on this one does not change the present situation. Am I pessimistic about our future? Yes! Is there any hope left for us? Yes. Because, we believe in Allah! n retrospectively, I am still endeavoring to accept the view that intellectuals can bring about peace and stability, without reshaping our social and political thinking. I used to think that lack of leadership was what conditioned us into this chronic disorder. However, I have been gradually withdrawing from the notion that a good leadership is what Somalia lacks, and I have came to the conclusion that it is the edifice of our society which poses peril to political process. I am not dismissing the fact that leadership is one of the main components, but it is equally imperative, if not the most critical, to examine our process of thinking and as well as perception of other Somalis. I can not help noticing the discrepancies contained most of the political debate engaged by the Somali intellectuals or commoners. In any case I will remain pessimistic so long as our narrow and biased view continues to overshadow the moral training required to create society, which is capable of understanding the concept of state/nationhood. This is my two cents. Salaama

Mutakalim Your advice is well appreciated. But mind you that I was being unpretentious in previous post when I referred my sources to philosophy book for dummies. Though I invested time in different realm, it was mandatory to take at least two or three philosophy courses for my major (I.R) with hope that student may become familiar with the concepts or history of philosophy, and as well as theoretical framework put forward by different philosophers. The central aims of these courses were to provide general view or knowledge of political philosophy. During my undergrad, I was exposed to the writing of not many, but well received and respected by present day international actors, western governments being by far the one that attribute their system of governance to J. J. Rousseau, Thomas Hobbes and N. Machiavelli. In term of the branch that investigates metaphysical world, I am yet to take that journey. On serious note, I will take look at History and Problem of Philosophy. Sophist Says: "you would be far suited with Problems of Philosophy by Mr B Russell. It is a good introduction to western Philosophy." Sxb, waxaan iska rabay in mararka qaarkood an iska dhigo qof Qatar ah. Sababtoo ah adiga iyo Mutakalim baa nagufuray jabtaro aan wax ka aqoon. Sidaas darateed baa qiiro iqqdey, oon is iri Ally ilehe bal raga wax laqaybso. Sophist, ma maqashey qisadii dhexmartey labada nin ee shaqada udoontey warshada? Midka mid ah labada nin baa wax lagawaraystey biraha ay warshadu ku shaqayso. Waxa uu ku jawaabey: wax kast waan daadshey, meaning he know everything that is to it. Ninkii labad ee shaqada doonayey ayaa lawaraystet su'aal lamid ah. Waxuu ku jawaabay: Lankun wala usu deediyey anina aruuriyee. Marka widaayow aruuriye walaagi ha deediseen inkastoo cilmishee ani inkasanin. :cool: Widaay mahatanta for the book!

I have been following this discussion from its inception. It is unfortunate see that there is no one single documentation or historical fact, which supports the authenticity of shia doctrine advanced by its followers. Wallaahi, I have been anticipating to read at least a single historical evidence, be that some known scholars, ahadiiths of Shia doctrine advance by its advocate as counterpoint to that of the poster. Instead, people started accusing other for some……. Ilaahey hanoo gar gaaro

Much of the learning accomplished by human mind or intelligence is based upon sense-experience. Mind or intelligence stands for faculties or power employed in learning from experience and in modifying behaviors in consequence of such learning. In other words all of our adjustments to environment must be learned through experience. Is the human mind single cognitive power that involves the functioning of senses—memory and imagination; or can human mind be divided into two distinct cognitive powers—sense and intellect? Here I refer intellect to the instrument by which human species apprehend the intelligible object. The question provides irreconcilable alternatives. Firs alternative is what you have postulated in your previous post, that is, the human mind as one single cognitive power. It is my conjecture that a man of your caliber comprehends the consequence of limiting human mind to senses. Needles to say the proponent of this view (Berkeley, Hobbes, Hume and Lock) deny intellect as being one of the instruments by which humans understand, judge and reason intelligible objects. It is equally imperative to note that there are other objects of our conceptual thought, liberty, justice, virtue, and metaphysical objects apprehend by human intellect. Denying presence of intellect is tantamount to equating or reducing the human mind to that of the infra-human organism. What this statement means is that there is no such thing as rational being. Furthermore, the serious consequence follow from denying the intellect is that we differ from the animal in degree; and therefore, humans and animal share for the most part similar traits, that is performed pattern of behaviors. Darwin’s rejection of the status of human species, for example, became an enterprise for challenging the traditional view advanced by Plato and Aristotle, which had been predominate from antiquity to seventeenth century. Plato and Aristotle advance the view that human as rational species differ radically in kind. Darwin, in his effort to refute thier view, did not hesitate to draw the conclusion that we [human species] evolved from the apes or chimpanzee.. According to Dler, this view of the mind, taken without qualification by Hobbes, Hume and Berkeley can be stated simply as follows: the mind is sensitive faculty, without any trace of intellectuality about it. Though these British philosophers, according to what I have gathered from the readings, don’t accept the scientific theory of evolution, their view of human mind as one cognitive power is tantamount to accept the view that human mind as constituted by sense and imagination. The advocate of this view go too far in asserting the mind as being bereft of intellect. One can easily ascertain (of course with help of philosophy for dummies found in Chapters) the similarity between Hobbes, Hume and Darwin with regard to human mind. I shall leave it here before i run out the little i gained from these books for dummies Fi amana Allah

Rudy, MABRUUK. Indeed this is a very good step.

I do remember some of the names from one of my elective courses, Land of the Pharaohs. But many argued that those Dynasties were not black Africans, but were Egyptians who were niether Arabs or Africans. The one i can remember right now is Scorpion King whose feartures was admittedly mentioned in history books, that he was black king. Was the Ramses II the one died in black sea while pursuing prophet Musa (as)? I asked my proffesor this question beacuse the time period of his reign coincides with that of Musa (as). i will continue insha Allah wa alykum asalaam