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Gediid   

^^^^^ME waxaan kugu nacey odey macawiisto ka sii dhici rabto ayaad farta ku taagtaa oo ceebtiisa sheegsheegtaa.Sool Sophist berigi wuu ku yara degdegey ee imika ayuun buu fahmey turubku meeshu u socdo ayaan u maleynayaa hence the grand return of the eloquent one.... smile.gif

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Oodweyne   

Dear Mr. Sophist,

 

That is more like it, dear lad…. :D:D

 

You see I thought for once that when you have left us in the lurch in here of SOL, that you went out into that barren-land of Jiidali so that Mr. Af-Qudhac and company could at least rely on your legendary sword of empty braggadocio, in which you used to amply deploy in here at our expense; particularly when you were with us back in the days.

 

But, alas, that was not the case, as it seams to me now; for you seamed to be skulking around the financial sector of the City of London, whilst you comforting yourself with a tall nonsense along the lines of thinking that your folks may indeed have engaged all manner of legendary feet against others, at least back in the old days.

 

For as I said a minute ago to Mr. Me, that it was always the case that a "defeated man" does entertained his own conscious with all manner of tall fiction; particularly if it at least that tale so boldly told to one's stricken conscious will help him to sleep at night, rather easily.

 

And therefore your six-ways of describing what scalp of fictitious kind that your lot may have had won against my end of folks (all pure fiction of course), particularly in those inhospitable terrain that we both of us come from, seamed to be no different from that kind of tale that I was alluding to a minute ago, dear lad.

 

As for, the argument that I have put it before the gallery that is SOL and what manner of derisory it may come across to you; perhaps one can say, that it’s best not to pull ala Baashi’s card of debating tactics.

 

Which is that of electing oneself as a judge as well as the jury, not to say nothing about the idea of seeing oneself as the prosecuting counsel as well. And, as you know, that won’t washed in here, at least with me, dear lad.

 

But, if you have a case to make against the larger drift of my argument – derisory and all – would it be too much to asked of you in return to bring a fine-comb of scrutinizing lens along with you; in which you in turn, could take me to task with it.

 

If however, “Queens English” and all manner grammatical sentences is your gripe in here; then, in that case, you aught to have spared our blushes from so brass-neck that is your conduct, dear lad, at least in front of us.

 

For no one, least of all by me, was at all trying to make argument about the grammatical correctness or what have you in which the argument was made of. But, merely the gist the argument that one was making for others to inspect in turn, was about substance itself.

 

In other words; why don’t you be a good sporteven for once – and see to it, to not to come across to us as a sort of a fellow who is in the mood to comment rather effusively about the color of the paint and all manner of internal decoration of a house, which is a bode of residence, mind you, that he was hired to structurally appraised it and examined it, in turn, particularly in it’s solidity for a change.

 

Therefore, let me end in here by saying that the argument of this discussion is all there for others to see (i.e., structure of the house is all there for others to examined it, in turn); and if you have what it takes to measure it up, see to it, to let us now your measurement and what it is.

 

But, if you are interesting only to detained us, with all manner of effete house decoration and how the colour of the rooms do not match that of the ceiling (in which your argument about the correctness of the sentences will amount to, in the final analysis), then, in that case, for love of god, spare us the detail of it, dear lad. For we did not come here for that kind of miserable guff.

 

Regards,

Oodweyne.

 

 

**********

 

 

PostScript:-

 

Dear Mr. Me,

 

Adeer, I have told you many times that in so far as you obsession that regards to Somaliland vis-à-vis Somalia is concern (in the sense of you telling me repeatedly, that the political boat is the same for all of us) one can only say, one is not that much surprise that you seamed to be circling along that line, endlessly.

 

For, the idea of regurgitating that nonsense-on-stilts won’t make it a purchasable commodity that other will cross the road to bargain for it, at least frrom your hand (even if you keep repeating it on a daily basis).

 

In other words, if you hold that to be the case, then in that case, I am sorry to disappoint you there; but you really shall see to it to pass by it the next guy you come across to, just in case he may be of the opinion of agreeing with you, for I will not bother in answering them.

 

As for the rest of the spleen that you have regale me with is concern; Adeer, I considered it like so much of “gurgling noises” that my young daughter used to make; particularly when she was learning her way to speak around her parents.

 

And therefore, that kind of silly diatribe from your end will always have broad tolerant shoulder in me; since I am expert in putting up with that kind of tongue-twisting words in which, I am sure of it, the books of the child-development serious must have something great to say about it.

 

So therefore, do not dissapoint yourself in here, at least in the sense of limiting your word count that you shall spew in my direction in my expense, dear lad

 

And finally, If it’s not too much for your comprehension; can we, in love of god, asked of you not to hijack this thread into tit-for-tat and back-and-forth nonsensical argument for a change.

