Pres Yusuf is wrong...

[General Duke]

The President's silence on the Geedi gaffe [interview comments] is tragic. The old man needs to undertsand that his appointee is making no sense what so ever. And we are losing patiance with this government...

 

Unity comes before anyone or any political position....

[Thankful]

The comments Geedi made reflect his inexperience, although he might be an educated individual, his educational background and most importantly his history in politics does not suit him for the second highest office in the Somali Government.

Also, Abdualahi Yusuf is Geedi guest in Jowhar and doesn´t have many friends in that region, that´s why he has to keep his mouth shut. It´s definitely a sad situation.

[SOO MAAL]

Wasiiru-Dawlaha Warfaafinta Ibraahim Maxmed Deeq Ayaa Ku Tilmaamay Hadalkii Geeddi Ka Soo Yeedhay Mid Isaga U Gaar Ah, Baarlamaankuna Tallaabo Sharciya Ka qaadi doono.

 

Wasiiru-dawlada Warfaafinta ee dawladda Federaalka Ibraahim Maxmed Deeq ayaa ku tilmaamay hadalkii ka soo yeedhay Raysal Wasaaraha Soomaali Cali Maxmed Geeddi ee uu ku sheegay in ay aqoonsanayaan Somaliland hadii adduunka aqoonsado mid isaga u gaar ah, lana weydiin doono waxa ku kallifay.

 

 

Ibraahim waxa uu intaasi ku daray mar uu saxaafadda Gobolka Sool la hadlayey isaga oo ku sugan magaalada Jawhar in Geeddi ay kawada hadleen arrintan oo ka soo yeedhay, uuna u sheegay in afka loogu riday, hasa yeeshee waxa uu Ibraahim raaciyey in aan looga hadhay sidaas, ee mooshin baarlamaanka la horgeyn doono, lagu weydiinayo arrimahaas waxa ku kallifay.

 

 

 

Waxa kale oo uu ka warramay Wasiiru-dawluhu in fulinta Federaalka Soomaaliya degmada Buuhoodle lagu bilaabi doono, taasina ay muujinayso in Aanay jirin arrinta odhanaysa in gobollada Sool, iyo Sanaag la raaciyey Somaliland.

 

 

 

Raysal Wasaaraha Soomaaliya Cali Maxmed Geeddi ayaa kulan su’aalo lagu weydiinayey Laanta Afsoomaaliga ee BBCda , ku sheegay in ay dawladdiisu aqoon-sanayso maamulka isku magacaabay Somaliland, haddii ay adduunyadu aqoon sato, wuxuuna ku tilmaamay in ay yihiin dad u halgamaya xuquuqdooda, hadday helaana ay ku farxayaan, arrintaas oo buuq ka abuuray dhammaan gobollada Soomaaliya.

 

Suxufiga weyn ee Soomaliyeed ee ku caanbaxay Sawirrada Arts-ka Amiin Caamir ayaa maanta ku soo bandhigay Boggiisa caanka ah Sawir ka turjumaya sida Cali Max’ed Geeddi ugu tuntay Midnimada Soomaaliya isagoo Miinshaar ku goynaya Soomaali weyn.

 

[AYOUB]

Originally posted by General Duke:

The President's silence on the Geedi gaffe [interview comments] is tragic. The old man needs to undertsand that his appointee is making no sense what so ever. And we are losing patiance with this government...

Duke Smith, why pile all the blame on Abti Geedi when it was you of all people who posted the article below where Adeero Yey makes his views very clear. An interview with the President

Su’aal: Waxaan maqalnaa inaad tahay “ninkii Ethiopiaâ€. Siidee bay Ethiopia kuu taageeraysaa?

 

A.YUSUF: Dabcan, waxaan ahay Ethiopian,(xagga saaxiibtinimada) Ethiopia waa dal aan saaxiib nahay, waxaan la leenahay xiriir wanaagsan, anagoo wadaagna xuduud 2500Km ah, waana joogi doonaa Gobolkan waligayo, sidaa aawadeed waa inaan xiriir wanaagsan yeelano waligayo; mana waxyeelaynayno danaha dalkale; dabcan. Ethiopia kaligeed maaha, wxaan taageero waydiisaney Midowga Africa(AU), Egypt, Sudan iyo dhammaan dalalka kale ee xubnaha ka ah ururka, inay tageeraan Somaliya, waxaana ka rajaynaynaa taagero buuxda dhammaantood; waddan kasta oo ku jira Midowga Africa.

