The newest trend - xaliimos marrying chinese

[Classified]

One last question Safferz, what do you think of Irshad Manji? Also, is it okay in Islam (be it religiously or in Islamic Shariah) to be a homosexual/lesbian? Have in mind that Irshad Manji advocates for a total reform/overhaul in Islam/Quran, so to speak.

[Oiler]

Classified;982307 wrote:

One last question Safferz, what do you think of Irshad Manji? Also, is it okay in

Islam

(be it religiously or in Islamic Shariah) to be a homosexual/lesbian? Have in mind that Irshad Manji advocates for a total reform/overhaul in Islam/Quran, so to speak.

The 2nd question has been answered:

Safferz;978380 wrote:

I identify with the far left, and I support same sex marriage as a civil right, though I think there are more important issues for LGBTQ people.

She's entitled to her opinions.

[Classified]

^ WTF! *Jaw dropped*

 

So, is it safe to say that Safferz is not a Muslim?

[Safferz]

^^ lol!

 

Oiler;982308 wrote:

The 2nd question has been answered:

 

She's entitled to her opinions.

Well no, not quite, unless you conflate civil law with religious law. Classified also conflates behaviour (what Islam and religions in general try to regulate) with feelings, desires, thoughts, etc. He seems the type to tell a gay Muslim not to bother praying, because "you can't be gay and Muslim," but wouldn't say that to his friend with a girlfriend, or a Muslim who drinks and parties.

 

And I can't stand Irshad Manji.

[Hawdian]

Classified;982309 wrote:

^ WTF! *Jaw dropped*

 

So, is it safe to say that

Safferz

is not a Muslim?

Taas inn la cadeeyo weeyan wayo qoofka maarku yidhaaho waxas baa diinta Allah SWT ka badalaya waa marku waada qalad kuu socodoo.

[Classified]

Safferz;982312 wrote:

^^ lol!

 

 

 

Well no, not quite, unless you conflate civil law with religious law. Classified also conflates behaviour (what Islam and religions in general try to regulate) with feelings, desires, thoughts, etc. He seems the type to tell

a gay Muslim

not to bother praying, because "you can't be gay and Muslim," but wouldn't say that to his friend with a girlfriend, or a Muslim who drinks and parties.

 

And I can't stand Irshad Manji.

A gay muslim? lol

[Oiler]

This debate is not going anywhere, people lie about the religion all the time, and introduce innovations. Remember God causes whomsoever He wills to stray in error, and sets whomsoever He wills on the straight way.

[Classified]

Oiler;982318 wrote:

This debate is not going anywhere, people lie about the religion all the time, and introduce innovations. Remember God causes whomsoever He wills to stray in error, and sets whomsoever He wills on the straight way.

+1

 

I'm not looking for debate. Just shining light amongst the individuals within us claiming to be Muslim, like the likes of Irshad Manji and her "crusaders of reform".

[Safferz]

Hawdian;982316 wrote:

Taas inn la cadeeyo weeyan wayo qoofka maarku yidhaaho waxas baa diinta Allah SWT ka badalaya waa marku waada qalad kuu socodoo.

Maybe if you spent more time reading and thinking about Islam's rich intellectual history and browsed various fiqh rulings, you'd know anything I've said in this thread - that some issues are not black and white, and Islamic scholars debate these questions - pales in comparison to you and Classified's takfir, which is explicitly haram.

[Classified]

Safferz;982320 wrote:

Maybe if you spent more time reading and thinking about Islam's rich intellectual history and browsed various fiqh rulings, you'd know anything I've said in this thread - that some issues are not black and white, and Islamic scholars debate these questions - pales in comparison to you and Classified's takfir, which is explicitly haram.

I didn't make any takfir. Just asked a question regarding your authenticity in claiming to be a Muslim; "Is it safe to say that Safferz is not a Muslim?".

[Safferz]

Classified;982321 wrote:

I didn't make any takfir. Just asked a question regarding your authenticity in claiming to be a Muslim; "Is it safe to say that Safferz is not a Muslim?".

lol sometimes I'm not sure if you're being dense on purpose. What's the difference between calling someone gaalo and questioning their "authenticity in claiming to be a Muslim"?

[Hawdian]

Quote Originally Posted by Safferz View Post

Like I said, there's no scholarly consensus so some may say it goes both ways, others say it does not. Hassan Al-Turabi is a well known Sudanese sheikh and political figure.

 

Hawdian;982306 wrote:

Could You list the Scholars you Follow Expect Mr.Turabi Since Its clear in Main Stream Sunni islam that A Muslim women Can Not marry A NonMuslim. Man.

 

thanks.

 

I am still Waiting for The Answer to Above Question.

Nor Am I making Judgement on YOU or anyone .

[Safferz]

I don't "follow" anyone and I don't owe you a response, Hawdian. Go back to your boys' club.

[Classified]

Safferz;982329 wrote:

I don't "follow" anyone and I don't owe you a response, Hawdian. Go back to your boys' club.

By "follow", he meant the scholars that you accept. And, by "accept", he meant their teachings. By "teachings", he meant their approach to Islamic jurisprudence which should be in line with mainstream Islam. So, who are they?

[Wadani]

Safferz;982302 wrote:

Just like the Xalimo and Chinese guy are both Americans, or whatever. What's your point? Zaid was a black slave in Mecca.

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That's not right. He was a slave, but not black. He was an ethnic Arab.