SayidSomal Posted March 21, 2012 ^^yeah right - i think you would have been the third one - bolting thru the door before you even smelled the manure - that is if you even went around adventuring around farms in the first place - knowing how scare you are about the countryside (with its snakes and all that) I am quite frankly suprised you are going back to black mamba country - it must be the beatiful ladies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGONGE Posted March 21, 2012 ^^ It's actually the easy going weather and mad atmosphere. Hope is good. It is what keeps all of us alive, saaxib. Tomorrow will always be a good day and all that. However, hoping for something and achieving that something are too different things. When I see young people like Chimara talking the way they do, I too have hope for the future. But, at the same time, I have to burst their bubble with a few choice words to show them that empty hope is neither here nor there. That (cliche) thousand mile journey requires a first step and such first steps don't come from posting your dreams on Somali sights yearning for the old days. It comes from translating your ideas into action and doing something about it. I have a friend who is from SL. He too talks in this dreamy way that Chimara does and is forever talking about what a great people the Somalis are and how far they WILL go in the world, etc. Well, the only difference between them (and you and all the other dreamers) is that this guy has set up a Somali political party and is trying to build up a following (note: Somali not Somaliland). Of course, even with him, I do my best to temper his excitement and remind him what a cruel and unreasonable world we live in. But do I turn my nose up at his efforts? Not at all. I value and appreciate that he's a man who is going after his dream (even though it politically clashes with my beliefs). A "can do" attitude is not just a saying, saaxib. Wax fahan. This is also the reason I gave that Bakri (or was it Bokor?) nomad a hard time at first but left him alone when I realised he had a job with the UN in Afghanistan. Everyone talks a good game, you see (even the wretched Sharif) but only few go and do something about it. Marka, close your eyes and enjoy the hope but, if you're serious, try to do something about it when you open your eyes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SayidSomal Posted March 21, 2012 Have you heard what they sing in Burco? Here is the lyrics: Haddii aabbo arada luuliyo Aabbo laaga dahaabo lee furo ku ladnaani maaye laxow kama bogsanayee duco aabe ii luug labiska iyo raaxada libin uma arkaaye lurka iyo gaajada lugta socodka waan bari aabbo lugta socodka waan bari aabo la halmaale leeylee aabbo lumaye leewaa aabbo larayo nafteeydii kuliibaane tahriibka :D Marka saxiib, stop bursting their little bubbles and instead offer kind words of encouragement and some duco in Carabic - Haddii kale you'll come across nothing more than disgruntled old men who has no hope left in his body. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGONGE Posted March 21, 2012 ^^ They'll only get depressed when reality dawns in, saaxib. I'm only lighting a torch in their way so that they don't fall for the same old stuff you fell for. Remember barigaad qurbaha timid? Wax baro baa lagu yedhi, so that you can go back home and build the country back. You wen to Uni, you studied and you dreamt. In fact, you are still dreaming twenty years later but did you go back? Did you build? Did you heck! Naga daa dee. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chimera Posted March 21, 2012 Carafaat;807190 wrote: Chimera, interesting thread. I think this idea is stimulating, realistic and achievable. But for Somali to unite an see the Somali state as the ultimate clan, one needs to formulate a common greater goal. Like clans unite for a bigger goal, power, political domination or conquering cities also Somali's could unite as a clan against the world or Africa. But for this to happen our goal has to be a bigger ambition, bigger vision andwith a Somali message what ever this might be, Truth be told, many Somalis did see the Somali State as the ultimate clan and did unite for a certain period of time to achieve a common goal (five-star agenda) but the lack of rewards in terms of national victories due to superpower interference and corruption by the state itself turned this feeling of unity back into archaic clannism. Pan-Somalism is a very noble concept which has the ability to provide that specific platform that we need to reach a higher plateau in development, but the major powers of the world made it clear several times in the past that they under no circumstance will support Pan-Somalism if it means going against their surrogate African countries like Ethiopia and Kenya, but neo-Pan-Somalism need not be militaristic in nature, for the time being atleast. Somalis need to become a power in their own right like their ancestors were by developing their cities, by creating a bigger trade-network, by having major alliances with rising powers and steadily outperform the entire region. If you placed modern Malaysia with all of its economic weight and military strength in our region, it would be the most powerful country (and its far from being the most powerful country in the world). What does Malaysia have that we don't? They were poorer than us for the majority of their history, their landscape is not riddled with ancient and medieval cities, our country is! Their ancestors weren't mentioned by the Ancient Egyptians, Romans, Greeks and Persians as being major traders, but our people were! What happened? Lack of faith in ourselves is what happened. I think we could learn something from Rwanda and its neo pan African message of development by and for Africans. Lol, hell no! Kagame is 70s Siad Barre; an African leader the world is impressed with because of progress in development, but that's not the kind of government Somalia needs, because the administration in Rwanda is a dictatorship and we need to go beyond that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SayidSomal Posted March 21, 2012 Yes, i went back (first in the family i may add) Yes, I helped to build and continue to maintain and Yes still day dreaming - why not - keeps the derpession away. and fyi - it has only been 17 years More importantly - what school did you went to - where they taught negative remarks equal to 'lighting a torch in their way'?? Naga daa dee saxiib - you should ask for your refund from that school Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chimera Posted March 21, 2012 NGONGE, I resent