N.O.R.F Posted August 28, 2007 Austria's Haider says to ban mosque-building Agencies Published: August 27, 2007, 18:13 Vienna: Austria's Joerge Haider said on Monday that he plans to change building laws to prevent mosques being erected in his home province of Carinthia. "We don't want a clash of cultures and we don't want institutions which are alien to our culture being erected in Western Europe," said Haider, the Carinthia governor. "Muslims have of course the right to practise their religion, but I oppose erecting mosques and minarets as centres to advertise the power of Islam," he said. Haider said he would ask parliament to amend the building code that would require towns to consider "religious and cultural tradition" when dealing with construction requests. A lawmaker from the Austrian Muslims' Initiative called Haider's move "racist" and "ridiculous". "We don't know of any mosque plans there. His move is meaningless, populist, racist and anti-Islamic," Omar Al Rawi said. http://www.gulfnews.com/world/Austria/10149533.html With all manner of laws passed and some attempts to pass others, is it time for the 'enlightened' to have a re-think? The war is being lost on their own doorsteps. Soon there may well be Muslim majority main cities in the EU including Stockholme Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacaylbaro Posted August 28, 2007 "Muslims have of course the right to practise their religion, but I oppose erecting mosques and minarets as centres to advertise the power of Islam," he said. That is how it goes ,,,,, we're not against this but yeah we really are. why oppose erecting mosques and minarets if they have the right to practise their religion ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted August 28, 2007 ^^Its called double standards saxib. When the going gets tough dadka qaarkood way isku dhex yaacaan,,,,,, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted August 28, 2007 Comments Feature: Mosque Plans Across Europe Face Protests Petitions in London, protests in Cologne, a court case in Marseille and a violent clash in Berlin -- Muslims in Europe are meeting resistance to plans for mosques that befit Islam's status as the continent's second religion. Posted: Monday, August 6, 2007, 11:49 (BST)Font Scale:A A A Critics of the London mosque, led by a local councillor from a Christian group, argue a large mosque with room for 12,000 worshipers will turn the integrated neighbourhood into a "one-faith zone" driving out followers of other faiths. They also charge that Tablighi Jamaat , the Islamic missionaries building the mosque, are a security risk because "shoe-bomber" Richard Reid and two suicide bombers in the July 2005 London attacks followed the publicity-shy movement. In Cologne, DITIB's plan for a modern Ottoman-style mosque has met charges it will be too big for a city housing one of the most imposing Gothic cathedrals in the Christian world. "I have a queasy feeling," Catholic Cardinal Joachim Meisner said. "A mosque would give the city a different panorama. Given our history, there is a shock that Muslim immigration has brought a cultural rupture in our German and European culture." A mosque project in Pankow, an eastern Berlin area with few Muslims, sparked violent clashes last month between supporters and opponents. Neo-Nazi groups have joined the protests and a truck was torched at the construction site in March. "EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT..." France, whose five million-strong Muslim minority is Europe's largest, has a longer history of mosques in its cities and many mayors provide land at low cost for them. A far-right political party, the National Republican Movement , unexpectedly won two court cases this year against these subsidies in the Paris suburb of Montreuil and in Marseille, where a quarter of the population is Muslim. Mayor Jean-Claude Gaudin of Marseille was so set on seeing a "cathedral mosque" built after decades of debate that he quickly got approval for a new contract at slightly higher rates. "Everyone has a right to a significant house of worship," he told the city council. Most Marseille Muslims now pray in neighbourhood mosques too small for their congregations. In Switzerland, two right-wing parties have launched a petition for a referendum to ban minarets on mosques there. Italy's anti-immigration Northern League called last month for all mosques there to be closed for security checks. In December 2006, protesters left a severed pig's head outside a mosque being built in the Tuscan town of Colle di Val d'Elsa. Concern about Islam has deep roots in some countries. In Greece, which lived for four centuries under Ottoman Turkish rule, Muslims only got their first purpose-built mosque in Athens in June. Plans for a larger one are still on hold. In Spain, a bastion of Islamic culture for eight centuries until 1492, Catholic leaders nervously turned down a request from Muslims to pray in Cordoba Cathedral, originally a mosque. A local Muslim group wants to build a half-scale replica of the mosque for its own use, but has not yet submitted its plan. http://www.christiantoday.com/article/feature.mosque.plans.across.europe.face.protests/12106-2.