small consolation prize when you compare it to what he lost.

Snakes on an airplane.

Originally posted by J.Lee: How was this one (in particular) offensive and incomplete? Mida Kale if you hate these types of analogies, how will you know a complete one (whatever that means) when you come across it? its incomplete because the analogy really isnt fitting and doesnt explain why we wear the hijab. its offensive because it compares women to an inanimate object that people use on a daily basis, and because it is an object (no brain) has no say in the matter. we dont wear the hijab because its pleasing to the men in our lives but because it pleases Allah, swt. the hijab alone doesnt increase our value (hindus cover too) but combined with taqwa it does. this analogy leads people to believe otherwise.

i dont like these analogies. i find them offensive and incomplete. i see the point though, your appealing to our vanity. :rolleyes:

i have a non muslim friend who has that and it freaks her out tremendously. i have to remind her all the time that she has no control over it and its a gift that she get a glimpse of what is already pre-ordained. she often feels guilty.

good thread and great discussion. im surprised it lasted this long while remaining respectful.

Originally posted by Honesita: quote:Originally posted by illegal some-alien: does it matter? its their loss. Salaamu Aleeykum (allow me to disagree) Yes, I think it does matter. Muhammad Alayhi Salaam is the example that we follow in Islam. There is a hadeeth that i heard before but i cant find it or its authenticity where the Prophet alayhi salaam says that our example is the example of a man who builds a huge fire and he wants to throw himself in it and the Prophet is holding him by the waiste so that he does not fall in it. It's a beautiful hadeeth masha Allah. Basically the message of Islam is True Salvation. My point is, "We are not doing our job in learning and teaching Islam, Dawah starts at home, those leaving Islam to Christianity seem to be the most ignorant about religion, it's purpose and mainly about Islam, and the fact that they are no longer worshipping Allah the proper way should be a wake up call to us, insha Allah." My two cents...Wallahu Ta'ala A'lam. Fii Amaani'Laah wa 3leykum salaam sis, i see where youre coming from but i still hold on to my original statement. i agree, dawah starts at home and with yourself first but im also a very fatalistic person. if a person rejects islam or accepts it its due to allah subhana wa ta'ala. that doesnt mean we shouldnt do anything in terms of educating ourselves and striving to improve ourselves but another persons lack of faith doesnt say much about my faith or allah subhana wa ta'ala. its their loss.

cant cook- dont have the intereset or the talent. there have been days where i spent my time fasting (w not ajar) cause i couldnt be bothered to make something.

Originally posted by Modesty: ^ Being an asthethetic isn't encouraged in Islam. You can live your life, and still be a muslim. And No, i'm not 12, I just have to go to the Juniors' section because that's where the young adults female clothing is located, I'm sorry but I don't want to wear old lady shirts. Covering your head doesn't make you any religious than a girl without a headcover walking down the street. In fact, that same girl might be more knowledgeable, and God-fearing than you. Secondly, wearing hijab doesn't mean you shouldn't care about your looks. I mean, it's already hard enough living in the post-9/11 USA wearing hijab, imagine how it would feel you walked down the street looking like you are from a village in Las Caanod.Not good. never said otherwise, sis but if you steer clear from the juniors section im sure you can find stuff that is fashionable and yet modest.

yes, but there is no clear victim in the case of homosexuality.

i dont completely believe this story. i dont see what the point of the story is either. i'm wary of the islamic propaganda ive been hearing lately, shouldnt it be enough that you yourself have accepted islam as the truth? do we have to look for famous people of the past and present to validate our faith? i dont think we need propaganda to prove islams validity.

does it matter? its their loss.

welcome back and congrats.

