Come on Togdheer!!!!!!!!

Khalaf What the students were doing was noble to start with (their intentions were at least) but their conduct in holding people against their will and insisting they are going to become Muslims whilst in custody plus killing police officers is WRONG. These are NOT the 'stangers' the Prophet (scws) was refering to.

Met her in my old home town a few years ago now. An interesting book. Ngonge, I take it your familiar with DHL and Fedex [evil look]

My grammer is'nt all too bad. But we dont invite Xabashis to our houses

What is the aim of posting this yaa Cheif?

Geel Jire, In Me's eyes. Barre was a saint!

Edit LooooL Are you seriously using this state dept report as your evidence of an SNM defeat??? Not one mention of an SNM defeat in that report. Not a date on that report which would have helped us determine alot of factors (was it in 81 or 89?) and the fact that the report was focussing on the oil wealth of Somalia and assessing the conditions on the ground. Although on our return home we heard unconfirmed report ministerial convoy had been attacked this morning so much for defeat We need a date on this report. Looks like the early days to me. Before the SNM got 'serious'. If you read this, you would see that the down fall of the barre regime was due to a number of movements springing up. All thanks to the SNM.

Edit ^^Show me where he states the SNM was 'defeated'. I will ascert you understand the meaning of 'defeated'. If you said the SNM was helped by others to bring down the govnt then you may have a point. But saying they were defeated whilst they are still around and the Barre govnt is not, is a little bit silly me thinks. your still avoiding to answer my earlier questions. Why so?

Subxaanallah,

For once I have to agree with Duke. There never was a 'somalinimo' before the civil war. People of all clans were being arrested and detained etc. sadly, some are blind to these facts and hold Barre in high regard. Me, I asked: Now, why did the SNM start off as a protest group? What were they protesting? Do you wish to mention anything done by the former regime which may have triggered such actions by the SNM? You replied: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Northerner: The SNM destroyed Siyad's military just for the heck of it miya? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Ragii Jabhada Wadi Kari Wayay Ee Siyaad Bare Dalka Ka Xorayn Kari Waayay Ayaa Leh Dalka Hanaloo Dhiibo' Faysal Cali Warabe -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contradictory ain't it Northerner. Ina waraabe saying SNM wasn't able to defeat The SNA and your here telling blatant lies. aduunyo. But waa iska caadi So today you are willing to believe Faisal and take his word for it miya? Talk about changing shirts :rolleyes: I dont see any mention of the word defeat. Waraabe would not be alive today if the SNM was defeated saxib But you are yet to explain to me how (in your humble opinion) the SNM was defeated. I need you to do the following: a) define defeat in the context of rebel groups vs a govnt b) did the SNM achieve its objectives? c) did the govnt achieve its objectives? d) who is still around today? But before you do that, I want you to answer my earlier questions. If you dont to get into the 'nitty gritty' of why the SNM took up arms then just say so. You are obviously avoiding it.

Fines issued to shisha customers Manchester's first fines for breaking the new smoking ban have been issued to customers at a shisha cafe. Environmental officials gave the £50 fines to three people caught smoking shisha waterpipes at the Shesha Lounge in Cheetham Hill, Manchester. The council is now considering taking the owners of the cafe to court. Shesha Lounge bosses said it was a heavy-handed interpretation of new laws and are planning a High Court challenge to seek an exemption. The fruit-flavoured tobacco is popular in several Middle Eastern countries and there are about 20 shisha cafes in the north west, mostly concentrated in south Manchester. Environmental health officers raided the Shesha Lounge on Cheetham Hill Road last week and fined the three customers. Manchester council revealed they are considering legal action, which could bring a £2,500 fine, after complaints from the public. Officials have visited a total of 3,000 pubs, restaurants and shops since the ban came into force last month. Many Manchester cafes now only serve shisha pipes on outdoor patio areas. Enthusiasts say cafes which offer shisha, also known as hookah or nargila pipes, should be exempt on cultural grounds as they are popular with Muslim customers as an alternative social space to pubs. Jawad Butt, co-owner of Shesha Lounge said: "Business is now very difficult. The only way we can keep the pipes is if we have them outside but we are on the first floor. "We spent thousands and thousands on this place and selling coffee and food will not cover our overheads. Having the pipes was one of the main attractions. "The legislation has been too heavy-handed and it will kill off this tradition for good." 'Take action' Mr Butt and other Manchester cafe owners are part of a national campaign to win an exemption for shisha smokers. The group has already lodged papers with the High Court and is now trying to raise £20,000 to support a judicial review of the ban. Deputy council leader Jim Battle said: "The council has tried to work with businesses, including Shesha Lounge, to achieve compliance. "However, the approach of this business left the council with no choice but to take action. Despite our best efforts, Mr Butt chose not to comply." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/6933140.stm

I dont mind the heat per say. Its the humidity at night

Edit Me Your urgency to change this discourse into a slanging match has been noted. Your opinions are your opinions. I wont bother countering them as i have no interest in such irrelevant rhetoric. Now, why did the SNM start off as a protest group? What were they protesting? Do you wish to mention anything done by the former regime which may have triggered such actions by the SNM? Note: I'm not asking whether you agree with them but rather the reasons why they took up arms.

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What do you think of Kulmiye's chances NG? I think developments over the past weeks have swung in their favour.

Ghanima (what is this name anayway?) We will not abuse our respective positions (well we will try not to )

a nap,,,,a nap,,,

saxib waxyaabo farabadan ayaan meesha kusoo bartay. Like how to find a good spot for a nap

If all goes well you will be looking at a minister northerner next year

So your basically saying the SNM fought the govnt for the heck of it. No reason whatsoever. Is this what your saying?

Didnt get the chance to see him. I thought he lived in Burco :confused: I did see others though,,,

LoL@SNM being defeated. you didnt answer my question,,,, Was there such a thing as a 'Somali social fabric' before 1988? If so, do explain,,,,,

Originally posted by me: Talk has always been cheap and may it forever be cheap. The guy was SNM>>>>SNM was sponsored by the Ethiopians>>>>> Somalia and Ethiopia were at war with each other >>>>>>that makes the SNM collaborators>>>They betrayed their nation>>collaborated with the enemy>>>>worked for the enemy>>>>that makes them dabo-dhil*f. The SNM destroyed Siyad's military just for the heck of it miya?

He is living in Hargaisa so maaha?

Give us a brief summary in english saxib,,,