Independence is “up to the people of Somalia to decide,” said Ethiopia’s Foreign Minister

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Kamaavi you and i both know Somaliland is a multi tribal society no need to go back to that. But the song is all about the struggle and a better Ethiopia that's what you guys want right. For all non Tigray Ethiopians including you guys . so it's a good song for zack and co

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Kamaavi the clan state i was referring to was galmudug our good zack is comparing galmudug to Ethiopia

[Che -Guevara]

Ayoub....You are weaving all over the place. There's difference between coexisting peacefully (which we all can agree saved the north from the miseries of the South) and taking the monumental POLITICAL decision to dismember a country. Th elders should be commended to agreeing to peace and saving their people but can they take the political decision to partition Somalia. And for sake of clarity, in the conference that took place, who introduced the motion of separation into the agenda?

 

Jb...You are funny man, so the Garaads can be politicians and dismember Somalia but those very Garaads are not to flirt with politics now?

[Qodax Qorax]

Wasnt Al Shabaab burning the flag of Somalia? And today they are crying about the blue flag of Somalia? cajiib.

[AYOUB]

Che -Guevara;689527 wrote:

Ayoub....You are weaving all over the place. There's difference between coexisting peacefully (which we all can agree saved the north from the miseries of the South) and taking the monumental POLITICAL decision to dismember a country. Th elders should be commended to agreeing to peace and saving their people but can they take the political decision to partition Somalia.

Let's get thing clear from the outset, central government is something foreign and new to Somalis (and some might argue the whole concept is un-Somali.) Secondly, the former failed State that was known as Somali Republic was nothing more than the unified territories of Somaliland and Somalia. Don't make it as thought it is something mentioned in the Noble Qur'an. If the "elders" and the other political, religious, military leaders cannot take the decision to withdraw Somaliland from the union with Somalia, then they did not have the power to unify it with Somalia way back in the 1960 either. You can't have you cake and eat it. Thirdly, if the you're opposing the "elders" decision, why are you also opposing having a referendum in Somaliland?

 

Che -Guevara;689527 wrote:

And for sake of clarity, in the conference that took place, who introduced the motion of separation into the agenda?

The people who called for the withdrawal of Somaliland from the union with Somalia came from a wide spectrum and with different reasons just like those whom wanted to keep the union. Like I've mentioned earlier, the people who were for withdrawal's case was reinforced by USC's decision to form a government without consultation with the people of SL. That's was the straw that broke Mandeeq's back, so to speak even though some of the SNM leadership still wanted to keep SL within Somalia under some sort of federal structure. Demonstrators gathered near the meeting place ] calling for the withdrawal, and the rest is history.

 

The same thing could be said when Somaliland was joining Somalia in 1960. There was also some opposition when Somaliland was being unified with Somalia in 1960. The likes of Cali Garaad Jaamac, Mariano and Xasan Sh. Muumin (AUN all) did not agree with the SL was joining Somalia and for a variety of reasons. Pressure from the elders and demonstrations by the public forced all anti-unification politicians back down. The opposition to the unifications was always there from day one, and the 1961 coup attempt by soldiers from Somaliland who wanted to forcefully withdraw Somaliland from the Somali Republic is just but one example.

 

Most people in Somaliland supported joining Somalia because they believed it would lead to to the unification of all Somali territories. When Djibouti did not join and the Somaliweyn dream and the reasons for the 1960 unification faded with it. The Somali civil war and bad experiences meant Somaliweyn did make sense for a lot people by 1991, but it is false to claim it was the only reason for the break up of the Somali Republic.

 

We're in 2011 and a lot of water has flowed under the bridge since 1991. Those who were 5 then are now 25 years old. It's no longer about what the people of 1960 0r 1991 thought, but what the Somalis of today think. Some of the staunchest opponents of SL now understand you can't have Somaliweyn if there is no unity in Somaliland in the first place. There no better examples of this than Aadan Qaybe who went on to serve as speaker of SL.

 

Don't look at the political decisions of the people of Somaliland post 1991 in isolation. Some Somali-Bantu decided move to countries like Tanzania and I don't see no one crying about "dismembering" Somalia about that. Foreigners have been invited in by almost all the factions in Somalia, introduction of federalism , and a new constitution are just some of the solutions sought by some Somalis. Who decides what's acceptable and what's not? If Somalilanders are wrong, what are the building blocks of what you want to achieve? Is it by the clannish division of galkacyo under the banner of federalism? Is it by warlords meeting in Kenya while singing the Somali anthem? Is it by strapping explosives on one's body and killing innocent people? Is it by young men and women in the USA wrapping themselves in Somali flag while cheering poets insulting other clans and subclans? Is it by rounding up Somalis who come from other regions and dumping them outside the one clans' borders? Is it by letting foreigne peacekeepers to bomb markets places?