G^woman that laugh is just plain mean lily, inst there are really successful guy called 'looser' in the freakeconomics faarax (Mcentyre style) MAN YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS 1-800-onyango, no way man

Originally posted by -Lily-: Canoo I like it too, but on second thought, it must be a difficult name to live up to, to be sensational at all times. I'm sure you wouldn't need to be trying lily -Nomadique-, I once met an indian guy called Khrushchev -his father was a communist-, but you've got to give it to these peoples, they do have a certain 'us against the world quality'

The Philippine name game By Sarah Toms BBC News, Manila, From Our Own Correspondent was broadcast on Saturday, 14 January, 2006 at 1130 GMT on BBC Radio 4. Naming a child is often a difficult decision. For many Filipinos, individuality is an important factor, with many choosing unconventional first names. So when the BBC's Sarah Toms gave birth in the Philippines, could she come up with an original name? In March, my daughter will be celebrating her second birthday in Manila. Made in the Philippines and born in the Philippines, it seems only yesterday that I was trying to leave hospital with my newborn. The nurses had quickly christened her "Miss Philippines" because of her long legs. But then I discovered that until I came up with a real name and began her birth registration at the hospital, I would not be allowed to leave. Exhaustion made any decision difficult and I started worrying I would be celebrating her first birthday in the hospital if I did not find a name soon. 'Ace' politician Filipinos place serious importance on finding unique names for their children, most of them injected with a large dose of Philippine humour. Here, there is nothing ironic about a senator called Joker Arroyo - it is his real name. Joker Arroyo Joker Arroyo, who is no relation to the Philippine President Gloria Arroyo, has a brother called Jack but there is no word on any other siblings called Queen or King. Another politician however, is known as Ace. Congressman Robert Ace Barbers is always known by his middle name as his two other brothers and late father all share Robert as their first name. One composite name that has become popular is Luzviminda, taken from the three main regions of the Philippines: Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao. One writer said it is like being called "Engscowani" for England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. In this devoutly Roman Catholic country it is not surprising that many have taken on religious names, but with a Philippine twist. Take the mayor of Makati, the financial district in Manila. His name is Jejomar, composed of the first few letters of Jesus, Joseph and Mary. Catholicism started here with the arrival of the Spanish in 1521 and the colonisation of the Philippines. Beyond food and architecture, religion is one of the lasting influences of Spanish rule. And that is at the root of the desire to have a unique first name. Many Filipinos who converted to Catholicism took on surnames with religious references, such as Santos or De la Cruz, for good luck. But this resulted in many people having the same last names. To solve the problem, the Spanish decided to restrict the surnames of Filipinos to a number of acceptable ones. But with a rapidly growing population, it seems there are not enough last names to go round. Originality Security experts say that with so many surnames being the same it can take ages to do background checks. A first name with a bit of individuality can help avoid confusion and cases of mistaken identity. Filipinos encounter their own problems with the country's notoriously poor records system. Getting a bank loan or passport can be a nightmare if someone with the same name is wanted for a crime. With the country ranked as one of the most corrupt in Asia, thousands of Filipinos are forced to walk around with certificates from the National Bureau of Investigation to prove they are not wanted criminals. So a first name with a bit of individuality can help avoid confusion and cases of mistaken identity. Because of that I know a Peachy, a Preciosa and even a Bogi. I also know a Boy and a Girlie, names that often come from being the lone son or daughter in a large family. I even have a female friend called Ken and no one thinks it is odd. Still, I was taken aback when a famous and middle-aged newspaper columnist asked me to call him Babe. Cultural misunderstanding Some of the names are real and some are nicknames, but it is hard to tell them apart. That brings me to the doorbell names: it is not uncommon to call your little one Bing, Bong, Bong Bong and even Ping and Ting. Another category is the rock 'n' roll name. How would you feel being christened Led Zeppelin, Mick Jagger or Nirvana? One journalist friend told me of an interview he had with a Hitler Manila. Mr Manila, who does not share the Nazi ideology, told him that he was always remembered for his name but it sometimes caused problems. One time, when he was shooting pool with some visiting Germans, the atmosphere became tense after he wrote his name on the blackboard to reserve the next game. Order was not restored until he pulled out his driving licence to prove his name really was Hitler. Still, that experience did not stop him from carrying on the family tradition. His sons are named Himmler and Hess after two of Hitler's closest associates. Deliberation Another friend told me of a couple who named their five daughters Candy, Caramel, Cookie, Peanut and Popcorn. Scott Harrison, an American businessman here, says he has heard of a woman who gave birth to twin girls on either side of midnight, naming them Sunday and Monday. Nothing unusual in that - my daughter's kindergarten teacher is called Wednesday. So what did I name my daughter? After much deliberation and temptation to join the Philippine name game, I settled for an old French favourite, Elise. Elise is not a strange name by any means, but in the Philippines it is as unusual as you can get.

