Zack, I am from a different country- UK, and it will remain so until something credible meesha la keeno. Can't make up my mind about Mr. cheese, sometimes he seems okay, even good other times he just melts into the crowed. In any case there is nothing strikingly different to set him apart against the crowed that is somali politics.

Zack I dont know enough about the PM and cabinet to term them as honest and reliable. Idinku ma isku qol ayaad tihiin

Key word being a country- Somalia is not a country; and Somaliland is not a marginalized repressed secessionist group within a functioning society- it is an entity on its own. So that is really besides the point Secondly the flag represented an aspiration to unit all Somalis, an aspiration which has not materialized and remains in a ideal. An ideal which southerns aey daadka kale ka xiigin, particularly northerners. They are all refugees in the states, it is meaningless to fight over an ideal that has left the building a long time ago. And it is not in the spirit of June 26, they could've of course just said this is a southerners party and kept it clan based if they are offended by other Somalis.

Somalis just need to get rid of all the self interested farah's and marginalize them. Give power to normal people or rich Somalis who have no interest in grabbing dosh for their pockets. Imankii ba ka teegey!

^So what, they are all adults deal with it, the flag wont eat people, but if celebrations for June 26, no one can tell another somali you can't celebrate. I particularly northern feel a specific attachment to and they should. Political ideology has moved people in different directions, we have to be able to tolerate each other, otherwise each person locks itself with only people who agree with them. As somalis we are allergic to others who have a different view and always feel the need to beat them into submission, it is what got us in this mess in the first place. In any case Che, this looks like a community event, far southerners are known for their hospitality, wa maxey nikaa policika loo wacey!! :eek: :eek:

I meant considering Al shababs retreat, we were expecting or at least hopeful of improvements. Didn't know they were son-in-laws; is there no legislation banning relatives holding such key positions- miis as long as they are different clans it is okay. Mr. Razor emerged out of no where recently to throw a spanner into it all for his own ego.

^^That is the point- they didn't go to the states, they went to Europe or the Arab states- which of course lagag daab yimi, so in all honest wa minority in all cities except for Sheffield, Liverpool & Cardiff which is a mini Burco and Hargeisa. Even London is now majority populated by other Somalis.

No, I meant it is not an northerner strong hold if the migration patterns are considered. ^

Somali politics moves ridiculously fast- in the wrong directions. Didn't check the news or sites yesterday and today, just yaabing at the developments. So much for an improvement.

So, was it; 1) A clan party 2) A political ideology party 3) A Somali Independence party He had no right to attend if the answer was 1 or 2, but every right to attend if the answer is 3, in saying that, it does not mean that HE SHOULD attend. After all there is a difference between having the right and practicing that right. I dont approve of every clan holding their own party, it is nice to see someone other than your own relatives once in a while, even if it is just to say hello. P.s.s. Xiin, your xafaad is hardly known for having a significant SL nationals, perhaps that explains why you are not confronted with SL ideas on the regular. It would be strange if there was a group of southerners spreading the political ideology of SL nooh?

May Allah have mercy on the dead and facilitate a solution of those living!

LOOOOL @ who was holding back crowds! You guys are acting like this guy is the president of US or something. What is the big deal if he walks around-

Valenteenah.;727062 wrote: Ibti, I'm not sure I got all of your post but I think the gist is that you think SSC are employing outdated tactics that have already failed elsewhere? If that's it, then you might well be right. We do all seem to be going round in circles, don't we? It's a little bit surreal actually - you look at everything that's happening and you get this sense of deja vu and wonder how it is the people who are in the thick of it all don't feel or see this themselves. I kinda feel like that about SL's actions over the last few years. Isn't it slightly strange that the whole objective and purpose behind SL seeking independence is that the last Somali regime tried to subdue people who were unhappy with the status quo by force? And yet here is SL today, twenty years later, on the verge of repeating the same mistake that set them on their current path. It's an odd twisted world for sure. I might be a bit of a hippy (as NG always accuses) but I really don't understand why we (as in our politicians) can't attempt to solve issues through positive dialogue. That is it pretty much, same thing thing, same cycle, same story, later it will be the same grievances which will lead to the same campaigns, results in the same jabhad [different clan of course], taking the same action and on and on. It is never going to solve our problems, you cannot solve problems by repeating your previous mistakes! Bit like SOL cycle I guess. Anyway all the kids ba yimi, ana ka xoog weyne iyo I will crash you ba meeshaba ka socota :eek: SalamAlikum

Faheema road rageka iska daa!!

^^looool^^^Indinka laftiinu waxabad doonysa eh weyda caadisan uun. :D the content was a stranger offering you a lift- Warbaan ka suugey- any luck? the other one keeps calling me.

Somalilander is not an ethnicity. In any case I agree with stoic;- plus he probably does even identify himself as Somalilander- you are all walandos to him- SL somalis included Good luck to him!

:cool: Taleexi as usual, like a wraparound baad waada- yad yad yad ya it is none of your business yad yad yad ya, Puntiland is my brother yad yad ya baad stuck ku tahey. :cool: Really waxaad raabtan just cheerleaders and empty jiibs, so reer SSC ha isu jiibs in peace and we shall observe and see where it gets your cause. Ninki diman waya wuu jooga. Enjoy people.

^The Zack are you trying to kill her!!! :eek: that was lucky escape. Men always want something, there is no such thing as a free meal or a free ride or anything free for that matter- dont accept it unless you intend to give them something in return. A best you would end up getting yourself a reputation, at worse you could get hurt. Oh Salamalikum people.

^^Well done and I hope your get it! Tawakal calcalah and iska seexo Hey juxa

Looool@ hayee hayee- thats nuts, you probably agreed to marry an old man for 50 goats!! CL yeah I know, found using the bushes easier than that squatting hole they have in some of the villages. I stayed in the miyi for 1month. Malika :D it is not so bad, aside from all the shouting and jikaar, and endless discussions about every small tiny little thing!!!!!

Loool @ CL, truth be told I don't really go to the hip and happening places [once in a blue moon], its normally full of foreigners and the rich locals. In any case I was in the miyi chasing goats when you was in town. How did you find it? Learn new somali

SalamAlikum people. Howdy CL, did I hear you was in the motherland not so long ago- well my motherland that is