 

Which means, if you have something that is potentially tangential to this particular thread; then, see to it to entertain us with it, for we are all ears.

 

If not, then, in that case, I am sure there are plenty of “non-sequitur” kind of arguments that could be found around the various corners and the nooks of SOL; so feel free to hunt them, dear lad.

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Why all this talk from the secessionists?

You hav eno leg in this the province has no power in the central struggle for power.

 

As for the other groups. How can this man in Asmara sack all these folks.

 

As for party rules, why the need was the holly Quran not their constitution?

 

Clan ******.

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Fabregas   

Originally posted by xiinfaniin:

NG,

 

You are making assertions, and when I ask you to back it with reasonable facts, you even make more assertions. You said Sharif is clueless. You said he is disowned by his alliance. You said he has no fighting force, or at least you implied that he has no fighting force on the ground.

 

assertion numero 1: Sharif is clueless.

 

How can one go about dismantling this ****** assertion other than pointing out that the man has been anything but pragmatic and realist in his approaches? His moves so far attest to that. Perhaps you wanted him to continue wielding that AK 47 against American warships and Arial power. But he didn’t. Not only him but also the majority of ICU leadership are with him on this strategy. Since you say that you agree with him on his approach I shall not waste my time explaining how he is justified to bend his strategies not his principles mind you to attain the larger goal. What quarrel do you have with that adeer?

 

aseertion numero 2: Sharif is disowned by his alliance.

 

This is another statement that does not hold water. He is not disowned adeer. Few respected leaders, and I say few because they are few, felt that the majority went too far with this approach. After efforts to bridge the gap did not produce desired results, those who felt the peace approach is wrong broke off and named a new leadership. That was predictable. It didn’t come as a shock for many of us. No informed person could blame good Sharif for the eventual result. It was part of the risk inherent in compromising and deal making. In fact most appreciate that Sh. Sharif has spared no efforts to clarify and preach where they are going with this deal. It was the other side that seemed to be inflexible in the face of these new challenges. To assert, as you did, that Sharif is no good because some of his former friends are no longer with him is just nonsense adeer. He-said-this-before-and-now-he-is-saying-this argument is broken as I showed you earlier adeer. And that’s that.

 

aseertion numero 3: He does not have a fighting force on the ground. He is alone.

 

That is just rubbish, pure rubbish adeer.

 

Take away alshabaab, who has no loyalty to any one in Asmara or in Jabbuuti, and few, insignificant clannish militia here and there, and what you are left with are,most of them are, Sharifs forces. Most of the Courts men, plus jabhal islmaayah (JIS) are technically his. When this deal is officially signed in the Kingdom you will see what I am talking about.

 

What are you arguing against then? Those are facts. Are you willing to argue against facts? I mean come on xaaji.

JIS rejected the Djibouti agreement, saxiib,talks between COURTS and representatives and Sheikh Shariff broke down and we know all about the Youthful movement. So, the overwhelmingly majority of those movements do not hold allegiance to Shariff. Of course, there are factors that could change their allegiance.

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Fabregas   

Originally posted by General Duke:

^^^Geel Jiire , now Sharif Ahmed is no good right. was his usefullness limited to Asmara?

No, Sheikh Shariff is an extremely influential man in Somali politics. And he is a good man, but with flaws like all humans. Not all of us have blind allegiance to men, the way you follow Yusuf(blindly, whether he does wrong or right)!

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Sophist   

Thus spake the ignoramus of SOL- the son of hides man ;) !

 

Awoowe, you have once again missed the point—not astonished at that really. You see, trading foul language with you is tempting as you are more weakling of a person with a voice of maiden soul struggling to shake off her manly body; but I dare not go there.

 

Language is the medium in which thoughts are expressed- nay, thoughts wont be without language thusly if a man is inarticulate or has not mastered the art of writing (simple composition of letter or more polemic treatise on matters pertaining meta-physics) that man will indeed fail to express his thoughts intelligently. Now, in your case, you have fallen for the apparition that commands “the more prolix the argument, the better it is” . Flowery language adorned with intelligible words are delight to read, yours though dear boy is a collection of disjointed words with grammatical errors thus making your argument incomprehensible (or may be you have no argument worthy of debate perhaps?)

 

Now let me get back to the issue at hand.

 

From what I know history (you need to read my earlier writings on the ICU; in particular my opinion of Sharifka), Sharifka is shrewd man who is keen in public life- politics is where he sees his abode. This is not a necessarily a bad thing (though a lot of Ulma will disagree with morality of that). Sharifka is different ‘breed’ of ‘wadaad’ to those we have known in the past 30 years. His ideological believes are different to Garcase’s lot as far as politics goes. Do I agree with his politics? Not necessarily! Am I apposed to peace? Nope. I am practical man when it comes to politics.

