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Somaliland region MP: The talks between Sland and Federal Government are about unity

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"Somaliya iyo Somaliland In La Mideeyo ayaa la dooanayaa"

 

 

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Useless talks won't produce anything.

The only hope for unity is for the Somaliland army to  take over the south and bring peace. Then , the capital must be relocated to Hargeisa.

We can't do the same thing. We need new tough measures.

Corrupt southern politicians must be disbanded and coerced .  

#0 sanadood ayaa la sugayey waxna kama soo naasa cadda. Waar Budhcadan dawlada sheeganaysa aynu dalka ka dhacsano.

 

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Opinion of an MP (out of 82 in total) has no bearing on Somaliland's destiny. And even in here, if you pay attention to what he is saying, you will see he is actually saying that some members of International community (IC) wants a "unity" of Somalia and Somaliland.

Well, no shit, Sherlock. Which means, it may surprise this particularly MP, but it was always the case, that, what some in the IC wants has no bearing (whatsoever) on the decision of what Somaliland wants.

Hence, you could day, that, our cause was set 1991 and never will be changed.

As for those "silly Sheegato" who do not like that state-of-affairs, or do not like that set-in-stone-reality, well they can always "hop-on" in a plane and then land in Mogadishu. So they can feel at home with all the "unity" the likes of the Al-Shabaab of this world and its endless bombs can afford them to enjoy it. Whilst at the same time, they may be attempting to do their level best to "dodge" those bombs.

And to boot, soon or later, I believe the said international community (IC) particularly its influential ones, will come around to our cause. If not, well then there is really no hard feeling in here. Given that we have our country and we are growing our economy as best we can. And we have also our "precious liberty" into the bargain as well, in which no one has the ability to take it away from us.

So it's steady as she goes, as far as the eye can see, and in so far as we are concern, really. 

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OOdweyne, 

I agree. He has no bearing at all.

Laakiin Saaxiib, Are you ever thought of helping the innocent people dying everyday with hands of Al-shabaab while the weak and corrupt politicians take turns with no way out?

Remember, Somaliland have the capacity to change things.

Waxan ma sidaas uun baynu u daawanaa?. 

 

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Galbeedi,

Of course, my heart goes out these poor people who are getting slaughtered on a daily basis.

But unless the Southern's Elites understand how politically they have led their people down badly in a better part of close to three (3) decades and still counting, whilst at the same time they are stuffing-their-pockets with any easy loot in which the international community (IC) gives to Somalia as a basis of "State building", then nothing meaningful can be done for them.

And if you, on the other hand, try to be of help them, then they will drag you down into the bottom with them.

Hence, so long as they are brazenly claiming "legal suzerainty" over our land, as they are currently doing from their AMISOM's bunker in Villa Somalia, we can't be of help to them.

But if that change, in the sense of them willfully changing that attitudes of theirs, or the international community (IC) changes for them, then we can assist them in creating a proper functioning State by first addressing the "root cause" of their State-failure.

This "root cause" has largely to do with the lack of "reconciled communities" in the South, and the lack of an already agreed a "social contract" between them.

Which means this way of doing State creation for the South in turn can be a "exact replica" of how our Somaliland's State was first build in Borama in 1993. And that was, of course, by way of first creating a "social contract" encompassing all of the communities of the north after you have "reconciled" all warring clans in the territory, long before we even came around to the notion of building government at that same conference.

In other words, these Southern political elites are so determined to put the cart before the horse, in the sense of insisting of the creation of a government out of "warring" clans that have not yet reconciled with each other from whatever they have done to each other ever since 1991, and even before that.

And therefore you get the same endless result of a "Zero-Sum-Game", between these southern's clans, seasoned with the "murderous spice" that is of Al-Shabaab's terrorist action, given that the likes of Al-shabaab of this world are the sort of folks who are ever so ready to always take "advantage" of that lack of "trust" between the communities in the south.

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Dowladda dhexe iyo maamulka Waqooyiga ee Soomaaliya wey mideysanyihiin oo Soomaaliya ka wada tirsanyihiin. Haddee hadlaayaana sida maamul goboleedyada loola hadlaaye ayaa loola hadlaa. Midownimo iyo waxaas meesha ma yaalaan. Soomaaliya waa dal mideysan laakiin dagaalo sokeeye ka jiro.

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Aha, The type of a fiction people who are under Ethiopian's colonization sells each other to really beggars belief. But then again a man who knows nothing of the world, even the how lowly the price of his dignity really is (at least in the eyes of others) can always be rely on to "fantasize" about affairs he is not fit enough to worry "his little colonized head" with it.

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19 minutes ago, Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar said:

Dowladda dhexe iyo maamulka Waqooyiga ee Soomaaliya wey mideysanyihiin oo Soomaaliya ka wada tirsanyihiin. Haddee hadlaayaana sida maamul goboleedyada loola hadlaaye ayaa loola hadlaa. Midownimo iyo waxaas meesha ma yaalaan. Soomaaliya waa dal mideysan laakiin dagaalo sokeeye ka jiro.

Wa sidaas aad sheegtay. Aduunka hal Somalia bu aqoonsanyahay, wixi hoos yimadana wa mamuul goboleedyo.

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1 hour ago, galbeedi said:

Useless talks won't produce anything.

The only hope for unity is for the Somaliland army to  take over the south and bring peace. Then , the capital must be relocated to Hargeisa.

 We can't do the same thing. We need new tough measures.

Corrupt southern politicians must be disbanded and coerced .  

#0 sanadood ayaa la sugayey waxna kama soo naasa cadda. Waar Budhcadan dawlada sheeganaysa aynu dalka ka dhacsano.