 

Su’aal: Awood ma adeegsan doontaa si aad u midayso Somaliya ama u balaariso Somaliya (ama see u aragtaa fikradda Somaliyada wayn (Greater Somalia, waxaa loola jeedaa, Somaliya oo lagu soo daro, Somalida Kenya iyo Ethiopia, waana fikraddii Somalidu wadatay xilligii Siyad Barre oo keentay dagalkii 1977 ee Somaliya iyo Ethiopia).

 

A.YUSUF: Waxaan filayaa inay tahay siyaasad gaboowday taasi (old-fashioned politics). Ma jiro hadda fikir ama ra’yi noocaas oo kale ah.

I think your article explains Adeeros' position very candidly atleast to an outsider like me :cool:

[Jumatatu]

[SOO MAAL]

Riyaale “This is not the first time that I met Meles. We are always received warmly when we come to Ethiopia, because this is a brotherly country. This time we shared issues that concern our area. Although we are not recognized by Ethiopia we share security, border and many other things. So we talk about these and new developments in our area. We just correspond on that and we have good understanding when we come here… We always discuss about our destiny as one of our major issues… It's good. We have no better friend than Ethiopia… They always treat us as brothers(Ethoipians) , as young brothers. They help us better than any other country in the area… Ethiopians come to Berbera and send their goods through Berbera and bring their goods from Berbera. It is open for them… we have captured a lot of people that tried to infiltrate Ethiopia. They are now in our custody. They are members of the ONLF, About thirty. They have been trained in Eritrea. Luckily we have captured them. And they are now in court; because we don't accept anyone to attack our neighbours… We were united in 1960 but we have with drawn from that union. We will not go back to the union. This is their problem. They have to solve their problem, as we have solved our problem, We will call them(non-somalilanders). We know each other. We will tell them the truth. They cannot cheat us (non-somalilanders) as they cheat the other people…How can we help them? There are about 50 warlords. Everyone has his area. Who do we reconcile? To whom do we talk? We don't know…We don't know. They are terrorists. They want to destabilize our country, because we are practicing the rule of law in our country. They want to make our country the same as those in Mogadishu. They have been sent from Mogadishu, Al-Quaeda and all that, To certain extent, yes . We have captured the main organs operating in our country, While I was away from the country. Another four were captured while I was in the country… No, thank you for the interview. I would like to thank the Ethiopian people, the Ethiopian government. That's what I want say. “

 

 

 

Interview with the President of Somaliland to Ethoipia news agency

[SOO MAAL]

Yusuf: dabcan. Ethiopia kaligeed maaha, wxaan taageero waydiisaney Midowga Africa(AU), Egypt, Sudan iyo dhammaan dalalka kale ee xubnaha ka ah ururka, inay tageeraan Somaliya, waxaana ka rajaynaynaa taagero buuxda dhammaantood; waddan kasta oo ku jira Midowga Africa.

 

Riyaale: It's good. We have no better friend than Ethiopia… They always treat us as brothers(Ethoipians) , as young brothers. They help us better than any other country in the area

 

Faysal Cali Warabe's [in] famous saying: “Faysal Cali Warabe's [in] famous saying: “a boy born in Hargeisa has more commonality with one born in Addis Ababa than one in Mogadishu.â€

 

"Inanka Xamar ku dhasha, Kan Addis Ababa ku dhasha ayaa iga xiga "

 

I agree with you, all so-called Somali politicians are ethoipian puppets; they all receive their weapons from Ethoipia, from Abdulaahi, Riyaale, Muuse Suudi, Qanyare, Mohamed Dheere, Shaati Guduud, Haabsade, etc

 

True anything that ALL contemporary somali so-called politicians say or does is pre-approved from Ethoipia

 

Now western somalia, Somaliland, Puntland, Central/southern Somalia (hiiraan, jowher, mogadisho, baydhabo, kismayo) are all in the Ethoipian hands

 

 

Can we say Ethoipia outsmarted somali people?

 

 

Warlords Don't Love Ethiopia Any Less But Hate Yusuf More

By Faisal Roble

March 21, 2005

 

The story of Somali collective memory is told and retold as being short and selective. Here is another variation of such a story pertaining to the controversy about Ethiopian peacekeeping mission in Somalia.

