What the Agenda of April 7th Conference in Nariobi Should be

[xiinfaniin]

What the Agenda of April 7^th Conference in Nariobi Should be:

Transition the south to alshabaab hands (Mogadishu included)

Empower South Central regions

Prepare Puntland, Somaliland and Galmadug to host next Somali government

Tease out practical policy out of Somaliland’s Kalshaale defeat (this is for Oodweyne, anc co)

[General Duke]

^^^Welcome back old man, long time..

[Liqaye]

"Transition the south to alshabaab hands (Mogadishu included)"

 

Or did you mean transition the south FROM alshabaab hands?

[xiinfaniin]

Thanks Duke.

 

Liqaye it means what it reads ...to alshabaab hands! Consider Alshabaab the Hisbulah of Somalia.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

more like the al qaeda or taliban then hizbullah

[xiinfaniin]

You are missing the point, NN. They are Hizbullah or Taliban in the sense that they are part of the conflict with a base that is stronger than the one other disputant have in the south. Ideology, political platform, and other niceties you hear from the NGOs in Nairobi should be secondary to the above mentioned fact.

[N.O.R.F]

Jump the caravan but somehow reel Somaliland into the discussion. Welcome back awoow

[xiinfaniin]

Thanks North.

 

Somaliland is part of Somalia. You tried very hard to be different but as Kalshaale coflict showed you are still part of the larger conflict in Somalia. Will you wise up , sit down with your brethren , and find a solution or will you continue the nonsense of seeking recognition for what essentially is a clan groupings.

[N.O.R.F]

The Kalshala incident is hundreds of years old saxib only this time politicised which escalated the issue (to the benefit of the SSC). Somalia is in no position to sit down with Somaliland. When the time comes I'm ready but it could be too late by then.

 

ps Somalia needs an uprising against Al Kebab not surrender.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Well if it isn't Mr Xiinfinin farasow bal waran so two clans fightings over a disputed territory in the buhoodle district can be compared to the sectarian war in failed Koonfuria? With no functioning Government the past two decades a failed state a nation that was never a nation . Somaliland shall remain an independent country for the next 1000 years nobody can change that.

[Bashiir]

Tinny awakening of Somalia has started. There are tinny revolutionary uprisings that has shifted some regions to new tinny states. People are regrouping. They opted to have their own admin systems. And what's most shocking about the these tinny uprisings is that the people don't care about what the International community has to say even it's with a logical, clearly stated and consistent view. Sometimes it's hard for the Internationale community to realize that Somalia is a big country, where people can create their tinny states and don't want International community meddling in their affairs. The April 7th Conference in Nariobi will probably not have much influence over the composition of the tinny state revolutionary uprisings.

 

If these tinny uprisings fail, don't count Alshabaab out.

[xiinfaniin]

North & Xaaji X,

Politicized or not, the Kalshaale conflict brought the inherent contradictions within secessionist group to the fore. If Somalia is divisible, so is Somaliland---I am sure, more than ever, you guys can now understand that simple proposition.

As for alshabaab, and the strategies of tackling them, for Somali state to be revived, Somali government must have a space to operate from, constituency support (on the ground), and popular (genuine) political platform. TFG in Mogadishu today lacks all three. It has a building and AMISOM troops…that is not enough to challenge alshabaab. What we have in Xamar is a recipe for a never-ending war. It must be rethought…and rethought it will be insha Allah.

Alshabaab phenomenon requires strong contestant in the arena. Insha Allah soon Somalia will have one.

[Gabbal]

Ever since the failure of the Djibouti caravan, it seems Xiin has lost the marbles. When it comes down to where the rubber meets the road, the same entities that set the framework with which Somalia is engaged by the world, i.e international community, have clearly delineated primary and secondary objectives in the seemingly intractable Somalia impasse.

 

Your obsession with bringing Somaliland into the fold or assumptions about the northeast's lack of national activity, or hand I should say, in so far as the official (if symbolic) representation of Somali government is concerned are secondary, if not tertiary issues. Primary issue is counter-terrorism. Somali state-building is generally a secondary issue at this point (the world would very much prefer constructive disengagement if it their desire could be implemented) while such debate concerning unity of the Republic and other going ons as relates to how Puntland can be mustered in are, for all political purposes, tertiary issues as this point.

 

The world knows Hezbullah is not Shabaab and nor is Shabaab even cut from the same cloth as Hezbullah. Hezbullah is part and parcel of a democratic institution that accepts defeat when defeated politically and accommodates, or accepts, the participation of even non-Muslims in the national political fabric. Shabaab is something sinister, more base, more primitive, and hence more virulent in the inability to be engaged. Not only this, but due to the recent prominence of the AQP (Al Qaeda in the Arabic Peninsula) just across the sea, the stakes are higher with respect to the developing consensus concerning the need for eradication of the Shabaab's military, if not political, capacity.

 

Let us stick to reality here. Somalia's importance to the world is the manifestation of what Shabaab victory represents. Somalia does not need to be engaged if the world had the luxury of letting Shabaab take over the national capital, and consolidating control of the more vital part, politically and militarily, of the country.

[Somalina]

Liqaye;707165 wrote:

"Transition the south to alshabaab hands (Mogadishu included)"

 

Or did you mean transition the south FROM alshabaab hands?

Only in a dream will Alshabaab control Mogadishu. Hizbullah or Benghazi rebels it don't matter fact is, terrorist AS will never see the inside of Villa Somalia.

Now that we got that reality out of the way, carry on folks.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

What if Amiir godane just builds his own Villa Somalia some where in daynile or Merca i mean Villa Somalia is not Villa Somalia any more awoow it's now Villa Amisom.