 

Shariifka Kabo kawaaweyn ayuu gashadey :D ; I have always thought that!!!

 

Garguduud might need to be recruited to the Dirin otherwise this peace accord will not be worth the paper it was written on.

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Sophist   

ME- very droll indeed old chap!

 

Saw you yesterday on bishopsgate, could not talk as I was walking with a client! How was that delightful young damsel?

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me   

An extra post, just for moi?

I am honoured :D

 

Although I think I deserved a ps.

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Abtigiis   

Originally posted by Oodweyne:

And therefore your
six-ways of describing what scalp of fictitious kind that your lot may have had
won
against my end of folks (
all pure fiction of course
), particularly in those inhospitable terrain that we both of us come from, seamed to be no different from that kind of tale that I was alluding to a minute ago,
dear lad
.

 

Regards,

Oodweyne.

What is this? my tribe wasn't beaten by your tribe thing? If Oodweyne is not a tribalist, then Hitler wasn't a racist!

 

I am fine with the jumbles that look to have been addressed to a judge in a court room, and all credit to OOD for the funy examples, but that should not distract from the real essence of his messages. I feel the urge to declare 'Down with Tribalists like Oodweyne', much in tune with the slogan of a headless cadre. But not for now.

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Malika   

Me,

So that is what you have been doing,since moving to London,hang around bishopgate chating young damsels?..Fariid!

 

 

Ngonge;

 

Does one need to be of super intelligence to be a great leader? Lets give the man his dues, actually his respects. The simple man he is, he is today at the core of the Somali politics, doesn’t that just say something. Oh, yeah of course in a nation full of fickle minded and simpletons, that wouldn’t be anything of a surprise now, would it?... :rolleyes:

 

 

Yes there might not be some consistency in his tactics but you can not take away the consistency linked to his strong moral and value based approach, which is to bring Peace and stability to the people. It might have meant he had to deploy different strategy in order to respond to the reality on the ground, we can not afford any more blood shed, its not the Ethiopian citizens that are caught up in these day to day attacks but Somali citizen. Enough of the blood sheds, his approach might not be one that many favour but the man has a vision and if it means he sits with the devil himself and talk it through then be it, and for that he has my respect!

 

For sure the gentleman has an enomous task on his hands, for him to sucessed he will have to be tolerant, remain calm,composed and steadfast to the main purpose,despite the storms,emotions and crises that come and go..The sheikh Hassan's little tantrum is just one of those crises..Inshaallah, with determination through dialogue he shall sucessed!

 

 

ps.it must be very lonely,up there yaa Ngonge,just you and your oversized SL flag.. icon_razz.gif

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NGONGE   

^^ But, if you read my words you would have seen that I did not think much of the man's vision. Everyone has a vision (heck you and I have one). It's how you go about making it reality that matters.

 

You support the man because (and I use your own words), of his 'moral and value based approach'! I don't think he has been consistant or that his approach so far has been moral, never mind value based.

 

 

Still, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt by calling him clueless.

 

Anyway, naga daa Shariifka sheekadiisa or Beetle Juice may appear and take us on that fantastic ride once more. :D

 

ps

It is not lonely here at all. I've got fun people on my side and I expect you to join any day soon. There is a vacant space right next to me. ;)

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Malika   

^LOL@vacant space,nah will decline that offer :D unless you got A&T on your side now..Lol

 

The man stood up to what he believed to be injustice/corruption and down right criminal,and through that belief he is sitting with the devils in Djibouti now!

 

Indeed,I have visions but mine have mounted to nothing as i am yet to offer any dream or taste of peace and stability to a whole people.Now there is a difference between the teacher /Sheikh and the teacher Malika,in her cozy surburbian life. smile.gif

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Abtigiis   

Waryaa Ngonge- My views on the Sheriff are well known and I don't want to go back on that issue, lest I may lose a valued friend. But, I support Malika here, out of pure partisanship.It was always difficult to support an alien against a fellow Somali,but that you are a supporter of the dismemberment of Somalia erodes your pretention of wanting the best for our nation. In view of that, the Sheriff must not be mentioned by the lips of hypocrats.

 

Malika

Thanks for the confidence in me. It is a rarity for me to receive accolades, and when it comes from people of intergity, it is even more refereshing!But you must see the context of the insidious alien when talking about 'fun people'. Now, he will call me paranoid.

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NGONGE   

^^ Bila saaxiib bad tahay, ninyaho. Malika winked at you and you sold me down the river, just like that? Go away man, ha nala saaxibin.

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