^^^i dont know man, isnt mate apart of pirates repertoire? pirates are classy, with their ruffled shirts, silk scarves and jeweled teeth. pirates are the epitome of class.

mcdonalds nuff said

i used to wear abayas regularly because i was so sick of shopping (i convinced myself it was cause it was more modest but really i was just lazy).anyhow, im thinking of making a big throw back to the early 90's and wearing nothing but oversized hoodies, baggy jeans and timbalands. i may possibly break out in dance also. *does the urkel* anyhow, what the hell are you doing in the juniors sections? are you still twelve, cause if so you had me fooled. i think you just got to be creative. im semi serious about the hoodies because its covering and fitting to my lifestyle. an option is to layer, if you wear hijab you can just wear a long one to cover the bosom if the shirt itself isnt the most modest. in my opinion, the most troublesome part of shopping is finding something for the bottom half long skirts or tunic style shirts are hard to find. but in the summer layering comes in handy, you can wear a thin top and blazer over it. if this really bothers you, and if you think you have the talent and time for it, why dont you start your own muslim clothing line, or at least make your own clothes? i would but i lack talent and time. and to the guy who said something about religious ppl not caring about style, well define religious? imo, not caring about material things dsnt make you more religious but more of an aesthetic, a quality i admire and is also liked in islam but not a true gauge of ones faith. also, when a girl puts on hijab she doesnt automatically get a wadaad certificate, there are many other obligations they have to meet and muslims (male and female) achieve them at varying success rates.

i saw this on the news a while ago, it looks kinda cool in a disturbed and cryptic kind of way. it wont be in my city so i cant do much but i have a serious question from an islamic pov and i'm sure you can guess what it is, but i dont want to hijack your post, so i will omit it for now.

Originally posted by Farah Blue: War meeye Aasiya, Baarliin, Yurub iyo wixii la mid ah? Gabdhihii intarnashanaalka ahaa. this made me lol

u forgot qhalii

i think we are culturally inclined to see our kids as a reflection of ourselves and in turn while raising them have alot of demands on them so they dont hurt our self image.what i mean is in our somali parent/child relationships the emphasis is on meeting the demands we create on them rather than creating an environment of trust and understanding. trust is earned, even if you are the woman who brought me into this world. the father bashing here is disconcerning. i can only guess that many of you were raised primarily by your mothers and its only natural to feel protective of them but not all mothers are saints and not all fathers are monsters.

Originally posted by Castro: quote: H It's just the way the cookie crumbles. [/QB]C.C Bud Baxter that is all. *quietly exits stage left*

Originally posted by Faaraxov: Originally posted by Castro: [qb] Edit:Alienchick,what in gods green earth are you babbling about dear? how about not calling me a chick, punk.

Originally posted by Hayam: We have to be very skeptical of these reports, any intelligent person can see how racist it is…a disease where the usual cause is sexual promiscuity is linked to Africans…tis that racist stereotype that was created during colonization, missionary work…â€we are here to help the godless, the immoral†blah blah. I didn’t read the paper or care to….i mean that one singular quote faraxo put up is proof enough... read this paper written by Charles Geshekter called the Critical reappraisal of African aids research and western sexual stereotypes. READ it and his other work, he did some stuff in Somalia too…very interesting stuff. One of the things that blew me off was how aids was diagnosed in most African countries….now consider a country crippled in debt, non existent social structures…how are people diagnosed with the virus….i mean there isn’t one single test for aids that tells you have it or not…signs of a weak immune system in a person who is does not have any other diseases like TB or Malaria in the west (where they are rare anyway) has the possibility to have aids. now this is with tests done in proper hospitals. now these things don’t exist or don’t function to fulfill all the needs in most African countries. how do they diagnose people….through a list of symptoms….the person has been weak/fatigued for more then one month, diarrhea, lost considerable weight, general illness….is diagnosed with HIV…….how messed up is that !!! now this poor person could simply be suffering from the daily struggles of life, lack of nutrition, have previously suffered from other diseases that weaken his/her immune system….i mean wtf ! this loose careless classification of such a disease is criminal man..well enough I am not going to summaries his writings but seriously read read read…the paper and look up his earlier work balance helps though. not all of africa is bush country. just like we should be skeptical at how research depicts africans or blames africans for their sufferings i think creating further taboos (or even sustaining old ones) on aids and hiv will only further increase suffering.

you realize mali is an entirely different country than somalia, right? just messing with you. i'm not the most health oriented person but i'll try. i want to be healthier also because i have an awful sweet tooth and im scared of a future riddled with tooth decay and diabetes.

i could only answer a handful of these q's and i'm actually switching to english lit. i feel ashamed.