Does this mean Somaliland is fully recognised by A&T and his fellow nationalists?

NGONGE;773338 wrote: p.p.s The supply to Germany and other countries that banned it did not drop (go ask the people that live there). Really? You're confident of this by mere hearsay? Surely not! Thus the coockie crumbles

^I used to think why communte 1.30mins or 2 hrs to and from work everyday on slow, crowded and expensive trains? But living in the sticks is a comfort zone for the middle classes. To be honest I wouldn't mind apart from the daily commute. Afternoon all

How will it get to Poland? Are there flights from Addis/Nairobi to Poland? Speculation uun baad haysaa dee. It is logical to think that not much of the stuff will get to Holland when banned. Supply will drop and what does get through will be expensive. You don't need lessons in customs/border control (or even economics) ee naga daa ruwaayada. You will tell me it will be illegally grown there next

Zack, do you wear glasses saxib? Just a question

^excuse me dear, how are your and where have you been? (hope all is well) 2004 was just yesterday

NGONGE;773038 wrote: This quote makes you smile? The article also informs us that Khat is banned in 15 of the European Union's 27 countries (meaning it's legal in 12). Therefore, the smuggling is not likely to stop. Worse still, the language used in the article and the quote from the immigration minister shows that this was not done on grounds of health or even proper research (lethargic? Make noise?). EVEN WORSE, the report says that Holland has 27,000 Somalis! How many of those are men and how many of the men chew? Does such a small number really require a government to institute a ban? Still, Norf and his OMG crew are right. Allahu al mostcaan. Waakukaa Didn't you do geography in carabaha? How many of the 12 countries Khat is legal in actually border Holland? Mise it will travel through eastern europe and end up in Rotterdam in time for it to be enjoyed? If anything more of it will end up in the UK forcing prices down raising consumption levels (economies of scale). So this ban in Holland could actually exasperate the issues within the community in the UK. Holland is a western european country. They wouldn't make such a decision without looking at the health issues khat brings to their shores. This is just one report (bbc). There are others stating the government looked at the health and family issues (google them). Does the number of Somalis matter? Should they have ignored the health and family issues as a result of qaad consumption (because of the relatively low numbers)? You're just speculating and running out of reasons now

Maxaad ku qoslaysaa?

Afternoon all.

So where we? The Netherlands to ban drug khat http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16508238 "I'm involved in the ban because it appears to cause serious problems, particularly in the Somali community," Dutch immigration minister Gerd Leers is quoted as saying by Radio Netherlands. "They are lethargic and refuse to co-operate with the government or take responsibility for themselves or their families," he said.

^I'll probably smile (and remember this thread) everytime I hear that salaan now

^What Somali? I was with a friend the other day looking at cars. The Indian guy talking to us asked where we were from to which we replied Somalia (sorry JB). He wouldn't have it that my friend was Somali. He said he was too light to be Somali lol. When asked where he thought my friend was from he said "I don't know. Hes new". I was in stiches and my friend was just puzzled :D

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^Patience is the key. Ngonge is lambasting someone for greeting him in a way he doesn't quite appreciate

NGONGE;772136 wrote: ^^ No thanks. Marko i gaado ayuu odhan "it's the Somali way and it's not rude". Naga daaya. I would let you win just to be polite

Ilaahay ha ku sahlo Malika. Been a long day....

Bow bow. War I don't need a poll done. The title of your argument is that Somalis are rude. How can I accept a 'poll' conducted purly amongst Somalis to determine if something is rude or not? It would determine if the guy ku salaamay was actually rude according to other Somalis or if its just you're sensitivities As for that being the point. It is actually not. When the old man spoke "rudely" to the Indian waiter, you did not get annoyed becuase he was being rude (for you freely admit that such rudeness is normal amongst Somalis), you only objected to a strictly Somali habit being applied to an 'outsider' and how this outsider will view you Wow, you read minds? The way the old man addressed the waitor and the way the guy ku salaamay are completely different. The guy wasn't rude to you (waabu ku salaamay). You don't get the Somali greetings and its variations. The old man was just rude towards the waitor. We can get a sample from the nomads. The threads asks 'if' Somalis are rude. We BOTH acknowledge some of them are (keep up now). Fulay!

Depends how much you're on Cameron has been talking too much lately and Ed has been quiet. Weird.

Hello Juxa Maxaa dhacay? I'm on the crusp of a new adventure. A sabbatical is in order.

NGONGE;772116 wrote: I would still consider it rude if they greeted me with such words. There are no two ways about it, there is no Somali way here. Well, not unless the Somali way is to be rude to everyone and YOU accept it (I'll refuse of course but I'll understand your 'way of life'). Wax fahan. Dee thats the point I've been making. YOU thought it was rude. Your mates didn't. Your example is subjective. I would wager that most nomads wouldn't find it rude (Poll?). Actually, I will do a poll (including the other examples). Lets put this to bed.

^But I can Your case IS an exception (you're the only one who thought it was rude among your mates). It is a common salaan (one accepted by many Somalis). The other examples given in this thread are rude (no two ways about it).

^I know it has started but is it right? Why wasn't there a consulting period with businesses? Why was there no warning of an increase in VAT? As a direct result, businesses are going out of business. Meetings have been held with the minister. Investment by diaspora Somalis has dropped. Its not as simple as raising taxes. The overall picture needs to be looked at and people consulted before such decisions are made unilaterally.

^Dee the man wasn't speaking to you alone. You were with others he was on familiar terms with. Adaa meel ka soo boodey. You knew exactly what I meant from the get go

NGONGE;772003 wrote: Look, don't mix things up here. Politness is a universal thing and is not Somali specific, saaxib. Many languages in the world even have different phrases and ways to great strangers as opposed to those you know (tous & vous in French, or something along those lines). In addition, when greating a friend and because there is prior familiarity, one can use whatever form of greating there is (some young guys even fart at each other as a form of greating). However, just becuase your mates great you with "waa la idin wada Salaamay" does not mean it is the same greating you need to use around anyone and everyone you meet. If you're going to start a thread that pokes fun at the rudeness of Somali you first need to understand how a polite person should behave in public, ya geel jire. We're going around in circles here. I said such a greeting wasn't offensive to most Somalis. You said it was offensive to anyone. Now you've qualified that with 'it isn't offensive among friends'. To cut a long story short, you're again failing to see the greeting in the context of Somalis (who are all friends in a coffee shop and you were with his friends). Would it be rude if said to any other people? Probably but we are talking about a Somali greeting another Somali (different rules apply). Naga daa the universal nonsense

Oody, agreed. Rome wasn't built in a day. What has been surprising is the thought that they can do as the please in demanding payment without so much as a consultation paper, research or implementation procedure. JB, the problem I have is with implementation.