^ JB, Seeker and I signed a secret agreement for her to roll over and play dead and for me to claim victory. Don't spoil it for me, ok?

^ The eagle has landed. Run away!

^ It's always great when the other party sees things my way.

How is it a moot point? Your dubious stats, for you've provided no reference, indicate that if 31% of women are raped by a stranger then a whopping 69% is raped by someone they know. In line with what I said. Tempting the devil kulaha? So now the devil is not out to get us but we're just paranoid. Atheer, let me break it down for you like this: rape is a crime committed against those conceived as less powerful for reasons we are not certain of. It is a crime of opportunity and the perpetrator will rape as long as they believe they can get away with it. How the victim is dressed, where she is, what she says prior to the rape is all irrlevant information. The victim is the prey and the rapist is the predator. Victims do not send out invitation cards to be violated. Plain and simple, atheer?

^ So now how we dress is what causes rape? Do you understand the ramifications of what you're saying? Most rape occurs between people who know each other so your low-cut, thong-showing jeans argument is out the door. Second, society finds women to share the "50%" of blame because society judges women on a different scale than men. You ought to know that, woman! And your drift is hot air, I don't wanna catch it!

^ I reject your story (respectfully, of course). If that were true, what you said about appearence, then the perpetrator is taken off the hook and the victim is the guilty party. It's like saying kids in swim suits attract attention from pedophiles therefore kids should swim in full body armor. Catch my drift?

^ Do you know why many of these crimes go unattributed to Somalis? It's because our great parents and 'toll' would quickly wisk the junior criminal Faarax to Somalia out of the reach of the laws in the west. So when the criminals are apprehended before they're taken out of the country we're shocked. We're shocked the damn clan didn't buy the airline ticket fast enough to get the gangsta out of the country. The crime they committed is just details. The message this sends to our kids, of course, is that it's ok to rob, rape, kill and destroy for the worst thing that could happen to you is chew qaad in Somalia. Oh what joy! P.S. What would utterly shock me, though, is if that female with the four suspects was Somali herself.

^ Where's Alle-ubaahne when you need him, eh? You can 10-55d when I've spotted him.

^ Nur should have put this way (sans the if I offended you conditional apology): FGM is as wrong as abortion in that it is ill timed. The former is done to every girl without ever finding out if she would become a 'bad gurl'. Same with abortion. The fetus is aborted before we know it's a good kid or a bad one. Instead, both FGM and abortion should be left as an option during the critical years (say between 14-22) when you are fairly certain the girl has gone bad or that fetus (now this gangsta punk) is not worth keeping. I think we could all agree on the above, no?

Northener, we're on the same page dude. I just wish what you'd said had been uttered by someone else. I would then commence the lynching proceedings. For the most part, you make sense and therefore I'll halt the attacks on you. I just need a victim today. Any volunteers? Alle-ubaahne?

They've no guns? The officer killed is missing? The latter is the only sad part I see in all of this. Unfortunately, we lament the fact that Somalis can, and do, become gangsters. I forget, though, the cop was a kuffar lady stopping muslim Somali youth from getting "what's theirs". As you were.

^ Atheer your dream is quickly becoming my nightmare if it keeps showing up in every section of this forum. Congrats!

^ Calm down atheer and don't take this personally. It was the collective (effin) heads and not just yours. What, may I ask, is so surprising about this? That Somalis don't commit robberies? That if they do and get caught in the process, wouldn't shoot their way out of it? What exactly is the surprising (or sad) aspect of this? And no, I don't know where Bradford is but it must have a gang or two and a bank or two to rob. And don't roll your eyes, atheer. It looks awfully childish on you.

^ Indeed. I pray to Allah to take me and keep me there.

^ For the millionth time we are "shocked" Somalis are committing crimes. Are you people out of your effin minds? Do the crimes occuring in Somalia for the past 15 years against innocent women and children not count as crimes? Are Somalis not capable of being cold blooded killers? Get off your effin high horses and smell the coffee. Where do these haughty attitudes come from? We are as criminal as any other race or nation on earth. Get that through your effin heads!

^ I agree with Callypso that it's depressing the conviction rate. I'd just like to add that rape (as it exists in the animal kingdom) is a form of reproduction. Yes, it sounds unbelievable but males of inferior genes that normally would have much difficulty finding a willing and suitable mate use rape as means to propagate their seed. Even at a 5% success rate (studied in ducks) it is far greater than the 0% these inferior males normally face. It may be that, on a basic level, male humans use rape for the same purpose. Ultimately though it is a display and projection of power. For as there are inferior males, there also exists inferior femals that can't use rape as a form of reproduction. The attitudes about rape are changing but we all know "wixii xunba Xaawaa leh". These studies just go to show that ingrained belief.

^ You're not suggesting muslims (and Somalis) discriminate, do you? This would be the first time I hear of such an accusation.

^ It's good to see JB take time from his busy practice and give back to the community as a public defender.

^ Careful there Muhammad. The women on this forum are not thorns and Nur is far from a prophet. His absence while this is going on makes me contemplate the withdrawal of my support for him. Where is the man of the hour?

^ For those who've lived in the west for any length of time, it is very difficult to live in Somalia/land. Hargeisa, like any other city, is littered with brand new houses with many ammenities and luxurious mansions fit for kings and queens. Unfortunately, many are empty or inhabited by someone other than the owner. Why? Because the euphoria fades in a few months and reality sets in. That reality is building a castle that reaches the clouds in a land that has lost its mind is a waste of money and the ultimate display of ego, pride, showing off and other personality flaws. The facts on the ground quickly send the owners packing and back to a dingy apartment in London, Minneapolis or Dubai.

^ Love is haraam? Good riddance.

^ Castration is not a surgical procedure really but a chemical one (via injection). Nothing is physically removed but the idea is to reduce testosterone (and in turn, the sexually deviant urges). Some say it's cruel. I don't know. It's better than other things, like life in prison or even death. But does it work? I'm actually reading about (sexual) deviancy in humans at the moment and may be I'll share what I find out.

Ducaqabe, I tried my best to read that article. Either I have lost my language skills or the person who wrote it has lost his. I did not gather one piece of information from that thing. Between the "uu"'s and the "ii"'s, I was scratching my head. Can we find this in english somewhere? Thanks!

Originally posted by Ducaqabe: How about an amputation for child molesters, rapists, sex offenders and pedophilers. A good method of deterrence? You mean castration? Yeah. I'm all for that. Add to this list those who walk out on their kids to father other ones in different towns.

^ So what's the scoop dear? The sheikh travelled around the world in eighty days on his greed card?