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nuune   

Qansax, Pease have some respect, and stop referring others with qabiil labels, SOL is a platform that is free from qabiil and qabiil labels.

 

If you do care about this Waggalla Xasuuq, do something about it, set up an organization that seeks justice, and get everyone on board instead of blaming other Somalis for the crimes committed by the Kenyan government(even if we have 20 ministers of Somali-Kenyans in the Kenyan Goverrnment, still it is a crime committed by Kenya), Kenya acknowledged that a xasuuq took place, but the fact that the likes of you are yelling about it and blaming other Somalis will not make the Kenyan government open doors for justice and compensation, you are in fact, giving the Kenyan government an easy escape, sooner or later the Kenyan government will say, ooh, this was committed by Somalis, this is in fact what you like to hear, wait and you will hear them saying that.

 

 

At least, lets respect those ku dhintey.

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nuune;917240 wrote:
Qansax
, Pease have some respect, and stop referring others with qabiil labels, SOL is a platform that is free from qabiil and qabiil labels.

 

If you do care about this Waggalla Xasuuq, do something about it, set up an organization that seeks justice, and get everyone on board instead of blaming other Somalis for the crimes committed by the Kenyan government(even if we have 20 ministers of Somali-Kenyans in the Kenyan Goverrnment, still it is a crime committed by Kenya), Kenya acknowledged that a xasuuq took place, but the fact that the likes of you are yelling about it and blaming other Somalis will not make the Kenyan government open doors for justice and compensation, you are in fact, giving the Kenyan government an easy escape, sooner or later the Kenyan government will say, ooh, this was committed by Somalis, this is in fact what you like to hear, wait and you will hear them saying that.

 

 

At least, lets respect those ku dhintey.

I said they did NOTHING as their own people were being killed and that's a fact I did not invent. I also did not invent the simple fact that the most powerful Somalis in government at the time were Cagdheer. That does not make me a qabiilist; it makes me FACTUAL - so get off your high horse and state your counter position clearly or just take a hike.

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nuune   

Is that all you could come up, take a hike(imisa jir ayaad tahey),

 

let me carry this terrible discussion with you for a moment, what should have they done that they didn't do, any evidence that they did NOTHING, you just need to prove to us that the Somali-Kenyans who were in the government did NOTHING at all, sxb, hog dheer baad isku qodeysaa while in fact your knowledge of this region is zero and its history, all your arguments wuxuu iskugu soo shubmey: They did NOTHING, lets us see your evidence and proof to us they did NOTHING at all, we are waiting for you, dear Qansax, and stop writing phrases like take a hike, it will make you so childish, please

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nuune;917242 wrote:
Is that all you could come up, take a hike(imisa jir ayaad tahey),

 

let me carry this terrible discussion with you for a moment, what should have they done that they didn't do,
any evidence that they did NOTHING
, you just need to
prove to us that the Somali-Kenyans who were in the government did NOTHING at all
, sxb, hog dheer baad isku qodeysaa while in fact your knowledge of this region is zero and its history, all your arguments wuxuu iskugu soo shubmey: They did NOTHING, lets us see your evidence and
proof to us they did NOTHING at all
, we are waiting for you, dear
Qansax
, and stop writing phrases like
take a hike
, it will make you so childish, please

You are being childish because you assume I have no knowledge of this region. How on earth did you come to that conclusion? Do you know me?

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galbeedi   

I remember exactly were I was on that tragic in 1984. I was in wajeer or wanla weyn as a national service after high school in

the so-called Gurmad, teaching elementary school in the town. The bbc radio broadcaster explained the the destruction

clearly. After they killed as many as couple of hundred then they took about 400 men to a make shift camp and kept them

for few days. eventually they burned them alive, almost over three hundred people died in that fire. the thing I remember

most is the Somali government did not said a thing. as a young Somali nationalist that did hurt me a lot. I would not say it

was tribal or any thing like that but was shameful the revolutionary government did not raise ther voice. the only thing

I remember most is the bbc kept talking about the tragedy for days.

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galbeedi;917244 wrote:
I remember exactly were I was on that tragic in 1984. I was in wajeer or wanla weyn as a national service after high school in

the so-called Gurmad, teaching elementary school in the town. The bbc radio broadcaster explained the the destruction

clearly. After they killed as many as couple of hundred then they took about 400 men to a make shift camp and kept them

for few days. eventually they burned them alive, almost over three hundred people died in that fire. the thing I remember

most is the Somali government did not said a thing. as a young Somali nationalist that did hurt me a lot. I would not say it

was tribal or any thing like that but was shameful the revolutionary government did not raise ther voice. the only thing

I remember most is the bbc kept talking about the tragedy for days.

