Planning on doing much travelling in the 3 weeks or so i will have there IA.

Dont you just love our 'learned' brothers Today they will support a gaal to kill a muslim, tomorrow they will lecture you on how muslims should reply to the same gaal carry on,,

Very sad

MKA, you seem to be one who adopts the quantitive method in his posts. You write a lot (most of it irrelevant) to get your point(s) across. Without the bravado usually associated with immature featherweights, peep this ya walad. From the ahadiths I posted, I hoped for you to see the difference in responding to greetings such as ‘asaam alaykum’ and ‘aslaamu alaykum’. If one were greeted with something like the former, then the reply would be ‘wa alaykum’. If someone is greeted with ‘asalaamu alaykum’ one should reply with the same or even better as stated in the following verse: "When you are greeted with a greeting, greet in return with what is better than it or (at least) return it equally." (Holy Qur'an: An-Nisa': 86) There is no distinction between Muslims and non-Muslims. With this the Muslim should respond in the manner prescribed by the laws of Shari'ah, by giving a similar response. You simply do not initiate the greeting to non-Muslims and there is no evidence to suggest ‘wa alaykum’ should be returned to a non-muslim when they greet you with ‘asalaamu alaykum’. JB, please greet the Nomads

I reject your deposit

The man who supported a gaal against a muslim speaks. LoL Every muslim knows that and it is like asking proof for zakaat, fasting in the holy month of Ramadan or going to Hajj and Umra, can you see it? Total and absolute non-starters. Khalas! Finito! Understand? I doubt it. Not every muslim i'm affraid. Zakaat, siyaam, hajj, salaat are all part of deenul Islam (Quran/Sunnah) ie no contest. For the reply to a non-muslim who says asalaama alaykum, show me the money!

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 62: Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "When the Jews greet anyone of you they say: 'Sam'Alaika (death be upon you); so you should say; 'Wa 'Alaika (and upon you).'" Volume 9, Book 84, Number 60: Narrated Anas bin Malik: A Jew passed by Allah's Apostle and said, "As-Samu 'Alaika." Allah's Apostle said in reply, "We 'Alaika." Allah's Apostle then said to his companions, "Do you know what he (the Jew) has said? He said, 'As-Samu 'Alaika.'" They said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we kill him?" The Prophet, said, "No. When the people of the Book greet you, say: 'Wa 'Alaikum.'"

You cannot reply or wish salaam on a kaafir! If a kaafir says to you 'As-Salaam calaykum', then you have to reply to him 'Wa calaykum' or only 'calaykum'! Do you have any proof?

Originally posted by samuraiW: MKA - Here it is --I have never known what "100,000,00" meant up until I have met a chap from the South who explained that “100,000,00” and “100,000.00” were the same --which is your take as well, if I am not mistaken. I further met students from Italy, Greek, and other European countries with similar way of writing mathematical calculations. Now, whenever I saw the following “100,000,00”, up until I met the said chaps, I used to read it to mean “10,000,000.00”. You see, it is the dot [.] and its location in the mathematical representation that which skews its reading. I see your frustration with my insistence, but do you not see mine? And by the way, I am by training Chartered Accountant. Did any of that help? Tata... This is actually new to me. I have never seen a comma placed infront of the last two digits. What a confusing way of doing things. One would think 100,000,00 was missing a zero at the end or that both comas are misplaced. There must be 3 digits after the last coma. Europeans :rolleyes:

Put forward your case!

