'Liibaan';823488 wrote: KHaatumo State is not your business. Worry about your pl, because Warlord Faroole & his pirate faction is a failure so far. :D:D

Absolute failure, I can't believe my parents paid money to support this movement.

Just finished it, secessionists were run over!

Qandalawi;823442 wrote: ^I don't get you point Carafaat, sometimes you speak in codes that only you understand.

No, it will never break away, I guarantee that. Even if you guys can't get together among yourself and make peace, Puntland will go down with you.

:D @Shinbir, the TFG introduced a fair system to the fertile lands yet there's opposition but why? If the road map fails, the TFG fails, do you still believe that the capital should be in Mogadishu? Or do you believe a temporary one, nor matter where it is? I honestly think if it doesn't work out the government should be moved.

You think it is booto? @Shinbir, a man like Faroole speaks like he does because he has leverage, what is this leverage? Bal feker? You don't seem to understand, this constitution is based on the 1960s one, 90%, and it isn't a permament constitution. Shinbir, we don't want to be taken back to the 18th century like your kinsmen would want us to do. We want to go out there and compete with the world, not held hostage by ... "people". Please understand that.

It's happening in the beginning of May.

Shinbir Majabe;823401 wrote: Mr. Somalia, haka cabsan.. aad baan u daganahay marki aan la deal gareenayo reer tuulo.. Garowe marki ay 1000 (kun) sano jirsato ayaan Magaalo u aqoonsanayaa.. reer tuulo riyadoodana waxay iila mıd tahay Shabaabkii dhahay ALASKA ayaan qabsanaynaa! Reer Garowe are the ones that only need to lift their finger for Sheikh Shariif to come, "Sheikh Shariif, 24 hours baa heesataa in aad Garowe ka soo degtid", that's how Faroole does business. If the road map fails and fighting continues do not doubt that Garowe will become the temporary capital.

@Shinbir, I can see from your writing that your blood is boiling. Garowe is now a city, has 10s of thousands of people, living in a spacious city. However, this is the alternative to thuggery and it was speculated last year.

Puntland isn't crumbling and the rest of the places you stated are not even states. And what does Kismayo have to do with it, it's occupied by Al-Shabaab so it's outside the reach of the new constitution. You ought to just tell us all which part you disagree with, then we can have a rational conversation.

This has been speculated before which is said to be one of the reasons why politicians in Mogadishu are pushing it ahead. I remember Faroole saying in context to the federal status of Mogadishu that if a state is established which is outside the road map it should lose its status. They would simply move the different branches of government.

^^ I honestly don't get your post. What does your 'vs' have to do with the phrase you posted? :confused:

Carafaat;823374 wrote: We oppose "Federale States" and want the original Somali Provinces to remain. We don't want clan states igniting a new wave of a Somali civil war. Proof: division igniting clan flight in Mudug, Galakacyo, Beletweyn, soon in Kismayo, Galgaduud. No more clan wars! Igniting by Federalism. Yes Carafaat, you live in the alternate world where federalism that was established in 2004 and brought civility to parts of Somalia is behind the civil war that happened in 1991..

^^ History shows that Puntland cares more about the Somali people than they care about themselves. How many times have a government been established, when Puntland got involved in 2004 it took off and the world noticed Somalia, look where we are now, the TFG is going ahead. But if you negotiate with specific clans that may be sympathetic to your secessionist cause instead instead of with a wide reaching consensual forum, I promise you there will be other tactics.

^^ Agreed..

Khaliif Galaydh is the certified thief who stole between $5 and $25 million when he was head of the Mareerey Sugar Project and he left for abroad with the money. His opinion is irrelevant, especially when he doesn't even state which part of the constitution he disagrees with. All I see is "I was not included", well Khaliif you thief, you weren't included for a reason. And what has he left, what's the legacy of Khalif Galaydh other than failure, even Sheikh Shariif said that without Abdullahi Yusuf he wouldn't have been in his seat. I believe this man is an opportunist of the worst kind.

@Abwaan, I don't think anyone said anything that amounts to kibir, the kibir is on the tape posted by Ditoore Cusmaan.

You are speaking in circles. I realise you didn't know anything regarding this constitution did you? You didn't know that it would be a provisional one till there's a vote when the country is fully liberated and that this one will work in liberated areas? Get out of here youngin'. -->

I am wondering, are there any books on Xooga Dalka Soomaaliyeed?

Thanks, I've been looking for some.

It's not the actual constitution it's a temporary one which can be amended in the future and will work in liberated areas. You are just sad that there's a bit of peace in the country, I know the secessionist mindset.

Cambuulo iyo bun;823314 wrote: war xaaji walahi ninyahow dadka noocaan oo kale ebidkey ma arag koo dhahaayo somalia anuka leh lool iyo koo dhahaayo '' im not somali, im a puntlander'' I think you are just putting words in people's mouths, who said: im not somali, im a puntlander'

Exactly, no one has pointed out which part they oppose. *Ding ding ding*

This one is BASED on the 1960s one with amendments in relation to federalism only. It's 90% based on the one from the 1960s. Wallahi waa cajiib, these people don't know anything.