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Saalax   

Since the problem seems to be in the south inorder to have a stable somalia , a peace must be in the south particularly the capital mogadishu, since the south seems to be the major problem and woes of somalia i will list 10 ways to bring peace to the shattered land.

 

 

1.Dismantle any Anti Peace groups /Al Shabab / X.I etc.

 

2.Disarm the local militias in urban cities for Ex. Mogadishu.

 

3.Make sure each clan is up for peace if not ask them why and meet their demands if it's a necessary approach.

 

 

4.Dismantle Warlords as they are also part of the wider problem since each have many weapons and militias which cause continuing unrest for 19 years in the south.

 

 

5.Form a very strong national army include all ex enemies if they are willing to work with you in rebuilding the lost paradise called somalia.

 

 

6.Make sure the national troops are given their necessary salary if not we both know what will happen they will either desert the army and join rebel groups/extremists etc.

 

 

7.Make every clan the leaders of their deegaan as this will reduce them seening the government as a violation to their clan territory and rights, appoint police chiefs, mayors, governors etc from people who are natives to the deegaan to reduce the tensions.

 

 

8.Invite all opposition parties those who are interested in peace, and those are not interested try to pressure them to attend the peace first, if not confrontation is necessary.

 

 

9.Try to meet each groups griefs and demands as they will make the government possible for everyone to join since they will know it's based on fairness and each groups griefs are met.

 

 

10. End of the Road.

 

 

that is my two coins on southern somalia.

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Hales   

Thanks Norfy for clearing up what was trying to tell Oodweyne, he doesnt seem to understand. And i agree that it should be done that way.

 

 

Ok Oodweyne i did not write that Italy was part of the UNSC this is what i meant, in your own words

 

UK and France have already signed on to a common platform with their EU partners in regarding this issue; but that is, by-the-by, a "holding position

 

And this is basically the whole point of the debate which i responded to in the first lines in my second reply

 

 

Which means, if the political weather were to change in these two countries, then, all talk about what the old European's common policy may have said about Somaliland's issue will be so much of a yesterday's dog's breakfast

 

The decision to create a new state would not be so simple and nations would not simply rush into as your saying because their is a difference in thinking of foreign policy. A decision to recognize and put the seccionist regime first instead of Somalia would be a major decisions which would involve the AU nations and the Arab league. Plus like you said its symbolic, the two entities are there for a reason and are very important. This is not 1950 where the big four used to take all the decision without any consulting.

Theres nothing major in stake for the western powers, so they would naturally leave it to the entities which knows the region best.

 

You said security would be promptly a reason for recognition of Somaliland for example you could argue that they can because Somaliland would be in a threat of invasion by Alshabaab 1) Somaliland is hardly involved in Somalia, so there is no foreign policy or involvement in the stabillization of Somalia 2) if their was a foreign policy there is Ethiopia and Puntland which does have an interest in Somalia and Puntland, and Ethiopia would carry out the tasks like they did in 2007.

 

What im saying is that a country like Somaliland is alien (lack of understanding of the nation and its history and the implications) and would much rather take the safe path and wait for Somalia to emerge.

 

Lastly its true that African Union and Arab league are a smoke screen in relation to the powers the UNSC nations but like i said its not just about power its about taking a big decisions which would have many effects throughout the region and involve many nations.

So far this has been the case for 20 years and one of the many reasons why Somaliland hasnt been recognized.

 

I hope this my arguments the settled now.

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Oodweyne,

North gave you a reasonable scenario for SL to get recognition and for the life of me, even though you said no, I still have no clue what you wrote. Come back and answer why you will insist on a path that produced no results for 20 years and reject out of hand this reasonable proposal.

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Originally posted by Oodweyne:

Norfsky
,

 

 

Similarly, Somaliland have rejected out of hand; and I am sure of it, that even Kulmiye party (
if it comes to power in Hargeisa
) will reject it out of hand indeed now....
;)

 

 

Regards,

Oodweyne.

Basically..Very simply put.

 

norf is just a confused character.

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me   

Secessionist thread, opened by a well-known secessionist.

 

Nothing of interest here.