When a man is down kick him,,,,,,,,,,, Vulture fund threat to third world On Thursday 15 February a high court judge in London will rule whether a vulture fund can extract more than $40m from Zambia for a debt which it bought for less than $4m. There are concerns that such funds are wiping out the benefits which international debt relief was supposed to bring to poor countries. Martin Kalunga-Banda, Zambian presidential adviser and a consultant to Oxfam told Newsnight, "That $40m is equal to the value of all the debt relief we received last year." Vulture funds - as defined by the International Monetary Fund and Gordon Brown amongst others - are companies which buy up the debt of poor nations cheaply when it is about to be written off and then sue for the full value of the debt plus interest - which might be ten times what they paid for it. Mockery Caroline Pearce from the Jubilee Debt campaign told Newsnight it makes a mockery of all the work done by governments to write off the debts of the poorest. "Profiteering doesn't get any more cynical than this. Zambia has been planning to spend the money released from debt cancellation on much-needed nurses, teachers and infrastructure: this is what debt cancellation is intended for not to line the pockets of businessmen based in rich countries." Debt Advisory International (DAI) manages a number of vulture funds which buy up the debts of highly indebted poor countries cheaply and then sue for the original value of the debt plus interest. Zambia - where the average wage is just over a dollar a day - is one of the highly indebted poor countries which the world's governments agreed needed debt relief. Tractors In 1979 the Romanian government lent Zambia money to buy Romanian tractors. Zambia was unable to keep up the payments and in 1999 Romania and Zambia negotiated to liquidate the debt for $3m. Before the deal could be finalised one of DAI's vulture funds stepped in and bought the debt from Romania for less than $4m. They are now suing the Zambian government for the original debt plus interest which they calculate at over $40m and they expect to win. Like the other vulture funds DAI refuse to do interviews but reporter Greg Palast caught up with the company founder Michael Sheehan outside his home in Virginia. Greg Palast: "I just want to ask you Mr Sheehan - why are you squeezing the poor nation of Zambia for $40 million - doesn't that make you a vulture? Michael Sheehan: "No comment I'm in litigation. It's not my debt." Greg Palast: Aren't you just profiteering from the work of good people who are trying to save lives by cutting the debt of these poor nations? Michael Sheehan: Well there was a proposal for investment. That's all I can talk about right now. Five years ago Gordon Brown told the United Nations that the vulture funds were perverse and immoral: "We particularly condemn the perversity where Vulture Funds purchase debt at a reduced price and make a profit from suing the debtor country to recover the full amount owed - a morally outrageous outcome". But the vulture funds are still operating. 'We don't do interviews' The London case is just one of many which are running around the world. Newsnight went to New York to try to interview Paul Singer - the reclusive billionaire who virtually invented vulture funds. In 1996 his company they paid $11m for some discounted Peruvian debt and then threatened to bankrupt the country unless they paid $58m. They got their $58m. Now they're suing Congo Brazzaville for $400m for a debt they bought for $10m. We didn't get our interview. His spokesman told us, "We have nothing to hide; we just don't do interviews". US courts The vulture funds raise most of their money through legal actions in US courts. Those actions against foreign governments can be stayed by the word of the US President and that is where lobbying and political influence becomes important. Debt Advisory International are very generous to their lobbyists in Washington. They have been paying $240,000 a year to the lobby firm Greenberg Traurig - although recently they jumped ship to another firm after Greenberg Traurig's top lobbyist was put in jail. Paul Singer has more direct political connections. He was the biggest donor to George Bush and the Republican cause in New York City - giving $1.7m since Bush started his first presidential campaign. Rudi Guiliani is the favourite to be the next Republican presidential candidate and a leaked memo from his campaign shows that Paul Singer has pledged to raise $15m for Guiliani's campaign. Tactics The vulture funds have teams of lawyers combing the world for assets which can be seized to settle their claims. There have also been claims of dubious tactics. Back in Britain the Zambian case has seen much legal discussion about allegations of bribery. The Zambian legal team - led by William Blair QC - Tony Blair's brother, has argued that a $2m bribe was offered to the former Zambian President to make it easier for the vulture funds to claim their money. They showed the court an email disclosed in the Zambia case saying that a payment to the "President's favourite charity" had allowed them to do a more favourable deal. Jubilee Debt Campaign told Newsnight that they are calling on Gordon Brown to turn his moral outrage about vulture funds into action When we caught up with Michael Sheehan outside his house in Virginia he told us it was not a bribe but a charitable donation. He told us, "We offered to donate debt to a low income housing initiative which was a charitable initiative which did end up building several thousand houses" before adding "you're contorting the facts, you're on my property and I would ask you to step off". The Jubilee Debt Campaign told Newsnight that they are calling on Gordon Brown to turn his moral outrage about vulture funds into action if he becomes Prime Minister and change the law to make the Zambian case the last to appear in a British court. source

^^Foreign occupation, weak govnt, insurgency, state of emergency, etc etc Remove the blindfold!

I cant remember the arabic term for it (the local sponsor who is paid 3000 dhs) but dont worry i have done the necessary research. I'll give you the term later on once i've spoken to my potential sponsor

^^i bet you had something to do with it (the mysterious box)

Originally posted by Hunguri: Northerner , and how strong will a local sponsor that you yearly give him 3,000DHM be?? I think he could be a hungary Balochi or a simple Somali beign naturalized recently. Im 100% sure, that no local man beign sponsor will accept such an offer. Let us be more realistic!! Its not about accepting the amount as the amount is already the law (there is no negotiation). He sponsors and get paid a yearly amount. You do your business without interference. Simple.

You can choose to have a local sponsor who you simply pay Dhs 3000 every year for being your sponsor. He has no say in your business. This gives you a business visa. You control your own affiars. Its not really that bad.

^^Maybe you can attend a few of the game this year and maybe i can turn out for Togdeer :cool:

^^Maybe you can attend a few of the game this year and maybe i can turn out for Togdeer :cool:

lets just hope in aan meesha la boobin like last time. The mysterious box with 80 votes inside?

^^There are different type of sponsorship. One is for the meployee and one is for the busniess owner. For the employee you simply work for a company sponsored by Mr K Al Ansari. For a business owner you have more options. You will need a local sponsor but you will not need one if you set up in a free zone.

What did Henry greyhound say/do to Neville? I didnt see the game

^^ You mean having a sponsor (your employer)? Well when you start your own business then things are better no? I will be my own boss in the next year or two IA. NG There is mixing with people and there is coming across them. I play footy and basketball with Indians, Arabs and Filipinos on a regular basis and get on with them but the division are very apparents. Teams of Arabs, Indian and Filipinos only. No mixed teams allowed. To be honest I live in my own little circle (as was the case in London) which consists of family and friends (Somalis). The local Arabs I only know a few who I come across on a regular basis. There are plenty of Masaaris, Jordanians, Iraqi, Filastinis etc in my xaafad and they are very friendly people. Bloom, if you don’t have a licence you can learn here but I doubt the standard of teaching is as high as UK. In fact I’m quite sure it isn’t. if its true the locals are racists, i hear they prefer to be treated by Caucasians If you believe what Somalis tell you the you will never get anywhere in life. The locals are cool and would actually prefere being treated by a Muslim Arab.

Originally posted by Shucayb: ^ You know what, this isn't the first time I thought about this, but I am all for it. What to name it? Xizbullah?

^^I think we should start our own political party in SL. What do you think badda cass?

I do it all the time and hear non muslims say it all the time as well. In another case, if a non Muslim says 'salamu calaykum' to you, you should respond, just as you would respond to a Muslim. Some of us have gotten the wrong idea, that you only reply with 'calayka' in that situation, but you don't. I think this is an Asian thing where they reply "wa calaykum" instead of the full reply. Think orginated from when the Jews would say "asaam alaykum" to muslims in previous times which means death to you. Muslims would reply "wa alaykum". This has somehow become a reply to non-muslims when they say "asalamu alaykum".