LEAKED LONDON MEMO: Somalia is to be partitioned.

[faarah22]

the territorial integrity of somalia will be preserved and the status quo returned ala 1990 trust me on that. not good news for you.

[faarah22]

They will most probably come out of the london conference with some sort of face saving measures. other than that, the territorial integrity of somalia aka the 7 figure will be upheld firmly. don't be disheartened though you will still control your affairs in federal system. this is reality but we can all fantasize and dream like you do in your posts.

[faarah22]

somalia

[faarah22]

not so fast, until the UN and the world officially recogonizes your area, its just fantasy in your head sxb.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Guys it will all come down to negotiations the world in particularly the west is tired of Somalia's problems piracy international terrorism Alqaeda.The biggest obstacle for Somaliland and Somalia to restore bilateral relations is because the world continuously made the mistake that by supporting a government in Mogadishu with Millions of dollars in aid and international support. instead of engaging with Somalilands legal govt and perhaps in the long term with the established ineffective TFG govt in Mogadishu this however requires the needed mechanism to once and for all solve the wars an instabilities in Somalia and restore a government in Somalia which will be effective.The west made the miscalculation by not giving Somaliland and Somalia its equal status even when discussing the dissolution of the union 21 years ago.When ever they try to restore a government in Mogadishu they are knocking on the wrong doors they are trying to fix Mogadishu from London. Gone are the days faraah that Somaliland and Somalia were one country that union is long dissolved. Oodweyne Somaliland statehood is indisputable the leaders in Somaliland know that they know that very well, also why do you think Siilaanyo wanted the entire nation to support him in par taking the conference if he was so certain about his seat he would've not be walking on thin ice. He knows what is at stake and the government of Somaliland just changed its policy when it comes how to deal with Somalia clearly Somaliland has a special status at the conference the brits made that clear but the brits are also not trustworthy when it comes to their deceivisive diplomacy as they did not clarify the aim of the conference a six hour conference we shall see the outcome good luck Somaliland leaders.

[Che -Guevara]

^Nice rationalization

[Mario B]

faarah22;791060 wrote:

not so fast, until the UN and the world officially recogonizes your area, its just fantasy in your head sxb.

They can't take the hint, the International communities have been politely turning them down for years...now that South is showing signs of recovery they are in their last ditch rescue mission to salvage their "Phantom State". :cool:

 

P.s It was amusing to see them brag about the Deputy Uk ambassador to Ethiopia as their new British man for Hargeisa. :eek:

[Mario B]

^^ There is a big difference between Somaliland as the autonomous regions of Somalia and the sovereign "Republic of Somaliland". And yes, the fact on the ground can be changed as demostrated in Buhoodle, but I believe bloodshed is not neccessary. I believe the north and south can solve it's difference peacefully including partition, Landers have been knocking at the wrong Doors !!

[faarah22]

they have to transmutate into another ethnic group. which then can ask for self determination on that basis. but now they are somalis, so are we. its like french asking for independence from france. it ****** right.

[faarah22]

please educate me as to why you want to leave your country? list the points and convince me, am open minded.

[Raamsade]

Old news. Somalia was already partitioned along clan lines, autonomous administrations, secessionist enclaves, Alshabaab, Ahlu-Sunah wal Jameeca, Galmudug, Ximan iyo Xeeb, Dooxada Shabeelle, TFG, Kenya controlled regions, Ethiopia controlled regions, pirates controlled regions, etc. So lets not pretend there is anything to divy up.

 

I have no doubt that nothing but positives will emerge from this conference. Somalia will finally be brought in from the cold after decade plus of isolation and neglect. The world abandoned Somalia in the aftermath of Black Hawk Down fiasco and that didn't help Somalis one iota. In fact, Somalia became safe haven for international fugitives, criminals and terrrorists like Osama bin Laden and Ayman Al-Zwahiri who oddly enough never took their dear Jihad to their native lands of Saudi Arabia and Egypt respectively... but somehow they found willing recipients in Somalia because as you may know Somalia is inhabited by the dumbest people in all of human history. Isolation did Somalia no good.