 

 

Somaliand region politicians are generally too naive for the cutthroat politics of  the south. They could have absorbed  power way back by making Hargeisa the capital instead of Mogadishu but now it is too late they wasted almost 30 years of "ictraaf" nonsense that will never come.  

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Just now, Saalax said:

Wa sidaas aad sheegtay. Aduunka hal Somalia bu aqoonsanyahay, wixi hoos yimadana wa mamuul goboleedyo.

Xataa Eritareeya wax laga raadiyey, thinking Afwerki of all people would help them. Afwerki Soomaaliya iyo dadkeeda mahad gooni ah ayuu u haayaa, if only the prostituting wretched secessionist knew that. They have so far prostituted to Xabashis, to Ingiriis, to Imaaraad, to Kiikuuyo, all neglecting, xataa dib uma soo fiirinayaan. Ileen ceeb looma dhinto.

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Unless as usual little Sheegato we have around here are too hard of hearing, given that we have been broadcasting this news in close to three (3) decades, no one in Somaliland is actually interesting in Mogadishu and its politics.

Only those who failed in Hargeisa's politics seems to go there in Mogadishu as their "second-act" of searching a political job in the Somali peninsula. And, of course, those who so much desire to go there could simply go there at any given moment.

But we in Somaliland never had it so good. And recognition or no recognition, no one in Somaliland is that much minded to ever have any political connection with a failing polity that has been murdering each other for close to three (3) decades.

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Aha, talking about people who ought to be dying out of "shame", are we? Eh, irony of it. By the love of God, the irony of it is so much to bear it, really.

Why?

Well, here we have a enslaved creature, whose his region's ladies are literally "kept woman" for the pleasure of Ethiopian's soldiers. And yet he is talking about some other folks who ought to die out of "shame" because they are negotiating their legal recognition of Statehood.

Think about that, and notice that in one sense what we have are people who are "offering" their nubile ladies because they are under modern colonization, which is what we have on one hand.

And on the other hand, we have folks, like Somaliland, who are "parlaying" with others and doing so with "interests-based-transaction" in-order to get their legal recognition of their Statehood from them.

These "two episode of concrete reality" is something some folks in here are finding hard to tell apart, particularly as to which deserve the "appellation" of "dishonor" and "shame". That is the kind of folks we have in here of SOL, apparently.

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55 minutes ago, Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar said:

Xataa Eritareeya wax laga raadiyey, thinking Afwerki of all people would help them. Afwerki Soomaaliya iyo dadkeeda mahad gooni ah ayuu u haayaa, if only the prostituting wretched secessionist knew that. They have so far prostituted to Xabashis, to Ingiriis, to Imaaraad, to Kiikuuyo, all neglecting, xataa dib uma soo fiirinayaan. Ileen ceeb looma dhinto.

Some of them realize that fact.  Ali Gurey posted on his facebook page that the case of Somaliland region and Eritrea is very different and that Sland supporters should not be wasting their time hoping for a Eritrean miracle to rescue them. :D

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I got busy after my early post. 

OOdweyne,

Since the social contract of Somaliland,  despite some  economic and other institutional problems had produced a peace and functioning albeit unrecognized  state  among the citizens , is there any mechanism to copy and apply in the south.

The southern  Somalis seem to act always as shrewd politicians who know the game better than anybody else, yet state building and social contracts need patience, consensus and trust. 

When the Carta , Djibouti government was proclaimed in 2000, I met one  southern guy who was HG and I congratulated him since one of them become the first recognized president since the collapse of 1991. To my surprise , he said, " Dagaalka Muqdisho waxa uu dhexeeyey Caydiid Jufadiisa (Sa) and Unaka., C/qaasim was the wrong guy" I told him that I am from the North and all I know is a HAG guy been selected as a president, and I have no interest within the  internal squabble  of your clan. I thought he would address the big picture.

So, how would you proceed to create a social contract while you have foreign backed groups controlling some regions, the presence of Amisom and the presence of Al-shabaab? 

Please go ahead and try.

Personally , I do believe that A strong leader who looks solutions within the Somali people while removing foreign power inside the country  would have more chances of succeeding than  those expecting to pacify the country with the foreign muscle. 

If the mindset of the leader is pacify Somalia with money, military and muscle of other won't go anywhere.After 18 years, Americans in  Afghanistan have decided to sit down with the Taliban. Why not talk to Al-shbaab? It has been already 13 years with no success. 

 

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5 hours ago, galbeedi said:

Useless talks won't produce anything.

The only hope for unity is for the Somaliland army to  take over the south and bring peace. Then , the capital must be relocated to Hargeisa.

We can't do the same thing. We need new tough measures.

Corrupt southern politicians must be disbanded and coerced .  

#0 sanadood ayaa la sugayey waxna kama soo naasa cadda. Waar Budhcadan dawlada sheeganaysa aynu dalka ka dhacsano.

 

Galbeedi I just realized you are as delusional as the secessionst whose sole raison d'etre is the breakup of Somalia and supremacy of jeegaanta in a barren clan fiedom constant at war in Sool and now another clan war in Sanag. Their supporters even here in SOL support the wicked and evil shabaab causing destruction and mayhem in the south. No group of Somalis other than the jeegaanta ever harbored so much  hatred for their fellow citizens. They enjoy every shabaab bombing in Mogadishu as if that will help them.

The current politicians in the north identified as jeegaanta are weak and unable to compete for high office in Somalia so the fall back is to rule clan fiedom  which will never become a country. Qabiil Qaran Ma Noqdo.

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