 

 

Maxamed Siyaad Barre

In the 1980s, the Somali National Movement (SNM), the United Somali Congress (USC), and the Somali Salivation Democratic Front (SSDF) were all housed in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. They all collaborated to overthrow Mohamed Siad Barre, the late dictator that ruled Somalia from 1969 to 1990. Most of the constituents that these movements claimed to have represented showed or seemed to have shown a high degree of affinity towards Ethiopia throughout the last 20 or so years, a period that has one of the lowest points and marked the speedy erosion of Somali nationalism.

 

One way that the above-mentioned groups and their followers showed gratitude towards Ethiopia was carried:

 

By helping the late Ethiopian dictator Megistu Haile Mariam to dismantle Somalia and create what has since then deteriorated to the current disarticulated stateless nation;

By killing and or throwing Somali Galbeed refugees out of their respective districts. In Mogadishu, for example, helpless civilians who hailed from the Somali Region of Ethiopia were killed mercilessly during the early years of Somalia's civil war. In Jalalaqsi refugee camps, hundreds of people were beheaded and thrown to the Shabelle river and were denied any proper Islamic burial ceremony. In Hargeisa, thousands of refugees were slaughtered in what was called the Dam, or “Biyo xidheen.†And not many refugees went to Garowe or Bossaso, although these cities were as hostile when one looks that the sternest verbal abuses came from these regions. And so far, neither Ethiopia nor its yesteryear's or today's allies in Somalia has raised this human tragedy.

 

Faysal Ali Waraabe - UCID Party Chief

 

Somalilanders are on the record to say that they loved Ethiopia more than their own Somali brethren inside and outside of the republic. This sentiment is represented by one of the leader of Somaliland, Faysal Cali Warabe's [in] famous saying: “a boy born in Hargeisa has more commonality with one born in Addis Ababa than one in Mogadishu.â€

 

"Inanka Xamar ku dhasha, Kan Addis Ababa ku dhasha ayaa iga xiga "

 

"Haddii Ethiopia Xamar ciidamo u dirto wabiyo dhiig ah ayaa qulquli doona "

 

Faysal Cali Waraabe

 

In the case of USC supporters, love for Ethiopia was captured by a pamphlet that I read in the early years of the 1990s that said some thing akin to “Hobyo port for Ethiopia.†As a result, the late General Caydid used to be the only warlord who was received in Ethiopia with a red carpet stretched out to his Pole Airport arrivals.

 

As to Garowe's loyalty to Ethiopia, retelling the story here would be an overkill. Suffice it to say Bosaaso port is almost to replace the role Berbera had hitherto played for Ethiopia.

 

Today, irrespective of past affinity, all these groups are using Ethiopia as their bogyman to get to the top price and that is derailing Abdulahi Yusuf's government. They all have somehow agreed to shame Ethiopia not because they love Ethiopia any less, but because they hate what Ethiopia is doing for Abdullahi Yusuf more. It is a reminiscent of Shake Spear's assessment of the Rome of Caesar's killing of Brutus when he wrote: “It is not that I Love you any less, but that I love Rome more.â€

 

One Somalilander Website (Awdelnews) ran an editorial (Ethiopia as an enemy is engraved in the collective memory of Somali people) and went as far as suggesting that Ethiopia's animosity with the Somali people goes back to the war of Imam Ahmed Gurey in the 15 th Century. That is precisely the case. But, can one talk about Ethiopia's animosity and its role to stunt Somali national aspirations, and then let have Ethiopia train its navy at the coast of Berbera at will?

 

 

Other websites prematurely wrote in droves op-ed pieces to condemn Ethiopia as Somalia's eternal enemy while Yalaxow was telling the press that Ethiopia had in the past supplied weapons to himself (Yalaxow), Aidid, Qanyare and of course Abdullahi Yusuf. In another instance, one Somalilander, who recently decried about Ethiopian troops as peacekeepers in Somalia, once equated the search for Somali unity to racial purity, hence equating greater Somali nationalism with racism. To make matters worse, this piece was posted on Ethiopian websites!