 

I welcome the re-engagement of the world for a change. And it shouldn't bother us the Brits may have their own ulterior motive for organizing this conference because Somalia's interests and that of Brits mirror each other. The Brits and the world by extension want pirate free Indian Ocean and Red Sea, so do we? The Brits want the defeat of terrorists in Somalia so that their own Muslim population don't go to Somalia to get terrorism training coming back years later to the UK with devastating effect, so do we. The world wants some semblance of law and order in Somalia oversee by semi-competent administration, so do we.

[The Hermet]

Raamsade;791143 wrote:

Old news. Somalia was already partitioned along clan lines, autonomous administrations, secessionist enclaves, Alshabaab, Ahlu-Sunah wal Jameeca, Galmudug, Ximan iyo Xeeb, Dooxada Shabeelle, TFG, Kenya controlled regions, Ethiopia controlled regions, pirates controlled regions, etc. So lets not pretend there is anything to divy up.

 

I have no doubt that nothing but positives will emerge from this conference. Somalia will finally be brought in from the cold after decade plus of isolation and neglect. The world abandoned Somalia in the aftermath of Black Hawk Down fiasco and that didn't help Somalis one iota. In fact, Somalia became safe haven for international fugitives, criminals and terrrorists like Osama bin Laden and Ayman Al-Zwahiri who oddly enough never took their dear Jihad to their native lands of Saudi Arabia and Egypt respectively... but somehow they found willing recipients in Somalia because as you may know Somalia is inhabited by the dumbest people in all of human history. Isolation did Somalia no good.

 

I welcome the re-engagement of the world for a change. And it shouldn't bother us the Brits may have their own ulterior motive for organizing this conference because Somalia's interests and that of Brits mirror each other. The Brits and the world by extension want pirate free Indian Ocean and Red Sea, so do we? The Brits want the defeat of terrorists in Somalia so that their own Muslim population don't go to Somalia to get terrorism training coming back years later to the UK with devastating effect, so do we. The world wants some semblance of law and order in Somalia oversee by semi-competent administration, so do we.

you have high hopes for a conference that will last for 5 hours hahaha..

[Raamsade]

Well, hope is all we have and all that is worth living for.

[Mario B]

The Hermet;791144 wrote:

you have high hopes for a conference that will last for 5 hours hahaha..

And there was me thinking that a new republic was going to be born in the horn of Africa. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Mintid Farayar]

Oodweyne,

 

Your concerns are warranted. Somalia had taken a precipitous decline when it comes to its sovereignty since the formation of the current TFG model in 2004. From that point on, the key decisions regarding the governance of Somalia have been made by outside powers/non-Somalis rather than Somalis themselves. The sacking of Abdullahi Yusuf, various sackings of Prime Ministers, nullification of Parliamentary decisions, significant regions coming under the control of foreign armies, etc., etc., where all decisions taken ultimately by outside non-Somali powers. Somaliland itself fell into this trap of foreign interference when it allowed foreign financing of its elections as well as foreign mediation (whenever Somaliland political parties couldn't agree on a procedural rule in election preparations). There's a reason most countries in this world (with the exception of weak African states) do not allow foreign-financed local NGOs to be registered in their systems due to the external interference in governance the foreign influence brings.

 

This loss of sovereignty will be finally formalized in this Conference with all external actors coming to an agreement among themselves. Somalis will just sign the resolutions/declarations presented to them. Many on this Forum are too blinded by their own parochial interests to see the greater writing on the wall. As a Somali from Somaliland, I see the greater danger these type of conferences/meetings present to all Somalis - a people once known for their fierce independence.

 

I also share your concern regarding Somaliland's participation in the Conference. Without being privy to any of the internal discussions between the British and the Somaliland government, I remain concerned regarding the pressure the British government can bring to bear on current Somaliland government members, given their personal links with the UK. But I'll leave it at that and hope for the best for both Somaliland and Somalia.

 

Insha'Allah, kheyr!