Originally posted by Viking: KEYNAAN, Correct me if I'm mistaken but weren't you a non-Muslim? Aren't you against all form of theocracy, Shari'a and Islam in general? this is the news I was reffering to..., and they seemed to know one another. Did I sound judging? I don't think so.

^^And total denialist, too!

^Soon we will treat you from the bad ills you inherited from the cyber world of tribalism. The Islamic courts will prescribe you some Quranic medications, insha-Allah. And you will find yourself well and in great condition. Don't be sad about the great advances by the Courts...its your best interest.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^ Baidoa is not Abdiqaybdeed. As for these courts were do they control? Parts of Xamar, Balcad, Jowhar and Guriceel? Ubahane, you will learn that these clan courts are not all they are cracked up to be. Just liek your former warlord bosses were not as powerful as they claimed... Finally you are sad, and I am happy! Alxamdulilah.

There are reports from here that indicate KEYNAN22 is not a Muslim! I am not sure how valid is that, but it is according to one account news. Why do we need to talk about this?

Originally posted by AYOUB_SHEIKH: Kaana sib kanna SAAR Hambalyo 26 ka Juun. Anaga oo ku hadlayna magacyadayada iyo kan Jaaliyadda Reer Somaliland ... Why can't you say rather, "anaga oo ku hadleyna magaceena iyo kan beesha dagta Gobolka Waqooyi Galbeed, waxaan u dabaal dageynaa maalinta qabiilkeena uu xornimada aanan wali qaadan oo baadigoobkeeda ku jirno....." That would confess the truth in full precision, but you really confussed yourself as well as others.

Where will the ship dock? Now, we see where the ship is going to dock; its Baydhabo, insha-Allah! Let's roll, ladies and Gentlemen.

Originally posted by Allamagan: Funny dress! Tacbaan.com, tuutihii CIA-du u qaybisay ayuu soo xirtay, what kind of signal is he sending out? You make me laugh, Walaahi! ala yaa ila qosla

Its sad indeed. but Allah will help us one day, insha-Allah.

Lazy Girl wrote: I never understood why pple have the tendency to share personal information that is not wanted by the general audience, I mean, I sure as hell don't want to read or know about your issues. I wonder what you would have done if forums and the internet weren't available to you. I'm not picking on you at all, rather fed up with "I have a problem" what should I do routine, its getting old. There are bigger problems then going out with a dude, pple are starving, homeless, not sure if we will all live tomorrow and all you concerned about is what you should do? The reality is, whether u get a good advise or not, you will go out regardless, so why wait for a response, go on ahead do whatever it is you originally planned on doing? People will talk no matter what you do, you could decise to stay home and not go through, and they will find something else to talk about. Don't live a life based with the notion of "what would pple think", they ain't living your life, you are, so why worry what others think of you? I have said my piece. It seems you are full of nonsense. Please don't offend others, and take your personal issues to somewhere else! This type of people always irritate me, Aloow yaa edbiya oo bakoorad la dhaco! :mad: :mad:

The general is expressing alot of worry thesedays since the Islamic courts he disliked most had begun to gain a recognition from the baseless government in Baydhabo. Sorry GD to see your hope slashed by those selfish leaders in the TFG.

Originally posted by Sophist: Waan gartey, waxaad awood uleedahay inaad Qalbigeyga daalacato? I think the line from that famous poet should suffice here: Cad Haduu Carada kaaga Dhaco Amase Ciidoobo Caqli nimuu ku weyn yahay macuno Calafka qaarkiise Aniga gabankani waa iga ceynkaas. War ku mee, xageed ku baxsatay!

Originally posted by KEYNAN22: who cares if you are satisfied or not? you sit in you western comfort and dont mind the conflict in somalia to continue because of your disatisfaction of who holds the presidential title or not, lol. try to see the wider picture, they have signed an agreement and thats something positive for the somali people in somalia. "not elected" kullaha, what do you think somalia is, a country in a condition to afford such luxury as national elections? Wake up and smell the reality, i'm frankly tired of negative people such as you, who never sees the light at end of the tunnel =====> Wait a minute! Are you saying because they signed an immaterial deal, we gonna have a full peace and total security under the biggest warlord of all warlords, A/Y? If you think I don't care about my people and country, wake up my friend, its my people in Somalia who are in comfort because of my hard work here in America. And accepting such utterly nonsensicall deal, it makes us more stupidh by flirting with more destructions. I don't see any positive so far, I only see a defusion they trying to make for the escalating issues between the warlord entity and the Islamic Courts, that is all. And that man, the deadly traitor will never become my president, I rather have Somalia without any legitimate governmental system.

