Richard Dawking mocked the Muslim World's intellectual inferiority

[Khayr]

Allyourbase,

 

They are boycotted because of

their affliation with Islam.

Whether you or a Salafi thinks

that it is a Muslim nation is pointless.

[Guje]

Khayr;990716 wrote:

Allyourbase,

 

They are boycotted because of

their affliation with Islam.

Whether you or a Salafi thinks

that it is a Muslim nation is pointless.

and explain to me why north korea is under sanctions ??

[Khayr]

NK doesn't like the U.S.

They pose a viable threat to the G8. If you are a threat to the G8 and its friends, you get sanctioned.

[Khayr]

If you are a threat to Issrael,

you get bombed and sanctioned and your scientists get murdered.

[Guje]

of course if your threaten them they will bomb and murder your scientists, so what is your point ??

[Wing Wizard]

DoctorKenney;990599 wrote:

That is a lie, you don't know any of our Sheikhs, so it's best that you just stick to what you know, and avoid discussing topics you know nothing about.

I know them inside out, brother. It's easy for me to post the countless fatwas banning the women drivers, basic scientific evidences like the roundness of the earth, or the teaching of the evolution theory (not that I believe evolution is anything other than hypothesis, but still it shouldn't be banned from being thought in schools).

 

Allyourbase;990611 wrote:

Oh, so now Iran is a Muslim country?!

I thought they were Shia dirty Kafir

according to all of you Wahabis.

In a parallel universe of Wahabism, Iran is a mushrik state. They're below Israel in the statu quo of dirtiness.

[DoctorKenney]

Wing Wizard;990784 wrote:

I know them inside out, brother. It's easy for me to post the countless fatwas banning the women drivers, basic scientific evidences like the roundness of the earth, or the teaching of the evolution theory (not that I believe evolution is anything other than hypothesis, but still it shouldn't be banned from being thought in schools).

First of all, don't "brother" me. Second of all, anyone on the internet can go "fatwa shopping" and find strange statements from obscure Sheikhs, and then claim that this is representative of the countless thousands of Sheikhs worldwide. If you believe that this is representative of their collective beliefs, then give me evidence stating so.

 

I can find Sheikhs claiming that Homosexuality is permitted in Islam. Doesn't mean it's true. It's such a basic and weak argument, that it doesn't require any thinking.

 

The vast majority of scholars, men such as Ibn Taymiyyah, Qayyim, Abdul Wahhab, and even contemporary Sheikhs like Albaani and Al Uthaymeen and Al Munajjid state otherwise. But according to you, you want to overlook the vast examples stating otherwise and focus on a select few which confirm your bias.

 

Pathetic.

[Guje]

You can easily get your point across without hyperventilating in every one your posts ok, calm down and stop being *****y waryaa.:mad:

[Khayr]

Guj,Wingless and OffBase

 

If you don't have a clear and concise point to be made,

then stop trolling.

Your shallow knowledge of the Deen is clear us. You just recycle the rhetoric of the average

identity-less person. You don't know your own history,

so you recant and preach the history that Google

and Facebook has taught you.

[Khayr]

Spart,

 

Syria is a mess and everyone is entrenched in their sectarian ways. However; that does not negate how the world views Iran - A Theocracy!

Anyways, all these

things are tangents.

[DoctorKenney]

Khayr;990809 wrote:

Guj,Wingless and OffBase

 

If you don't have a clear and concise point to be made,

then stop trolling.

Your shallow knowledge of the Deen is clear us. You just recycle the rhetoric of the average

identity-less person. You don't know your own history,

so you recant and preach the history that Google

and Facebook has taught you.

Bro, the worst is when they attempt to pass their shallow knowledge of the Deen as fact. And then they try to deceive common Muslims to think like them.

 

I recall once I witnessed a Man trying to convince this 14 year old Somali girl (who didn't know any better) that in Islam, it's permitted to have sexual relations with animals (I know, it's disgusting)

 

Naturally, the young Somali girl was awestruck, she didn't know any better, and she didn't know how to respond. I had to step in and respond, and refute this coward, putting him in his place. But this type of stuff goes on everyday in America. People lie to those who are vulnerable, and the vulnerable ones don't know any better. It could be that they even lead a few Muslims away from their Deen, based on premises that are nothing but lies.

 

So I have no tolerance for people like Wing Wizard. Because he just made a blatant lie against Islam and then he tried to pass it off as a fact. And what if someone is viewing this forum, reads what he writes, and then becomes convinced of his arguments? Why should I respect someone who tries to mislead others from the Way of Allah through nothing but lies and false statements? If they want to debate, fine. If they have objections, that's fine. But if they make a blatant lie, knowing full well that it's a lie, then I am not obligated to treat them well.

[Guje]

DoctorKenney;990834 wrote:

I recall once I witnessed a Man trying to convince this 14 year old Somali girl (who didn't know any better) that in Islam, it's permitted to have sexual relations with animals (I know, it's disgusting)

 

Naturally, the young Somali girl was awestruck, she didn't know any better, and she didn't know how to respond.

I had to step in and respond, and refute this coward, putting him in his place

. .

