^^There is no copy right in Somali Music women!! Hey AAliya How you doing. I swear you posted this before But an old man was singing it at a shop. I don't think he praising us, he is making them sound like little dolls. ;d P.s. Such bad recording, they made him look Ciilin- unless he is of course, in which case, still bad, they should've edited it

^^^Yaah? Only 800 pages!! That is a pretty simple girl with only 800 pages.

Just saw Glee- the fat women move so fast and so good too!! This show is racist; There is only her as the only black person and they made her the stereotypical loud, fat, attitude, chicken loving, wide mouth and deep/loud singing voice. P.s. I only watched 5mins btw so I might be well off the mark.

New audio of Osama bin Laden has surfaced in which he claims responsibility for the failed US plane attack on Christmas Day. Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab has been charged with attempting to blow up a Delta Airlines plane on a flight from Amsterdam on December 25, 2009. The one-time London student was stopped by passengers on board Northwest Flight 253 after the explosives he had stitched into his underwear failed to go off. Mutallab, 23, has denied the charges against him. Early in January Barack Obama said Mutallab had been trained and equipped by the terror group Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, which is based in Yemen. In the new recording obtained by Al Jazeera TV, bin Laden warns Mr Obama that attacks against the US would continue. "The message sent to you with the attempt by the hero Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab is a confirmation of our previous message conveyed by the heroes of September 11," the audio said. "America will never dream of security unless we will have it in reality in Palestine. "God willing, our raids on you will continue as long as your support to the Israelis continue." Speaking not long after the audio was aired, Foreign Secretary David Miliband said it demonstrated the links that were possible between different terrorist groups. "We know that the al Qaeda senior leadership are in the badlands of the Afghan-Pakistan border, probably on the Pakistan side," Mr Miliband told the BBC's Andrew Marr. "The fact that Al Qaeda of the Arabian Peninsula should have tried to strike in Detroit marks a new phase in their campaign." Israeli foreign ministry spokesman Andy David dismissed the audio and its attempt to link Israel with attacks on America. "This is nothing new, he has said this before. Terrorists always look for absurd excuses for their despicable deeds," he said. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100124/twl-bin-laden-claims-failed-plane-bomb-p-3fd0ae9.html

Somalis lol

^^^I've always liked football. There were times I use to play you know Btw we lost, don't leave your house today

Dawkins book is really badly written and his argument is not well made (or made at all). I think the blind watchmaker was better written; at least he followed his argument/model. This one was just to make money when he saw he was short of change.

Grrrrrrr we can't go out. Grrrrrr

I am so glad Sol Campell is back with Arsenal. Damn Habarti caadey who messed him up! Cheering my team on.

^^^Looooool That cracked me up. You and your script! hehe

My accountant walked on me praying Azr before our meeting. When I finished he looks at me and goes: So, Ibti, you must be a very sinful person to be praying at work too I said to him arnt we all? He said Yes, but some more than others

Subxanallah, people in Gaza were raising funds for Haiti. That made me wanna cry. But I guess when you have known suffering, it is easy for you to feel for others who are going through suffering.

Jumca Mubarak peeps

What are you guys talking about?? :confused: Juxa I have two cakes for you

^^Gosh I remember this I would like to think I've improved

Hello Che, how are you doing? don't let Zakina hear you say that. Hey Juxa Iska waran? I have a headache since yesterday. Is that even normal I don't like people stepping on my jalbiib, and people keep doing so!

Hello people

SalamAlikum; No wonder you are not convinced. Thats because Ibti's views are shaped by 30 or so Burka wearers. If it were upto Ibti, she would convince the world that these women represent the silent majority and that we should take their word over the thousands of women whose lives were shattered because of the Burka in their home countries.(public record) You have yet to back this up. Where in the west have 1000s womens life been shattered lazy??? Also you have started to perform for the audience, remember we started this discussion on our own to achieve an understanding, so instead of all of sudden addressing the audience and referring to me in that context, please return to dialogue. Ibti draws the intimate experiences of the 30 or so women at the expense of the victims of Burka. These thousand or so women who say they have been coerced into wearing the material in the first place and that their lives were at risk at some point or another because of the Burka are not legitimate source, nor should their words be taken at face value because its a western agenda and perhaps these women are agents of the west, sent to spread lies about the good muslim by portraying the said garment in a negative light. On the other hand, the words of the said 30 or so amazing ladies that Ibti draws from her experiences are the sole authority of the Burka, thereby dismissing the thousand or so that have endured the lashes just because Ibti says its a personal choice and her ladies say its personal choice too, which means we should take their word and put the 'to wear or not to wear' subject to rest. Lets just say I know 30 Burka wearing women, (which I don’t know, I know more Burka wearing women than non-Burka wearing, furthermore I have travelled Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, India, not to mention Somalia where I have met Burka wearing women, some of them for the strangest reasons and raging from salafist, shia, Sunni and few other random sects) but for the sake of argument, lets just say I know 30 happy Burka wearing women. How many Burka wearing women do you know, (Happy or unhappy?? One? Two? Zero?) I keep asking you this have you ever even exchanged salams with one, even if she had a black eye and broken leg? The fact is, I still have more interaction with them than you, you draw ALL your conclusions from YOUR own thoughts and Tabloid newspapers/ shows. at least I have a sample data. Ibti's counter-argument is flawed, in that on the one hand, she insist that it is a personal choice and because Islam does not prescribe the garment, it doesn't mean that is outlaw by Islam, thereby insisting that the right for a woman to wear the Burka should be granted and no one should stand in the way of it. On the same token, Ibti argues that the material brings some women (the said 30 or so) closer to God by turning them away from worldy sins and vanity and into God, in other words, the motivation to wear Burka is an 'exaggerated penance', which only the Burka can fulfill. Never said only the Burka can fulfill, some may do other things too. This could mean one of two things: Either the women battling inner demons and the Burka conceals the darkness from the world and away from prying eyes or they believe that Burka would single handily wash away their sins, thereby allowing them to be closer to God because they have embarked on the ultimate sacrifice, "covering their identity from the public" , so why wouldn't Allah grand them forgiveness? After all, the garment is made from harsh material and the dark screens that the figure represents a ghost like figure, thereby, subjecting themselves through penance in the Burka. What? Come again sister. The Burka is not a torture Process nor hardship for those who wear it because they want to :confused: And as for Ibti's high heel research? Ibti, Ibti, when did this discussion turn away from the Burka and into the world of stilettos? Let us keep our eyes on the prize because we don't want anything to distract you from your mission of putting this topic to rest but as soon as you bring distractions into the discussion, the Burka just doesn't go away. The correlation since you would like to pretend you did not see it was because YOU (not me) You brought up the issue of the Burka and alcohol induce behavior, and association of danger. So I asked you if you are saying Burka should be banned based on the danger it causes its wears, then how far do social institutions go in engineering behavior, High heels? Which clearly are more dangerous than the Burka. Read it again if you did not see it the first time. As for turning away from sin, Theresa of Avila once told of the moment she felt that God had admonished her for her youthful sins and from that point on, she did everything to feel God's love through spiritual healing. Denouncing worldly goods, giving her body and soul to serving God, which was anything she has yet experienced. Theresa once said "The memory of the favor God has granted does more to bring such a person back to God than all the infernal punishments imaginable." For her, loving God with all of her body and soul meant that she would not offend him. (the more she loved him and was closer to him, the harder it had gotten of offending God by being sinful) What we can take from the good lady? Her devotion to God in this world and the next. Collective works that brought her closer, it strengthened her iman. For Theresa, there was no other alternative, thereby defining her closeness to God through her collective good works was the way. Theresa continued to work hard, day and night, praying to God, indulging in mental prayer, denouncing her friends and the evil spirits but this surely was not enough. She knew she had to do more for she had tried to serve God by becoming nun and even that could not fulfill the sorrow she felt or fill her empty heart. All in all, nothing she did was ever enough, or atleast she felt that way, until she started dedicating her time to others. Her life as she knew it didnt end with being the best nun she could be, there had to be more, thats why she believed that good intentions were not enough, instead good actions is what counts with God, in which she said: "Good effects were better than pious sensations that only make the person praying feel good". By God was Theresa right and no amount of Burka would cleanse the soul of evil, even Burka, instead, good actions will go along way with God. (may her soul respect in peace) What is your point sis. (by the way she too wore a Jalbib (the Somali and Arab, exactly the same even in the layers) Example of good action: Feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless, treating the sick. Devoting your life to others, that is what counts but I do not hear you saying any of that coupled with wearing the Burka, instead, Burka alone should be the good works of a Muslim woman. Being pious is all about the clothing when we both know that God can see through everyone and everything. At the end, I hope you take no offense when I say that I'm not convinced(just as cicero and others are not convinced), instead, I'm left with more questions than every before with every post. Now you are jumping from post to pillar, Lazy no one said that anyone will go to heaven based on what they wore, and those actions you listed above are beloved and advised in Islam, however they are NOT compulsory like prayer, hijab, Fasting etc. As for you not being convinced, Cicero Will never be convinced because he does not believe in religion, the very idea that something has to be done for a God offends him. You just have some questions, which I have taken the time to look at and given you my feed back as best as I can. Whether you buy it, or not is up to you at the end of the day. I hope that I have made you question your stance at least and that questioning will compel you to do your own research and seek your own answers in this topic. I’m just an individual, I’m not a preacher or a scholar or a learned one. Just giving my two cents like everyone else on this forum. Ibti, can you honestly sit there and say that you have given your all in presenting a convincing argument for the burka? Instead, we are reading about one distraction after another.... Indeed I have to the best of my ability and my knowledge. My aim was to make you question your own stance and how you form a conclusion and advocate for a ban on something which all your knowledge comes from heresy and for me to understand why you feel such outrage and hatred for garments that people choice to wear in the west when they could just as easily throw it out the window as soon as they arrive from those oppressive regime. Although you started well, I feel that the sincerity is fleeing as we progress, and I feel that nothing will be gained because you have become preoccupied with maintaining your position and defending it regardless. As a result you have failed to answer most of the questions I asked you in my last two posts, instead nit picking and continuously repeating the same things, despite the fact I have responded to every point you have risen in this discussion and tried to get you beyond the “I know they are forced and beaten, because I just know they are even though they don’t say they are”. Do you see how many correlations and statements you draw on from this basic statement based on your own thought process?? I’d like you to look at this as a leaning process rather than a debate or a challenge where your way must be imposed. Maybe one day you will come back to it after having met some Burka wearing sisters and reflect. Maybe you will never change your stance, but at least be aware of the huge gaps in your reasoning and the limits of your statements. Kind regards Salamah

^^^ yahoo, In any case I thought always wa la xiishooda, I don't know what I said that offended your xiishood radar. :rolleyes: Perhaps next time you can just skip past it. :cool:

Fresh measures to track terror suspects and strengthen airport security after the attempted Christmas Day bomb plot have been announced by Gordon Brown. A "no-fly list" is to be set up to stop suspected terrorists from travelling to the UK while other individuals under suspicion will undergo thorough checks. Direct flights between Yemen to UK are also to be suspended until concerns about their safety are addressed. The UK faced "active" terrorist threats from across the world, the PM said. 'Tracking terrorists' Mr Brown ordered a review of airport security in the wake of the attempted Christmas Day bombing of a flight to Detroit, believed to have been planned in Yemen. Following the review and further intelligence briefings, he told MPs that the government would introduce a range of measures to protect the UK's borders and further strengthen aviation and airport security. He said the Home Office's current watch list - a register of known criminals and terrorists as well as those considered a threat to security - would be extended to identify those "posing the greatest risk" to the UK. A new "no-fly list" will identify individuals who will not be allowed to enter the country because of suspected terrorist links. Individuals who have attracted the attention of the authorities but are considered lower-risk will be listed in a second category. They will be subject to "special measures", such as more extensive screening, before being allowed to fly to the UK, although officials said they could not divulge what this would entail. By the end of the year, all UK airports and ports will be covered by the e-borders scheme, which he said meant information passengers provide when buying tickets can be checked against the watch lists. Enhanced global co-operation would mean that suspect individuals could be checked against the watch list 24 hours before they boarded a flight to, or via, the UK. Other initiatives he outlined to MPs include new teams of intelligence officers who will seek to identify individuals who present a threat to security early on, well before they come to the UK. Ministers also want the EU, the US and other G8 nations to share intelligence about security threats more effectively and help countries with gaps in their security arrangements to fill them Mr Brown, who said he had discussed the measures with US President Barack Obama on Tuesday, also confirmed that new full body scanners would be introduced at British airports next week. The prime minister said the objective of the enhanced security measures was to ensure terrorist movements could be "seamlessly tracked and disrupted" both in the UK and abroad. "It is because we fully recognise the global nature of the terrorist threat we face today that our response must be truly global," he said. "Some of the intelligence we need to protect our people against attacks will be here in Britain, some will be held by our international partners and passed to us, just as we help them with information about the threats they face." Growing radicalisation The Conservatives, who have called for a "radical" rethink of the UK's security approach, welcomed the introduction of a "no-fly list" but said the threat posed by individuals already in the UK must be recognised. Tory leader David Cameron said the man who tried to detonate the Christmas Day bomb was radicalised in the UK before going to Yemen. "Doesn't that show that more needs to be done to tackle radicalisation right here in the UK?", he said. Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg called for guarantees that peoples' civil liberties would be protected amid the tougher measures. The BBC's Security Correspondent Frank Gardner said the move to suspend twice-weekly flights from Yemen to the UK was prompted by concerns that another attack on Western interests could be imminent. UK officials were also worried that airport security at Sana'a, the Yemeni capital, was not good enough, he added. The Nigerian man arrested for the attempted Christmas Day bombing has said he was given the bomb by al-Qaeda operatives in Yemen. A meeting arranged at the end of the month to discuss assistance for Yemen has been downgraded to a two hour session but Mr Brown insisted the international community was still committed to tackling the root causes of extremism in Yemen and UK. He added that by the end of this year, the UK would have given £100m to Yemen since 2007 to support political, social and economic reforms. The prime minister added that UK aviation officials were currently in Yemen to discuss improved aviation security in the country and he hoped flights could be resumed as soon as possible.

Women have you not seen the new inventions?? Now they use material that allows you to see out clearly, might fine vision like tinted windows but people cannot see you. I like them; Cara it is a walking violation only if you already had two left feet, niqab won't help with your walking then

Sayid, you have to be willing to use your own mind and words, rather than trying to get them to follow links and find the same answers you did. THAT never works. If an atheist give me a link, I read it but with a mindset of trying to find faults and pick holes in the content. I certainly don’t read it so that I am enlightened, therefore I’m more likely not to gain anything from it.

Faheema you are nuts, You are the only person I know who goes to work when they have an excuse NOT to go to work, THEN complains of work or being bored at work!! :rolleyes: If I finish early I'll come by and we can watch Abdi Habey; Did not get a chance last night.

Since you posted this, you have to be willing for them to give YOU dacwan as well Sayid. So get ready, it is going to be a looooooong thread if you are serious. :cool:

Ngonge, That cracked me up!! I know a ban will never work in practical terms without lawsuits but semi bans: For example in universities, schools, hospitals will probably become more common. For example at the hospital I work at, the guidelines are: - Nothing hanging off or lose at the arms - Not dragging on the floor - If wearing a dress or skirt; It must be wide, lose fitting and not restricting your steps or hazard - No open toes or sandals. Which is fine, unless you are a niqabi.