^^Do they make sense?

Originally posted by WaTerLily: ^^^looooooool Alle Ubahane, Sorry I cant continue arguing with you. Clearly you are of a bygone age. If it was filthy Allah wouldn't have created it and it serves a function. Get over it. It won't be long before we read about your jail sentence either Subxaanalaah, What did I do here? War waala bi'i waayay, caradiiyoo dhan waa qasan tahay, walee. Look guys, let me be honost to you. I understand the plight of girls in undergoing such practices, but why can't we stop it after our generations, because for us, at least from my perspective, it seems we're unready to gear up towards that path which leads to the non-FGM. Can we compromise it just in our generation, and by the time I become Sixty, I will make sure we'll help you out in making sure that practice is ceased once and for all. Let's strike a good deal here!

Originally posted by General Duke: Nation lets stay posative. The courts send this delegation to represent them. The agreement is a posative one. So lets stay posative.. I am not satisfied unless you ailing uncle stops calling himself the president of Somalia, cause there is none of the somali people had elected him to that illusive office, except the foregone warlords. He should be brought to justice for his crimes against the people.

Originally posted by WaTerLily: You are all talking about education; time is running out for these girls, no amount of education will save them. Its here and now for them. I think the fact that so many Somali women have been mutilated and survived does not make it an excuse for others to continue doing it. When girls had FGM performed on them back home, it was a national thing; everyone else had either undergone it or would be. Now it's a completely different thing, the psychological damage must be unimaginable, where your parents take you from a safe place to have you mutilated all in the name of 'naqan'. I wonder how some would react if it was a child that was physically beaten every time, I'm sure that would get more sympathy rather than FGM which too many are too desensitized to. Alle Ubahane, culture has no use when it is harmful. Before you open your mouth next time perhaps you should do some research into the harm caused by FGM to the female health? I wonder if it is a mere coincidence that Somali women have the highest death rate in the world whilst giving birth. These kinds of 'cultures' as you call will be gone sooner than you can blink. And just because parents choose not to harm their children does not mean they have been 'westernized'. Valenteenah I completely agree with you. As for The Point and others, you are arguing over technicalities and terms, there is nothing ambiguous about the fact that removing God given body parts is not only immoral but also a punishable crime. To plead ignorance is pathetic. It's too bad for this Somali dad, perhaps his punishment will save countless other Somali girls. So, are you suggesting Naag-buuryo qab ah inaan guursano? The fight continues, and we know who is going to win ultimately, insha-Allah.

Originally posted by wiil_duco: abdi abtiyoow waxaa iila egtahay mid xaqa iska indha tiro. waxbanadan ayaan eegay saad wax uqortid waxaad jeceshay in aad maqashid waxa niyadaada ay jaceshahay lakiin Runta waad ka dheeraataa You telling me the court set by Daahir aways, Indhacad, seeraar, Goobaale, an so on waa xaq oo ma ah qab qablayaal. and the one set by Xuseen aydeed and C/qaydid waa qab qablayaal And Ahlul Suna waljameeca kooxa ladhoho waa qab qablayaal. Ilaaheey hakuu naxariisto.<======= Koley waxay ila tahay inaad qaldan tahay, oo Cabdi uusan dhibku aheyn. Ma waxaad garan weysay in Maxkamadaha Islaamka ee Muqdishu uuna hogaanka sh. Shariif ka yahay in ay xaq ku taagan yihiin? Illaahow ceeb astur, Aamiin!

Originally posted by HornAfrique: quote:Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: ^Where did you get that before you start to question the validity of Shabelle News? Sxb, there is only one difference between the Duke you accuse tribalism of and yourself. Duke diinta iskuma qariyo. Don't even try to lie in public, son!

