I hate accountants...........

NGONGE;744647 wrote: ^^ I did and still disagreed. We can hint at everything or imply or wink & nudge but disgust only works when its aired. Show your disgust warya. Not showing my disgust should indicate that I don't think anything will be done. Waa huuhaa ninyow.

^Yes but you can travel without a passport/travel doc which you need to pay for

All that digital stuff isn't for me. I could say my cars but they come and go. If I had to think long and hard it would probably be my passport (I didn't 'buy' it but I paid for it).

^You used the UK as an example. How long did it take for them to draft that law? How long was it debated? Dee adiguna look at what I implied. Casiir waaxid.

Dee you jumped from advocating for citizenship to other nationals to saying the status changes of non nationals need to be done properly. You're like dizzy bird. Bal fly straight. Markaasaynu is fahmaynaa.

NGONGE;744622 wrote: Yes there are two issues here and you (blindly) decided to support the minor one. Yours is a case of control and adminstration. It pales into insignificance when compared to the xenophobic way the minister announced it. Now, whilst I agree that something has to be done, I am clear enough on the need for it to be done CORRECTLY. So, when a minister threatens SL citizens with dire consequences for harbouring immigrants, the whole issue of "something being done" becomes secondary for me and the problem of injustice begins to take precedence. Wax fahan. Blindly? Skeptical about how it will be implemented and if they have the resources to implement it but not blindly. The ‘minor’ issue is the one announced by the government. It’s the one people are talking about. You brought up the citizenship issue. Dee we agree on things needing to be done correctly. You shouted it whilst I murmured it. Maxaad kale aad iga rabtaa? The way the minister announced it is irrelevant (it still needs to be done correctly according to what we perceive as correctly). Waar bal yaabkan eega Ps remember that article I sent to you recently? No policies & procedures, no clarity etc etc. Dee waa tan.

I'm sure Tuujiye is repeating his comments from last season

Che -Guevara;744485 wrote: Who knew Norf is GOPer, a real teabugger and a supporter of the minuteman project. Rabbit punches from the sidelines. I see nothing changes

NGONGE;744444 wrote: Warya, don't put my blood pressure up dee. That it needs to be done is not in question or else there will be no point in having a country, borders or sovereignty! However, the argument here is on how it is being done. THIRTY DAYS to deport people? Add to that the background of the issue. I am not making things up here, I am just looking at your racist reactions, saaxib. Look at XX talking about Siilaanyo's grandfather, look at Val asking about the maids, look at Zack getting upset at first then accepting the argument once he found out that they are not Somalis from the south! Do it correctly and fairly and I am right behind it. Do it in the Farole style and I will point out your hypocracy, saaxib. Wax fahan. So, you agree it needs to be done. Whats with all the fan fair then? You're mixing two issues here. One is the need for people living in SL to be documented (which you agree needs to be done) and the other is one of immigration. The latter is not what the government is doing (or even contemplating). If you see my previous posts (even the one you quoted) I did express concern that things are not very clear as to how this (the requirement for everyone to be documented) will be implemented. Wax fahan

Ngonge, but this isn't about immigration. Its about migration. Wax fahan Those who wish to be in SL must have the right paperwork. Even you must have the right paperwork on the very occassional times you go there ($50 is paper). Not a big deal really. What you must understand is that this needs to be done. Maybe a bit more sensitively but needs to be done nontheless.

NGONGE;744435 wrote: Why should a poor xamaal that worked his backside off for ten years in (and for) SL have to suffer deportation just because of the whim of some shortsighted and xenophobic Somalilander (or even for the patterns & policies you speak about). Because he doesn't have any documents.

NGONGE;744431 wrote: Why not? You spend several years in the UK and get given a British citizenship, why then begrudge a poor Ethiopian the chance to have an SL one if that's what he desires and if he fulfills a fair criteria? Here, the pathetic argument of this Kulmiye party (and most SL parties as a whole) is that they have a few 'accepted' refugees and many illegal immigrants. But did they take into account the length of stay, the jobs done, etc? It does not sound like it. The only criteria here seems that if you're an Oromo you are out (I'm going by the comment that some ETHIOPIANS have already been recognised as refugees). SDL marches in Hargaisa in 20 years time it is then On a serious note, such decisions will have to be managed and brought into law. I can't see it happening any time soon (and long may it be the case).

NGONGE;744429 wrote: You talk is if this is the first time such an idea was mooted or such a thing was done. War ila ina Cigaal bay mala yacnigaan watay. It's not new and never achieves anything but build up the hatred against these poor people. p.s. What distinction are you making between illegal immigrants & refugees? How many of your relatives have taken the tahreeb route in the past twenty years, saaxib? If you even only say 'one' you've already said more than enough. Dee naga daa and look at the ugliness of this thing warya. Stop moving the goal posts saxib. What happened previously happened previously. There is no ugliness in telling people to go home and get the right paperwork if you wish to come back. Its standard. Its for better security. Its for better allocation of resources. Its for monitoring population. You're advocating for a free for all. What should be done? Should anything be done?

Are you advocating for Ethiopians to be given SL citizenship NG?

Ngonge, qurbojoog waaxid. The measure the government is taking is a good one. Not only will they get the chance to clear up illegal immigrants (not refugees) they will also get the chance to finally put together some sort of strategy on how to monitor visas, provide better border controls etc (I’m assuming this is the main reason otherwise it would be pointless) which in turns provides better security. No one said those being kicked out cannot come back with the right paperwork. This is not about rich and poor or who is and isn’t a citizen. It’s about having the right documents. Isn’t what you would want? Also, this decision will stop much of the ‘tahriib’ traffic through SL to Bosasso (and all the criminal off shoots that come with it). I won’t get into the strain on resources (water, fuel) and the health issues. Get with the programme warya.

Afternoon all. Sleepy. Back at work. Ngonge, iga raali ahow. Blame the EDL

Good move. Not very well defined but a good move.

Bal warama Heading back to the desert tonight. Ngonge, Have the EDL left you guys alone? Is it safe to come out now?

Thanks for posting. Good show.

Not a big deal.

Good on them. Wasn't the point of circumcision to reduce the risk of disease in the first place?

You can when you're not busying yourself with work Its a nice day. JB, reer Hargaisa party baa waalaey dee

For Oz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Uu7hC7JIB4 Ngonge, I'm gutted. Was waiting for Meireles to get back to form.

Afternoon all. Maxaa cusub? Juxa, we went to a Eid fun fair in Kingsbury a couple of days ago. Kids had fun. We got tired Today its London Eye.