I really doubt this story transpired, please be truthful. thx

[Allyourbase]

DoctorKenney;990788 wrote:

First of all, don't "brother" me. Second of all, anyone on the internet can go "fatwa shopping" and find strange statements from obscure Sheikhs, and then claim that this is representative of the countless thousands of Sheikhs worldwide. If you believe that this is representative of their collective beliefs, then give me evidence stating so.

 

I can find Sheikhs claiming that Homosexuality is permitted in Islam. Doesn't mean it's true. It's such a basic and weak argument, that it doesn't require any thinking.

 

The vast majority of scholars, men such as

Ibn Taymiyyah

,

Qayyim

,

Abdul Wahhab

, and even contemporary Sheikhs like

Albaani

and

Al Uthaymeen

and

Al Munajjid

state otherwise. But according to you, you want to overlook the vast examples stating otherwise and focus on a select few which confirm your bias.

 

Pathetic.

Okay everyone, lets collectively have a good look at Kenny's heros, and specifically those he personally mentioned in the post quoted above. I want to do this just so you see the quality of those that the guy looks up to and their level of intellect. Now please ask yourself what sort of a person would result from the uninhibited consumption of what the 'Shiekhs' above have devoted their sorry lives to, especially in relation to the sciences which is what this thread is all about.

 

Lets begin:

 

Al Uthaymeen:

 

ولكن الشأن كل الشأن فيما يذكر من أن الأرض تدور وأن الشمس ثابتة وأن اختلاف الليل والنهار يكون بسبب دوران الأرض حول الشمس

فإن هذا القول باطل

يبطله ظاهر القرآن فإن ظاهر القرآن والسنة يدل على أن الذي يدور حول الأرض أو يدور على الأرض هي الشمس

Who basically states that 'It is apparent from the Islamic evidences that they confirm that it is the sun which revolves around the earth, and by its revolving the alternation of night and day takes place on the surface of the earth.'

 

He calaims that the Earth is stationary and it is in fact the Sun that rotates around the earth thus causing the alternation of night and day. Please note that we are not talking about a man who lived 500 years ago, he died very recently in 2001!

 

If you would like to read his text in full please check his official website:

http://www.ibnothaimeen.com/all/noor/article_6463.shtml

 

Moving on to Ibn Baz:

 

"In his 1966 article, ibn Baz did claim that the sun orbited the earth, and that "the earth is fixed and stable, spread out by God for mankind and made a bed and cradle for them, fixed down by mountains lest it shake".[30] As a result of the publication of his first article, ibn Baz was ridiculed by Egyptian journalists as an example of Saudi primitiveness ... In 1982 Ibn Baz published a book, Al-adilla al-naqliyya wa al-ḥissiyya ʿala imkān al-ṣuʾūd ila al-kawākib wa ʾala jarayān al-shams wa al-qamar wa sukūn al-arḍ ("Treatise on the textual and rational proofs of the rotation of the sun and the motionlessness of the earth and the possibility of ascension to other planets"). In it, he republished the 1966 article, together with a second article on the same subject written later in 1966, and repeated his belief that the sun orbited the earth."

 

He was uttering such lunacy as recently as 1966!

 

How about Ibn Baz?

 

Well, he is one of the greatest supporters of the suckling of grown men. Which is a very strange theory/loophole in Islam. He basically believes that if there is a man and a woman whom are not related who want to be able to shake hands (what?!) and interact like you would with your mother or sister (i.e. see hair, touch..etc) then it is permissible to get that strange man to suckle on the woman's tit, an act that will magically make him permissible to her (i know!). You can hear him yourself here:

 

 

How about Al Munjid?

 

Well this religious thug believes that hurricane Sandy Is Allah's Punishment for Afghanistan and Iraq. So basically Allah condemning faasiq and faajir westerners by sending these 'signals' to the muslim nations to start believing.

 

Watch him here:

 

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/3631.htm

 

 

 

Such is the level of intellect of those whom our lost brothers Khayr and Kenny follow, its so sad

 

I will pray for you labadiinaba

[Allyourbase]

And just so you put a face to the names, here are some of the 'Shiekhs' that Kenny mentioned in his post, and I am using my own discretion in adding Aal Sheekh, Saudi Arabia's Mufti as well:

 

 

 

 

 

When young, educated men like our friends Khayr and Kenny follow these guys whom are ignorant of basic ideas that govern our universe, things you learn in primary 1, and take them as spiritual guides, what hope do we have as peoples?

 

If that is not a form of Arab imperialism, I do not know what is.

[Allyourbase]

I choose not to believe in these guys, and not to believe in their ignorance and hate. I am tired of listening to weird Arabic garbage from my people day in day out, and whenever I voice my objections I am labeled anti Islam and anti dhaqan, which in itself is a laughable claim. I do not mind the form of islam practiced by our parents and grandparents even if I do not believe in it, but it was a spiritual path that allowed people to practice and act how they wanted without fear of persecution by thought or dress police. The only reason we are seeing this alien, ugly form of religion imposed on us today is because we are poor, needy and weak. They use their deep pockets to bring us closer to their sick ideology.

 

And that, I REFUSE.