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Me & AfricanOwn

Stop being verbal bomb throwers and contribute if you can and don't be too extreme in love and hate, you may come to regret it one day.

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N.O.R.F   

The two above you very rarely partake in discussions. They prefer being trolls. Anaa og.

 

Oody, this is a thread of compromise and I don't think the basis for your rejection has any weight. This is how things are done in the real world. A legal footing is the be all and end of all independence issues. The referendum would be held in SL only and not in the rest of Somalia.

 

Anyway, sheeka SL xagaa inoogu jooji, time to give other more shaah and xalwa.

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me   

Originally posted by Norfsky:

The referendum would be held in SL only and not in the rest of Somalia.

 

If this is not support for the secessionists I don't know what is.

 

As you can all see, this thread is intended to give another platform to the secessionists. Don't be fooled, this is not a thread about Somalia.

 

The so called host of this thread is already tilting the stage for the secessionists, by giving away the house, while pretending to be 'dhexdhexaad'.

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Cowke   

Hale my opinion is that somaliland is not recognized because the players inside somalia are all unionist no matter if their secularist or shababs or any other faction except hargeisa.

 

Whats the chances of success if foreign donor backs somaliland in it's seccessionist claim when majority of somalis from ras caseyr to kismayo are all unionist? the chances are very little success and people don't make investments to not get a return from their investment. Eritrea funds hizbul islam why? because they stand a chance against other factions because the unionists are all divided up and therefore Eritrea can see theirs good chance of their investment paying off in the end. The same can be applied to the arabs funding shabab.

 

Somaliland seccession from somalia wont spark a seccessionist race I dont believe because Eritrea was given separation and it didnt mean other parts of ethiopia were given the same right lol.

 

Sxb when donors look at somalia they see that 90% are unionist with just different views on how the nation should be run some want an islamic style whilst others want it secular but their all unionist. If the donors went against unionist that means all the factions in somalia have something to unite for which is safe-guarding the borders and believe me you will see some foreign country take advantage of this and fund them to form huge "national front" lol

 

Somaliland secession is just impossible and its sad its repeated over and over again as if it will make it stand a better chance to become a reality lol. Even Somaliaonline can see through the lie of seccessionist, it just Qowdhans in a merfish that can be lied too you think the experts in the international and domestic scene can be lied to? :D

 

I don't believe somaliland politicians are that dumb and They are aware that will never occur but they see benefit now to hold their ppl hostage to fake dreams whilst they take advantage of them and fill up their pockets and retire whilst waiting for somalia problems to be solved in hamar.

 

But some of the somaliland politicians do indeed want chaos in hamar and recognition for somaliland but thats only a few whilst the others just want to sit by tells lies to their people, photoshop pictures, say they got a memo from israel that they will be recognized and just buy themselves times untill hamar is solved.

 

Thats all somaliland is as far as im concerned if you agree good if you dont well thats my opinion smile.gif

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N.O.R.F   

Me, for some reason I'm not surprised you've failed to comprehend the aim of this thread.

 

Whilst you're here, I have a question for you. Will the SSC members sat under this tree be united in voice?

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me   

Norf,

 

Your question is irrelevant. Because first few conditions have to be met, before anyone will sit under any tree.

 

The first two conditions are:

 

1. The secessionist aggressors must leave the SSC region, and withdraw to their clan enclave.

 

2. The secessionists must drop their claims to all the territories of the Somali Republic.

 

Without these two conditions, and some others that will follow in due course, there is no reason why a unionist Somali should even entertain any talks with the secessionists.

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N.O.R.F   

Hasn't the split within the SSC camp made the situation possible in the first place?

 

You can't complain about SL capitalising on it if you're not agreeing within youselves in the first place.

 

So, a united a front is required for this sit down.

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me   

I am unaware of any splits. Perhaps you can enlighten me on that issue and in the meantime, could you also tell me how your progressing with the conditions from my earlier post?

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N.O.R.F   

^I see nothing has changed :D

 

Waa markii indhaha la isgu xidhi jirey icon_razz.gif

 

Your conditions would have a better chance if you're all singing from the same himsheet wouldn't it? smile.gif

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