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted August 28, 2007 Euro Mosque bans - Are our leaders too busy building more to bother fighting for their rights? Tuesday, 07 August 2007 "The desire of Muslims to build a house of worship means they want to feel at home and live in harmony," said Alboga. PARIS — Though Islam is the continent's second religion, Muslims across Europe are facing campaigns from far-right groups and some church leaders to have stately mosques. "The desire of Muslims to build a house of worship means they want to feel at home and live in harmony with their religion in a society they have accepted as theirs," German Muslim leader Bekir Alboga told Reuters on Monday, August 6. Muslims across Europe, who have long prayed in garages and old factories, are aspiring to have grand mosques. In Germany, a plan by the Turkish Islamic Union (DITIB) to build a grand mosque in Cologne has met opposition on claims that it would be too big for a city housing one of the most imposing Gothic cathedrals in the Christian world. Leading the anti-mosque campaign is Pro Cologne, a far-right organization which has held five seats in Cologne's city council since 2004. A mosque project in Pankow, an eastern Berlin area, sparked violent clashes with neo-Nazi groups with a truck being torched at the construction site. A local council voted against a third in Munich. Germany is home to some 3.2 million Muslims, Europe's second-biggest Muslim population after France. Europe-wide In London, a petition against a grand mosque next to the 2012 London Olympics site was posted on Prime Minister Gordon Brown's Web site. Critics of the London mosque, led by London Borough of Newham Councillor Allan Craig, an MP for the Christian Peoples Alliancea, described the planned mosque as the "the biggest symbol so far of the Islamic colonisation of England." In Germany, a plan by the Turkish Islamic Union (DITIB) to build a grand mosque in Cologne has met charges it will be too big for a city housing one of the most imposing Gothic cathedrals in the Christian world. A mosque project in Pankow, an eastern Berlin area with few Muslims, sparked also violent clashes last month between supporters and opponents. Neo-Nazi groups have joined the protests and a truck was torched at the construction site in March. A local council voted against a third in Munich. In France, which is home to Europe's largest Muslim minority of about five million, a far-right political party, the National Republican Movement (MNR), won two court cases this year against giving pieces of land at low prices to Muslims to build two mosques in suburbs of Montreuil and in Marseille, both having a sizable Muslim minority. Most Marseille Muslims now pray in neighbourhood mosques too small for their congregations. In Switzerland, two right-wing parties have launched a petition for a referendum to ban minarets on mosques there. Italy's anti-immigration Northern League called last month for all mosques there to be closed for security checks. In December 2006, protesters left a severed pig's head outside a mosque being built in the Italian town of Colle di Val d'Elsa. In Greece, Muslims only got their first purpose-built mosque in Athens in June. Plans for a larger one are still on hold. Faulting state statistics about the growing number of mosques, Muslims in the Spanish autonomous province of Catalonia have called repeatedly for a grand mosque to meet the needs of the sizable minority instead of the dozens of prayer rooms and vaults that burst at the seams with worshippers. No sooner had Muslims in the Catalonian city of Barcelona started raising funds for the much-hoped place of worship mosque than the council reneged on its promise, arguing that the issue was not a priority. Far-right groups also proposed this year to ban minarets in Switzerland. "Islamization" "I have a queasy feeling (about mosques)," Geraman Catholic Cardinal Joachim Meisner said. Critics claim mosques are signs of the "Islamization" of Europe. "I have a queasy feeling," Cologne Catholic Cardinal Joachim Meisner told Reuters. "A mosque would give the city a different panorama. Given our history, there is a shock that Muslim immigration has brought a cultural rupture in our German and European culture." Riem Spielhaus, an expert on Islam in Europe at Berlin's Humboldt University, argued that mosque construction is a controversial issue because houses of worship in general have a high symbolic value in Europe, where the cathedral or church is usually the center of town. "A mosque symbolically retraces the changes that have been made in society," she said. "It reopens the debate on whether these changes are good, whether Muslims should live here, even whether Islam is a good religion." Spielhaus said opposition to mosques is also related to other issues irrelevant to the house of worship itself like Islam as a religion and security threats. Last month, the private secretary of Pope Benedict XVI of the Vatican gave voice to a spiraling Islamophobia in the continent warning of the "Islamization of Europe" and urging defense of Europe's "Christian roots." Rights "Everyone has a right to a significant house of worship," Marseille Mayor Jean-Claude Gaudin said. Despite opposition from right-wingers and come church leaders, mosque plans are usually backed by city officials and mayors, who see them as pivotal to help Muslims integrate into European societies. Former London mayor Ken Livingstone was one of the staunchest supporters of constructing grand mosques for Muslims. He rallied behind the plan for a grand mosque near the Olympics site, defending it as a symbol of communal harmony. The mayor of the Italian town of Colle di Val d'Elsa, Paolo Brogioni, has also defended Muslim plans for a mosque. "The Muslims are just as much residents of the town as any other," ha had said. The Cologne mosque is equally supported by all political parties, trade unions, and associations. Mayor Jean-Claude Gaudin of Marseille wants a "cathedral mosque" built after decades of debate. "Everyone has a right to a significant house of worship." http://mpacuk.org/content/view/3921/34/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacaylbaro Posted August 28, 2007 All these and they are building the biggest Church in Qatar ........... Cajaa'ibu dunyaa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted August 28, 2007 Qatar to build first Christian church for 1,400 years... Written by Islamic Times Thursday, 01 December 2005 The first Christian church in Qatar since the arrival of Islam in the 7th century is to be built in the conservative Muslim state. The £4 million development of the Church of the Epiphany, which will not have a spire or free-standing cross, will begin early next year on land donated by the Emir of Qatar, Shaykh Hamad bin Khalifa al- Thani. The Rev Clive Handford, the Anglican Bishop based in Nicosia in Cyprus and the Gulf, said: "We are there as guests in a Muslim country and we wish to be sensitive to our hosts . . . but once you're inside the gates it will be quite obvious that you are in a Christian centre." The grounds of the church, on the outskirts of the capital, Doha, will have crosses and flower motifs resembling those used in early Christian churches. Bishop Handford said "We hope that the centre can be a base for ongoing Muslim- Christian dialogue," Qatar has in recent years estimated the number of its Anglican community to number between 7,000 and 10,000 people. The site for the church has been levelled and a quarter of the £4 million needed has been raised by the Anglican community in Qatar, with the rest to be met by fundraising abroad. The church will be run by Ian Young, a 58-year-old Scot who has served as Doha's chief Anglican priest since 1991. History books will show that Christianity disappeared from most Gulf Arab states within a few hundred years of the arrival of Islam in the 7th century AD. But with no surprise, Westerners including Christians migrants have started to move back to the region over the past 100 years, particularly since the discovery of oil. As a consequence, some Gulf states have allowed churches to be built, for example Kuwait, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates, where Westernfriendly governments have sought to provide amenities in tourism and the labour force to attract skilled migrants. Some citizens of Qatar have expressed their dissatisfaction at their governments decision to make a church, stating that the money would be better spent in helping Muslims in poorer countries. Bishop Handford accepts that some people of Qatar might not be happy saying that "In the conservative Muslim world you'd expect it," he said. "You'd get the same in the conservative Christian world where mosques are being built." He added: "However we haven't experienced any problems or difficulties with the local people where the Church is being built. They have been welcoming and felt that this was right." The congregation will take security precautions but no "dramatic" measures are planned. Qatar, home to huge gas reserves and enjoying an economic boom, prides itself on its security. With a population of fewer than one million, centred mainly in Doha, it is confident that it can keep an eye on everybody. http://www.islamictimes.co.uk/content/view/92/50/ So we go from anti mosque building to donating land for a Church!. Cajiib! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baluug Posted August 28, 2007 Who the hell would want to live in a sh*tty place like Austria anyway? They're like Germany, only cheaper and dirtier. The only thing that came out of that cesspool is Ah-nold. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted August 28, 2007 LoL Its a EU wide thing saxib. They are all getting the jitters because of the 'Islamic bogey eyed monster'. Their lives, ideologies, culture and now their sky line is at risk. As long as they can get drunk on the weekend whats their problem? :rolleyes: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms DD Posted August 28, 2007 Say Goodbye to Europe MICHAEL FREUND Jan 10, 2007 LAST YEAR, after the publication of statistics revealing that 30 percent of German women have not had children, Germany's family minister, Ursula von der Leyen, caused a stir when she said that if her nation's birth rate did not turn around, the country would have to "turn out the light." And while Europeans may be busy everywhere but in the bedroom, the Muslim populations in their midst are proving far more expansive. As columnist Mark Steyn points out in his must-read new book, America Alone, "What's the Muslim population of Rotterdam? Forty percent. What's the most popular baby boy's name in Belgium? Mohammed. In Amsterdam? Mohammed. In Malmo, Sweden? Mohammed." ISLAM, BY all accounts, is the fastest growing religion in Europe, spurred by immigration and high fertility rates. According to projections by the US federal government's National Intelligence Council, the continent's current Muslim population of 20 million will likely double by 2025. JPost I know the above is out date but these people are petrified. Not sure why though as we are the most uneducated, undisciplined, low income earners people in Europe. How are we meant to takeover the world? cajaa'ib. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted August 29, 2007 Wonder why 'some' are avoiding this thread? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ariadne Posted August 29, 2007 They also do pupil dilation and sweaty hands test with immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East that are trying to move to the Netherlands. They show footage of two women kissing and two men kissing. People naked on a beach, etc to see how they will react to it as a prospective immigrants. to weed out the "fundamentalists" or the people who are devout as is the case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