 

Where does really Ethiopia fit in each group's particular and narrow agenda? As the Somali clan politics shifts like the weather of London, we may never give a precise and short answer to this question. It is intriguingly puzzling, however, to know that Ethiopia, as an old and more complex country, correctly reads the uncontrollable and immature emotions of Somalis for the authorities in Addis Ababa refer to Somalis as a simplistic tribal groups, as in “ armane ya Somale Zalan gosawoch,†pagan Somali tribal groups. As such, Ethiopia perhaps reads where every one of these different interest groups stands and it claims to understand their agenda in the current fiasco.

 

The issue of Ethiopian peacekeeping mission in Somalia itself is as strange as Ahmed Silanyo of Kulmiye party carrying the banner for the reinstitution of the former Democratic Republic of Somalia. That does not mean all of the critics of Ethiopian peace mission in Somalia do not have merit. Some of them may have. However, painting Ethiopia as a cruel colonial force that is Somalia's eternal enemy is quite a laughable matter. Did we suddenly wake up as of January 2005 from the slumber that Dr. Ali Abdul Rahman Hersi, a genuine proponent of Somali nationalism and critic of Ethiopian intervention all along, identified as a plague in today's Somalia?

 

All of the groups beating the drum against Ethiopia have in the past used or are still using Ethiopia (as in the case of Puntlanders and Somalilanders) as their friend to weaken Somali nationalism. As viciously as clannish Somali clans and groups are, the current controversy surrounding Ethiopian peacekeeping mission is a classical case where a Somali clan or a political group would use anything at its disposal to advance its narrow tribal interest, even if that is smoking up the nation.

 

And one may suspect that the rest of the world, with the exception of some gullible western liberal groups like the International Crisis Group (ICG), sees said controversy as one of the many manifestations of Somalia's clan politics. If so, the entire Ethiopian bashing is nothing more than a political gymnastics by one political group against another.

 

What is disheartening is that Somalis in Ethiopia have lost what is estimated to be a third of their land in a sham plebiscite this past October that the Ethiopian parliament hastily rubber-stamped. Not a single Somali group, party or news group ever mentioned this historical miscarriage of justice with the exception of Wardheernews. Ethiopia is carrying the most comprehensive land grabbing policy .

 

Most of the groups shedding crocodile tears have their own hidden agenda about their bone of contention with Ethiopia, but are masquerading it as Somali nationalism.

 

Having said this, I join those on the other side of the fence and argue that Ethiopia may not be the right force to enforce either disarmament or peacekeeping mission in Somalia. Ethiopia is already, though, in Somaliland, Puntland, Hiiraan region, Baydhabo. Worse, Ethiopian Airlines have been flying into Somali cities, violating its air space for a number of years.

 

But, the very forces that have destroyed anything that was good about being Somali must not opportunistically use the cause of Somali nationalism in their political gymnastics to reach their parochial agenda.

 

Using Ethiopia as the bogyman must not be read outside the web of clan politics. To maximize one's clanist agenda, no stone is usually left unturned and that is the story of the 1980s and 1990s that would be told and retold. The Ethiopian bogyman is nothing more than one such a stone to be turned by as many groups and individuals as we have seen within the last two weeks. This is the real story retold, unflattering as it may sound.

[Jumatatu]

[Yeniceri]

^^

 

[General Duke]

The point as ever is lost on Juma. However I like Ayoub printing some old article when he supports the divisive secesionist movements. Ayoub give up the colonial legacy and we shal talk openly.

 

Juma you need to open your eyes, I disagree with President Yusuf on his silence. I disagree with geedi on this gaffe and I disagree with Morgan. However you are stil adament in your defence of Musa Sudi and Qaynyare and uncle ato. You never lose an opportunity to lose an opprtunity.

[Jumatatu]

Maxaa la oran jirey horta 'habarta odeyga la saar' , or something like that . Go back and re-read this thread of yours and point out where you disagree with me and where you agree. Dadka ku jawabey iska celi aniga waxba afka ha ila so galin. Hadu boran ku haya na ii sheeg, ilen adiga aya laga hayaa marna C/llahi Yusuf wa nebi Soomaaliya laso direy marna wa nin walaan uu qaldaan.

Koleyba aniga waan ogahey in ay arrintadu tahey 'ohiinta ohiin orgi ka weyn'. Thus sxb waxba ha is calool xumeyn, by the end of the day you wont be left out, just be a good patient and have a lot of 'calool adeeg'...

[General Duke]

However you are stil adament in your defence of Musa Sudi and Qaynyare and uncle ato. You never lose an opportunity to lose an opprtunity.

Nuff said