Valenteenah.;726575 wrote: The issue with Puntland is internal and localised to the current administration. I'm not sure why it's being equated with Somaliland in this regard. The only issue SSC has with the PL admin is their lack of decisive action on LA. This lack of interest and action is what woke up the community and created the current SSC movement. Any analyst worth his or her salt would have been able to predict what would happen when the dual actions of SL (invading a region that doesn't have any interest in seceding ) and PL (stepping back even though they're the political representation for the region) were put together:- i.e. a new political and military group would pop up. This is after all Somalia and no region would ever settle for or accept expansion from another region, clan or political entity. This I agree with, in so far as the response of SSC [both nomads here and the leaders] is concerned the outburst and out cry is a bit late[PL has not cared about SSC for a while and reaction it is an exaggeration i.e. they are not killing you] In terms of leadership and divisions - so much is being made about the SSC when it comes to these two things. SSC leadership, I would think, wouldn't be that different from other leaders in Somalia today. Somaliland, Puntland and TFG leaders are hardly trailblazers themselves. Corrupt, ineffectual and lacking anything resembling charisma - that's our general leadership today. And yet no one is pointing the finger at any of you and expecting you to do something tangible about Silaanyo and his cabinet's greed or Faroole and his multitude of mistakes. So why should the likes of Taleex be expected to give a dressing down to traditional or, for that matter, self-appointed 'leaders' in SSC? It's a bit silly, isn't it? Val I am not relying on Silaanyo to win me a war of survival right now, [i'm not really aware of the said cabinet greed in any case], he is not leading a resistant group and I already gave the example of IF he turned around now and decided to join PL or even Somalia, his own sub sub sub clan will burn him alive forget the rest of the community, you will not find a single sole making an excuse for him, let alone defending him on a forum. It would be the ultimate betrayal right? People in tall buildings and their daily life not threaten, in safety will not push/ shake the balance for a few [or many] mistakes Faroolo made or Silaanyo because their daily life and bread is secured. How you can then compare this to a group of people saying: "we are occupied, treated like slaves, ethnic cleansing etc but I will leave my survival up to others who I know are little corrupt, maybe a little bad, maybe bad management to change my situation, after all everyone else is backing their own corrupt set of leaders. WHAT? Now, I don't believe many, if any, SSC supporters on SOL would agree with or support Xaglatoosiye or the khusuusi if they failed to do their job. I certainly wouldn't. They deserve constructive criticism as leaders - something we don't often see in regional politics. As for the garaads, well they deserve our respect and reverence but, as far as I'm concerned, they shouldn't have a place in politics unless they get elected for a particular position. It's this confusion between the traditional and the chosen leaders that SL has been exploiting but I don't think they will be able to keep it up. Next are those other 'leaders' that keep popping up - you know, the injineers, the doctores, the gaashaanles and the siyaasiyiin who invariably speak for the whole community by virtue of clan - well I can't make head nor tail of those. No idea what can be done about them except to let them seek nurture from wherever suits them. Lastly Xaabsade, the ace-card of every SSC critic, koley waxay ilatahay inuu odaygaasi heli doono wuxuu soo shaqaystay. Amen to that, the ultimate question is who has the ultimate powers? The elders or the politicians. While this confusion exists in other somali groups, there is a hierarchy for all issues where one overrules the other. Of course this structure is only possible in a semi formal system, so not sure if it can benefit SSC. SSC is finally awake, wey tashatay, weyna ogtahay the obstacles hor yaala. For those of us out here and back at home who have a stake in the future of this region, this much is clear: - What we do know: Is that Xaglatoosiye and the Khusuusi were chosen as leaders of the SSC by consensus. - What we can do: Is wait and see if they do a good job and hold them accountable and replace them if they don't. Time is a teller of every tale, maybe it is still that time period where they are awake but still sleepy. - What we can't do: is be responsible or accountable for any random man or woman who wants an income from whatever source they can larch onto. Even if SSC has previously used the same random people as their leaders and parade them around as their spokes people? I am specifically referring to the guys in SL NOW who 2 months ago were leading a fraction of the SSC army and were on every radio and newspaper, tomorrow when they decide they are with the SSC cause AGAIN [and they will] how can SSC again give them positions and parade them around as their new [insert position] yet say we are not accountable for these people? Hey Ibti, how goes? I see what you're trying to say but you need not be so concerned with the SSC campaign - after all it only begun less than two years ago and they've already dealt several embarrassing blows to SL, even in their 'confused' state. SSC cannot have it both ways my dear [i.e. we want attention for what is going on therefore we will fabricate stories, claim genocide, attack business people, but yet when we [none SSC] comment the sheeko is you are the wrong clan so don't be so concerned with SSC]. Does SSC live in a vacuum, where ONLY "they" as the supposed current victim can bunch people together as guilty by clan association and iska daladace landing on different, unsuspecting, uninvolved sub clans simply by them being a default *isa*aq. After all is this not one of the major complaints and claims against the SNM movement, must every new jabhad make the same mistakes? So, yes it is in my interest for SSC to focus their campaigns and conduct it without isku so dac on our part. Secondly SSC is not a 2year campaign, it has resurfaced on and off for the 20years SL has been active, that is a long time. And like any somali politics SSC has been recycling the same old shirts who have been speaking in different tongues and blowing with the wind. It looks like it is not going away and the cycle will continue, so we shall all wait and see together [if we live long enough] where this lands. That is still not to say that a short well planned campaign would've been better for us all. Imagine if they were actually more organised, unified and better funded? Cidiba islama hadli lahayn soo maaha? Indeed imagine, of course we can all dream, since we are dreaming; Imagine if Somalia started functioning, raised an army in the south and started a big push in conjunction with the new jabhad of the North (SSC)- it would be history repeating itself- only this time it would be to build a nation rather than getting rid of a dictator. :cool: Khadar; Indeed never mind Ibti, what is Khadar promoting? is it not clan survival?? is SSC based on something other than clan? I did not think so; :cool: In general, the Somali saying beentaad hoor runtaad dambi aye wax yeesha.

Archdemos thank you :) Fab stuff!

:D :D last 'man' standing baa ka dacdey! SalamAlikum people.