that for I'm a realist too! Just because I keep my private life private doesn't mean I don't intend to walk the walk, however there is no point in going back with 30k and do little to nothing. I intend to return with a bigger sum of money and for that I need to stay put for the time being. I'm not a political creature and have no interest of ever entering that landscape, however I think the soft-power that I will unleash in the form of cultural items might get me a greater audience than a politician ever could. These dreamy topics of mine are highly contagious, and in real life they have managed to convert qabiilists, regionalists, seccessionists, and islamists into Pan-Somalists, so don't grudge me my little bandwidth on SOL lol, it's all I have for now until my carefully structured products filled with dreams and ideas can be mass disseminated to the people. Then you going to have alot of dreamers, you've seen nothing yet! Archdemos;807551 wrote: Great post Chimera , as usual you’re emitting positivism. The potential for Somalia to succeed and surpass its neighbours has always been there it’s just that we are severely lacking on the human capital front. For every skilled 'Abdi' that decides to go back and invest there are countless more who will opt for the easier option of staying put. The future success of Somalia will largely depend on being able to convince the large diaspora to uproot. However when peace and a semblance of order returns it will remain to be seen if Somalis will indeed vote with their feet. There is a constant buzz at the moment with a narrative around grandiose restoration ideas, which have unfortunately become banal as they are severely lacking in any kind of foresight and strategy as to how to bring to fruition their ideas. This can be most disheartening, it seems we have a lot of talkers but not many doers. To a certain extent the economic revival of the country is not as crucial as the building of the institutional capacity of a government. For this to work you need a single monopoly over violence and a multi generational investment in education to instill the psychological and physical impression of the state in the psyche of the ordinary currently stateless Somali. This is a monumental task that will overwhelm even the largest of established bureaucracies. There are also questions around how areas like Somaliland can be incentivised back into a union without having to resort to force. With the latter a pragmatic approach must be taken and a working relationship between a SOM gov and the administration in Hargeisa needs to be established. No solutions should be off the table and ideological politics should play second fiddle to the realties of the past two decades. Moreover we may be best served in the immediate by directing our efforts towards coming up with real and tangible solutions to the everyday problems a future Somali government will encounter in the post war space. The relocation of IDP’s, again another herculean effort is needed here and many more problems. The first two decades will be about laying the foundations of a strong government with checks and balances that is built on a social contract with its citizens. We must win back the trust of everyday citizens, and I’m yet to see a detailed manifesto on how this can be achieved. It’s as if all this will materialise once peace returns. To return to your original premise, I don’t doubt Somalia can rebrand itself and who knows maybe in 40 years we will be talking about Somalia as a regional and possibly continental leader. For this to occur we need to put an end to the lethal lack of leadership that has served to maintain the wretched status quo. Excellent reply Arch! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carafaat Posted March 21, 2012 Chimera, agree we need for invent a new form of Pan/Somalism. one that is not based on militarism or is politicly sensitive to our neighbours. One that is based on the values of peace, respect for other human culture and cohabitation, one in which we strive for excelling in trade, education, social and cultural without arrogance, superiority and chauvinism towards others. If we have proved one thing is that Somali live throughout the world in peace with any other culture, without loosing ours or adpting another. a more modest form of pan/Somalism Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted March 21, 2012 Carafaat;807687 wrote: Chimera, agree we need for invent a new form of Pan/Somalism. one that is not based on militarism or is politicly sensitive to our neighbours. One that is based on the values of peace, respect for other human culture and cohabitation , one in which we strive for excelling in trade, education, social and cultural without arrogance, superiority and chauvinism towards others. If we have proved one thing is that Somali live throughout the world in peace with any other culture, without loosing ours or adpting another. a more modest form of pan/Somalism it will take at least another 100 years by that time we are dead Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mario B Posted March 21, 2012 Carafaat;807687 wrote: Chimera, agree we need for invent a new form of Pan/Somalism. one that is not based on militarism or is politicly sensitive to our neighbours. One that is based on the values of peace, respect for other human culture and cohabitation , one in which we strive for excelling in trade, education, social and cultural without arrogance, superiority and chauvinism towards others. If we have proved one thing is that Somali live throughout the world in peace with any other culture, without loosing ours or adpting another. a more modest form of pan/Somalism Well said, and no it wont take 100 yrs @ XX. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carafaat Posted March 21, 2012 Xaaji Xunjuf says 100 years, Archdemos says 40 years till we can build a new nation and a new Somali State. I belief we can do that in 5 to 10 years! How did I come to this estimation. Well we got independance, build a democratic State and then buried it again in 9 years. We became socialist, build the strongest army in Africa and went to a social and economic revolution in 9 years(1969-1978). e resisted a dictatorship, fought for freedom and the whole State and powerfull military collapsed in 9 years(1982-1991). So if we can to through those turbulent abnormal revolutions in less then 10 years, why cant we go through a revolution to normalacy in 10 years? I say we can do it, and you might not notice it but the change has started this year. 2012 baby! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