^^Caruur war la'aan baa cadaabka looga xoreeyay! ma waxaad is tiri Alle-ubaahne gabayga ma holiyo? Walee tan fadeexo iyo waji-gabax waxaan aheyn kalama tagtid, ee iga dhageyso, wiil yahow malagiisu wato: Cimrigeyba waataan maansada ka caga-jiidaa'ye Isma oran ciyaal baa caasha kuula soo gali'e Ciziyo sharafbaan biday inaan ceeb ka dhowrsada'e Culimo dhasheediyo waxan ahay wiil cafiifsoon'e Balse cilad baa jirtiyo caruur aanu caalweynay Ee caalamkow fiirsada casharka uu qaato! Ma waxaan kaa celinayaa diinta Caadilkeena? iyo Caaqilkaad u gaftiyo caalimkii SOL e Cindiga waxa kaaga jira cudurka naafeysan! Diinu-caayga wateey ku jabeen duulki shalay'e Ciidankii rabaad nacebtahoo carro u qaaday'e Caqli laga dhursugo maleh walee cunugan duuflaaley! Cadowgiin hajabo qoomki Xamar ciidmay, oo Citiraafay Nabigoo ummadi qaar ceynshay Cidwalbaa waatey ku faraxday coomaadigase ma'oji Cakuye nimaan ciil ka bixin waligiis ceebowye! Sophistow cuqdad baa ku heshay cishada maantaaye Ciziyo karaamana malihid aan kugu cizeeyaa'e Muslimkii ciyaar buu tuntoo ciid kuwada taamye Adiguse caraabaa tiyo qoomkii Cabdullaahi Inuuse Eebahey ku caafiyo, caawa aan ku duceysto! Ok, do I proceed, or I bombard you with more strikes?

Originally posted by Sophist: Waxa wadanku uula degi la'ayahay waxa weeye qashinkaan dadka maskaxdooda ka buuxsamey. Walaalkey Alahe Ubaahane, bal ha iisheego Islaam diidnimada iyo Qabyaalada meesha ey kaga taalo maqaalkan kor ku qoran. War Rabi halaga cabsado. Fadlan walaale, point out to us and I shall repent wholly. If you don't do that you are at a risk that Hadalkaaga in aan wax danbe laga soo qaadin. Sophistow, adna waa ogtahay, anigana waan ogahay, ee walaalow qasadkaaga iyo ujeedada aad leedahay gaar, koley dadka inaad tashwiish ku furtid oo aad sheeko aan loo joogin abuurto baad rabtaye. Waxaan hubaa in waxaad qortay iyo cinwaanka aad u sameysay ay ahaayeen intaba arimo salka ku haya qabyaalad iyo qabiil. Ilaahey ka cabso, oo ummada ka daa waxa qalbiga kaaga jira oo aan oran karo waa walaac aan loo meel dayin.

^Where did you get that before you start to question the validity of Shabelle News?

Originally posted by Valenteenah: ^^ Sure. Ambiguities exist, but not when it comes to FGM. I don't know how much more harmful you can be to your child. Perhaps it would have hit different sensibilities if another part of her body was mutilated, like maybe her face? I don't know. I think you are taking it too lightly. Attention Getter, I am happy your views are not gaining any relevency in our people, even in the coming 50 years. So, how is your assimilation process to the west doing so far?

Originally posted by Warsan: I remember having a very long and very intense argument with someone about this very subject and I was supporting that children under 15 be checked by female doctors before they go to countries where FGM is practiced. People have full body exams for all sorts of things and I don't see the problem with that. FGM is haram, its disgusting, sickening, painful, and alot of times fatal. Anyone who supports it is either completely spineless & ignorant or a sadistic, controlling, abusive monster. Children need to be protected. If innocent and helpless children are being violated and mutilaited to such a horrendous extent by the neighbourhood outcasts (couldn't they at least get trained professionals to it with anestitic if they insist on it? and don't even for one second try to compare it to male circumcision) then someone should step up to the plate to protect them. It's a muslim's duty to obey the laws of the country they reside in - if you don't like it, move. But don't come and enjoy it's opportunites but then cry when you're punished for thinking you can get away with breaking the law. You are outside of our culture and people when you talk like that. And please don't say you are a Somali when you have nothing to do with us, in believe and in norms! She ruined my half-gone happy day! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Originally posted by WaTerLily: I don't know all the fact but if he took his daughter on purpose to have her circumsticed, then he deserves what he gets. That should teach a lesson to all Somali parents, if you are not willing to protect your kids others will. Are you happy now? I am sad, for that father's plight and the kuffars dictating on the fate of his daughter! You know what?..... As of now, we should all circumcize our daughters, even our grown ups, and show the kuffars how loyal we are to our values and historic cultures! That is right, and let's see if they can stop us or not! :mad: