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Carafaat madaxweyne hassan sheikh wa madaxweynaha ugu horeyey eeh arinta Somaliland iyo Somalia si fiican u ta tabtay.

 

Wa Madaxweynaha aanu ka qornay Midnimada jamhuuriyadi Somalida Qasab kuma iman.

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President Hasan of Somalia ready for Somaliland talks Resumption

 

Sunday, 16 September 2012 07:57

 

President Hasan wnats talks resumption

 

MOGADISHU (Somalilandsun) – The internationally sanctioned talks between Somaliland and Somalia have termed as appropriate.

Then newly elected president of Somalia Hassan Sheikh Mahmud said this during an interview with the VOA in Mogadishu where he also informed that security was his priority number one.

Stressing on the importance of the talks between the countries, President Hassan Sheikh Mahmud, who replaces sheikh Sharif said that his administration would re-engage Somaliland as a follow to the past and successful discussions held with the outgoing TFG government.

"Although am all for unity, Somaliland's sovereignty should not be belittled thus forced to rejoin the south but enticed through friendly means" Said president Hasan

Perceived as a political moderate the academic president congratulated the governments of Somaliland and the outgoing TFG for initiating the talks between the former united nations that have not seen eye to eye in 21 years.

He said that the talks suspended by Somaliland authorities awaiting a TFG replacement government would resume as soon as possible for the sake of establishing humane rapport as well as for the greater good of the Horn of Africa region.

Incoming Somali President Hassan Sheikh Mahmud, the target of an assassination attempt earlier this week, says restoring security will be his first order of business once he officially assumes office Sunday.

Mahmud spoke Saturday to VOA from the country's heavily fortified presidential palace in Mogadishu where He arrived, three days early, under heavy security hours after three suicide bombers attacked a Mogadishu hotel where he was residing. At least four people, including all three bombers, were killed.

The first Somali President selected in Somalia soil in 21 years said his first presidential priority would be to determine why so many young Somali men and women have sought to join the outlawed al-Shabaab militant group. He said his administration would then try to create what he called "opportunities for them to defect from [the] al-Shabaab group." He also called on militants to leave Somalia voluntarily as soon as possible.

Speaking of the assassination attempt, Mr. Mahmud said he knew he would be facing serious risks when he decided to seek the presidency. Nevertheless, he said the attack would not deter him from upcoming duties.

Mahmud, elected September 10, takes over a country that has not had a stable central government since 1991. However, hopes for peace and stability are rising. Al-Shabaab has lost most of its major strongholds to African Union and Somali government forces, and peace has largely returned to Mogadishu, which endured years of almost daily fighting.

Last month, Somali leaders adopted a new constitution and installed a new federal parliament and speaker.

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Carafaat   

Xaaji Xunjuf;870470 wrote:
Carafaat madaxweyne hassan sheikh wa madaxweynaha ugu horeyey eeh arinta Somaliland iyo Somalia si fiican u ta tabtay.

 

Wa Madaxweynaha aanu ka qornay Midnimada jamhuuriyadi Somalida Qasab kuma iman.

Xaaji Xunjufoow, waa runtaa. Madaxweyne Hassan, waa nin wax garad ah oo arinta si fiican u taabtay. Toloow meeyay Mintid Farayare. Wax mar ah ma ka heysa?

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NGONGE   

Early days, XX. It's all good talk now but it may all collapse due to some trivial rubbish or some such.

 

The new president of Somalia speaks well on most topics.

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N.O.R.F   

These 'talks' will continue but nothing will come out of them. Not for a while at least. Somaliland at the moment think it can pull out at anytime but they're mistaken. They won't be allowed to pull out by the powers that be until there is a full settlement. Somalia will delay things until their house is in order.

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NGONGE I know its just a start for now NORF in the next talks there should be some sort of time schedule for these talks to reach an agreement.The international community knows that and they do not want these talks to fail.

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No one wants the talks to fail. Both side want it to go their way and the int community want an amicable agreement. The problem with the SL govnt is that they believe they can pull out at anytime (which they can of course) but the longer the talks go on the more attention they receive and the more 'add ons' each party gets. Those add ons and incentives may prove to be too much to lose out on if the talks fail.

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Somaliland Oo Soo Dhawaysay Hadal Ka Soo Yeedhay Madaxwaynaha Cusub Ee Somaliya, Uguna Baaqday Inuu Madax-banaanida Somaliland Garowshiiyo Ka Bixiyo

 

Hargeysa (Ramaas) Sept 17,2012 – Dawlada Somaliland ayaa soo dhawaysay hadal diblumaasiyadeed oo ka soo yeedhay Madaxwaynaha cusub ee Somaliya Xasan Sheekh Maxamuud, kaasi oo uu ku sheegay inay sii ambo-qaadayaan wada-hadaladii hore ugu furmay labada dal.

 

Wasiirka wasaarada arimaha dibada Somaliland Dr Maxamed Cabdilaahi Cumar, ayaa sheegay inay soo dhawaynayaan hadalka Madaxwaynaha Somaliya oo uu ku tilmaamay inuu ahaa mid taxadar badani ka muuqday, balse waxa uu tilmaamay in Madax-banaanida Somaliland tahay mid ku timid rabitaanka shacabka reer Somaliland oo aanay ka noqosho lahayn.

 

Wasiirka arimaha dibada Somaliland waxa uu sheegay in Midnimadii hore aanay ahayn mid ku timid khasab iyo jujuub, imikana aanay ku iman Karin, loona baahan yahay in Somaliya Madax-banaanida Somaliland garowshiiyo ka bixiso “Waanu soo dhawaynaynaa hadalka Madaxwaynaha cusub, hadalkiisa waxa ka muuqday taxadar faro badan iyo ka fiirsasho badan”ayuu yidh, waxaanu intaa ku daray isaga oo sheegay inay soo dhawaynayaan wada-hadalada uu sheegay Madaxwaynaha cusub inay sii ambo-qaadayaan “Arintaasi waanu soo dhawaynaynaa, waxaanuna rajaynaynaa inaanu Madaxwaynaha cusub aanu is-aragno marka ay suurto-gasho”

 

Wasiirka oo la waydiiyay in Madaxwaynaha Somaliya sheegay inay Somaliland kala hadlayaan Midnimo dambe, ayaa ku jawaabay “Madax-banaanidu waa mid ku salaysan rabitaanka shacbiga, Somaliyana arintaasi waa inay garowshiiyo ka bixisaa”ayuu yidhi isaga oo intaasi raaciyey “Midnimadu maaha mid jujuub ah, maaha arin khasab ku timid markii hore, imikana ku imanaysa, mowqifka Somaliland maaha mid isbedal ku yimid, taasina suurto-gal maaha”

 

Dr Maxamed Cabdilaahi Cumar, waxa uu tilmaamay in aanay hadda furnayn dood laga yeesho Midnimo dhex marta labada dal “Arintaasina (Midnimo) maaha mid hadda doodeedu furan tahay, laakiin wax wada qabsi iyo laba wadan oo jaar ah loo heli lahaa weeyaan”ayuu yidhi.

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N.O.R.F;870558 wrote:
No one wants the talks to fail. Both side want it to go their way and the int community want an amicable agreement. The problem with the SL govnt is that they believe they can pull out at anytime (which they can of course) but the longer the talks go on the more attention they receive and the more 'add ons' each party gets. Those add ons and incentives may prove to be too much to lose out on if the talks fail.

There were already two previous talks held in London and Dubai between Somaliland and Somalia lots of talks about talks i think we are now at the stage we address the real issues between Somaliland and Somalia. And i dont think Somaliland will pull out nor Somalia will do that.They know what is at stake both parties know that and the international community will not let that happen.

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Shinbir Majabe;870587 wrote:
Xaaji, bal saadaal ka bixi.. maxaa ugu danbeyn imaan kara? malaga yaabaa labada dhinac iney sameeyaan tanaasul aad u weyn?

Wax walba filo in meel dhexe la iskugu yimado wa fiicnaan lahayd balse weynu eegi halkay ku danbeyso for instance Somalia oo midnimada Somaliland iyo Somalia dib rabta inay u soo nooleyaan maxay ku qancin karan reer Somaliland dawlad iyo shacab baa. Dadka reer Somaliland eeh raba gooni isutaaga iyo dawlada Somaliland maxay ku qancin karan shacabka Somalia iyo dawlada Somalia, Waxyalahaaso dhan wa inaynu is weydino.

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Carafaat   

Xaaji Xunjuf;870590 wrote:
Wax walba filo in meel dhexe la iskugu yimado wa fiicnaan lahayd balse weynu eegi halkay ku danbeyso for instance Somalia oo midnimada Somaliland iyo Somalia dib rabta inay u soo nooleyaan maxay ku qancin karan reer Somaliland dawlad iyo shacab baa. Dadka reer Somaliland eeh raba gooni isutaaga iyo dawlada Somaliland maxay ku qancin karan shacabka Somalia iyo dawlada Somalia, Waxyalahaaso dhan wa inaynu is weydino.

 

Xaaji ma isleedahay ina la heli karo hal wado oo labadaba

lagu heli karo, midnimo iyo madax banaanid?

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Carafaat way dhici karta wa in wixi step step loo kala qeexa oo marba jid la mara marka jidkaas ayaa hadi la maro kooxda midnimada doonkuna ku qanci karaan kooxda Gooni isutaagana ay ku qanci karan.. Siyasaasada inta badan carafaadow its not what it seems.

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LANDER   

The Sage;869858 wrote:
Noted. However I was making the point was that judging by the few statements already made by the President, it indicates that he will be approaching the issue from a more nuanced and deliberative perspective than his predecessors. What that will ultimately spell for Somalia-Somaliland relations is unknown but it will surely be interesting to watch.

agreed.

 

 

 

Carafaat,

 

I have no clue what to make of what you said for one there is no tangible difference, you say tone, approach,vision etc... that doesn't make for any tangible departure from the past. Since you're among the 'confused lot' perhaps what a major difference for you means is some southern politician who praises Somaliland. Remains I am the least bit excited about anything this man has to say concerning Somaliland, I'm probably not gonna watch anymore of his interviews. 18 000 thousand AU troops keep a fragile peace and a Somalia that needs its government infrastructure rebuilt from the ground up, he has his word cut out for him may Allah help him and guide him Inshallah. The only thing I think is worth noting during that interview, when he said he 'didn't know why Somaliland was being discussed before he was even elect or even so early when there is so much more to do'. It shows he understands there are clear priorities for his mandate and that he won't be just another loose talking somali politician.

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DAWLADDA MARAYKANKA OO SI TAXADAR LEH UGA HADASHAY WADA HADALKA SOMALILAND & SOMALIYA IYO HADALKII MADAXWEYNAHA CUSUB EE QORSHAHAN KHUSEEYA

 

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Nayrobi(WNN)-Dawladda Maraykanka ayaa si uu taxadar ka muuqdo uga hadashay wada hadalka u bilaabmay dawladaha Somaliland iyo Somaliya iyo weliba dhawaqa madaxweynaha cusub ee Somaliya uu ku sheegay inuu wada hadalka la sii wadayo Somaliland.

Danjire James Swan, oo ah safiirka dalka Maraykanka u qaabilsan Somaliland iyo Somaliya balse uu xafiiskiisu yahay magaalada Nayrobi ee dalka Kenya, ayaa shirjaraa’id oo uu dhawaan ku qabtay magaalada Nayrobi ee dalka Kenya, wuxuu ku sheegay in wejigii hore ee wada hadalka labada dal lagu qorsheeyay sidii uu wada xaajood wax ku ool ahi u dhici lahaa mustaqbalka, waxaanu tilmaamay in wejiga labaad ee wada hadalka labada dal lagu qeexi doono shuruudaha wada xaajoodka Somaliland iyo Somaliya. Xigasho CNN

 

Mid ka mid ah saxafiyiintii shirka jaraa’id ka qayb gashay ayaa safiirka weydiiyay maadaama Madaxweynaha cusub ee Somaliya Xasan Sheekh Maxamuud balan qaaday inuu sii wadi doono wada xaajoodkii Somaliland iyo Somaliya, waxyaabaha uu danjire ahaan ka filan karo wada hadalkaas, wuxuu safiirka oo u muuqday inuu taxadar badan muujinayaa su’aashaas kaga jawaabay,

 

“Wada hadaladii u dhexeeyey Somaliland iyo xukuumada Muqdisho ee Ingiriiska iyo Norway fududeeyeen, ayaa muhiimadii ugu horeysay ee wada hadaladaasi noqdeen kuwo lagu qorsheeyo sida mustaqbalka wada xaajood wax ku ool ahi u dhici lahaa. Sidoo kale, waxaan filaynaa in qorshahaasi sii socon doono, iyagoo ku dhisan sidii bilowgii ay ku heshiiyeen, kuna bilaabi doonaan inay qorshe dhigtaan, oo bilowga la cadeyn doono qodobada wada xaajoodka mustaqbalka lagu soo qaadan doono. Laakiin, taasi waxay u muuqataa mid ku soo kordhaysa hawlahii labada dhinac oo xilligan bilaabaya inay qeexaan shuruudaha wada xaajoodkaa.”

 

Dawladda Somaliland ayaa soo dhawaysay hadal uu Madaxweynaha cusub ee Somaliya ku sheegay inuu sii wadayo wada hadalkii ay dawladii ka horaysay la bilowday Jamhuuriyadda Somaliland.

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