The news to the BBC was leaked to them by a very brave Italian nun called Annalena Tonelli.

 

Where is that nuune who thinks he know NFD? There are parliamentary hansards, newspapers, books on Wagalla if you care to read them (which by the way I did and spent a lot of tiem at the Kenya National Archives). They did and said NOTHING. ZERO. ZILCH.

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Apophis   

QansaxMeygaag;917241 wrote:
I said they did NOTHING as their own people were being killed and that's a fact I did not invent. I also did not invent the simple fact that the most powerful Somalis in government at the time were Cagdheer. That does not make me a qabiilist; it makes me FACTUAL - so get off your high horse and state your counter position clearly or just take a hike.

 

Before grown men decide to go against the will of a government they must be aware of the consequence, especially in Africa. Sometimes the consequence is that they win and triumph, like in Somalia, or they don't and they're turned into dust, like in Kenya. The lesson of this tragedy is don't play Russian Roulette if you can't afford to lose. Don't blame cagdheer (whoever they're) but blame the people who gambled with their women and children.

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nuune   
Qansax, please care to provide what I asked for and stop jumping around, at this point, it doesn't concern me how many books or newspapers you have read, again, what I asked for is simple, let every Soler and bystander see and read it: What evidence do you have that they did NOTHING, intaas dhib mey kugu tahey, forget about everything else, and address what I am asking you, haye, we are waiting for you!!

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galbeedi   

Aophis is also right thirty yeas ago Somalis in Kenya including the top leaders were puppets. it is normal for African

leaders to rush those who pose a treat. even then the long foot guys were not that powerful. the only reason some

of them get preferential treatment was that on of them , a general saved Arab Moi from military coup, in return he

was named defense minister. another important factor was the Degoodi were the principle base for the Nfd resistance

helped by the civilian government of Abdirisaaq and Aaden cadde in the sixties. many years latter both communities

were against the Kenyan occupation.

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galbeedi   

another important factor is even few months ago the Kenyan forces killed and burned garisa. of course some people

in the government protested but did not help much. today it is democracy and freedom of speech which allows you

to speak up yet, it did not stop Kenyan troops from killing and burning businesses in Garrisa.

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nuune;917261 wrote:
Qansax
, please care to provide what I asked for and stop jumping around, at this point, it doesn't concern me how many books or newspapers you have read, again, what I asked for is simple, let every SOLer and bystander see and read it: What evidence do you have that they did NOTHING, intaas dhib mey kugu tahey, forget about everything else, and address what I am asking you, haye, we are waiting for you!!

The evidence that they did nothing is there for those with eyes and who want to see. I have directed you to the evidence assuming you are willing to make the intellectual effort to understand what happened and why. You expect me to cut and paste Hansard records onto SOL?

 

Those who know the history of the NFD know these things like the Wagalla Massacre just like nursery kids can sing the wheels of the bus go round and round. It is both codified in records, official and unofficial, and more importantly in the collective memory of thousands of people, just like millions of Muslims can read the Fatiha off-head. Clearly you are not one of them.

 

The Somalis in power at the time "heard no evil, saw no evil". At least SOLers who might not have been familiar with the specifics have made an effort to contextualize what happened within Big Man African dictatorship and what an individual member of that government can or can not do and therefore culpable for, whereas you are not even trying....

 

The fact that you don't know something as Nuune doesn't me it doesn't exist. You are beginning to sound like the nomad who has never seen an Airbus 330 and thinks there is no such thing - an "I haven't seen it ipso facto it doesn't exist" argument. How lame is that! No amount of telling that reer baadiya an Airbus 330 exists will convince him...you are asking me to drag the bloody thing to his little cariish?

 

Go read at least 4 books on Wagalla and the history of the NFD before posting another thread.

 

I am not doing your homework for you buddy. Comment is free, but you need to come from an informed position, not just typing away at the keyboard because you can.

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nuune   

I am sorry dear Qansax, I am reer baadiya and happy about it, but I want what I asked you to provide, car bal wakaasee aan kaa haro, you had more than 8 hours to provide me something I can chew, you failed, and you tell me I am reer baadiya, I am indeedd one BIG reer baadiye who happens to have the necessasry documenation to fly the aircraft you mentioned, that is beside the point anyway just informing you, now, I am going to kill our terrible discussion once you give me at least one simple evidence,even if it is one sentence alone, mise waan iska kaa dhaafaa I think it is better inaan iska kaa dhaafo

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