Originally posted by Paragon: Bloody hell. Just imagine trying to smooth-talk a woman and introducing yourself; 'hello sweet thing, how are we doing this fine day, eh?' (stretching your hand out to her) ' I am NeverTrustAWoman, whats yours?' With lines like that I think your name would be the last worry Ghanima glad to have raised a chuckle Legend of Zu: I Love the name sensation, it must make you smile every time you refer to her. Dahia al Kahina, names to turn away the evil eye are quite popular around the world, the chinese are famous for it. talking of names, i've just been reminded of the Philippines, see below.

Dhulqarnayn -alSumaale, we will be the somali anti defamation league. And if you live in the UK, you get to know a lot of Idi Amin's victims black, indian and arab. So its tragic to see that kind of rhetoric and propaganda being replayed in the 21century - not least by the so called educated - actually i shoudnt say 'not least', its always the pseudo intellectuals and the ruling classes that lay those fires. Ordinary people are too busy trying to build a life. MMA, its not journalism, it putting out the logs to stoke the fire with. jot down a couple of paragraphs and PM them to me, i will add spice to them when i get back from work and we can give the editor a piece of our mind

Bulawayo Journal, and the ny-times, By MICHAEL WINES and Published: October 1, 2007. Gavin du Venage from Sedgefield, South Africa, and a researcher from Zimbabwe contributed, Photographs by Joao Silva for The New York Times Godknows Nare, a Zimbabwean videographer, with his son, Ufense, in Diepsloot, South Africa. Godknows says people think he is joking when he tells them his first name, given him at age 1 when his parents feared he might die. BULAWAYO, Zimbabwe — Thirty-two years ago in western Zimbabwe, a baby boy named Tlapi was born so sick that his parents feared he would die. They took him to sangomas, or traditional healers, and to Western-style doctors, but nothing worked. It seemed that God, not man, would decide his fate. So when he was 1 year old, Tlapi’s parents changed his name to reflect that. “Some people think I’m lying when I tell them my name,” said Godknows Nare, who survived to become a freelance photographer. “They think I am teasing them. But I’m not.” Not at all. In Harare, Zimbabwe’s capital, another Godknows was a waiter at a popular outdoor cafe. So was a man named Enough, about whom more will be said later. Across southern Africa, in fact, one can find any number of Lovemores, Tellmores, Trymores and Learnmores, along with lots of people named Justice, Honour, Trust, Gift, Energy, Knowledge and even a Zambian athlete named Jupiter. Some Westerners chuckle. Perhaps they are oblivious — Oblivious is another Zimbabwean name, actually — to the fact that they once idolized a cowboy star named Hopalong or that many baby girls are given the name of a jewelry store to carry through life. Indeed, Godknows, Enough and company are a continuation of an African tradition arguably more logical than the one that churns out Justins and Tiffanys in America. In southern Africa, a child’s name is chosen to convey a specific meaning, and not, as is common in the West, the latest fashion. Smile, a truck driver in Bulawayo, Zimbabwe, shows a facial expression fitting of his name. Increasingly, however, those traditional names are bestowed not in Ndebele, Sotho or some other local language, but in English, the world’s lingua franca. English names arrived with colonial rule, were further imposed by missionaries and, for some, became fashionable with the spread of Western culture. But for Godknows, Enough and others, the result can be confusion — and sometimes, hilarity — even among fellow Africans. “Quite a few people tell me I am cursed,” said Hatred Zenenga, an editor at Zimbabwe’s government-controlled newspaper, The Herald. “They say my name is un-Christian. They tell me that I should change it to Lovewell, or some other Christian name. And others are just surprised — ‘How did you get that name?’” Hatred got his name the way millions of other children here have — as a means of recording an event, a circumstance or even the weather conditions that accompanied their births. “For instance, if it was windy, the name may be Wind. If it was rainy, it may be Rain,” said Matole Motshekga, the founder of the Kara Heritage Institute, based in Pretoria. “If there are problems in the family, they will use the appropriate name. So you cannot just name someone out of the blue. It has to relate to something.” Thus a Zimbabwean baby born to parents who had spent years trying to start a family might be named Tendai, which expresses thankfulness, and a child born in a time of troubles may be named Tambudzai, which literally means no rest. Or, just as likely these days, a baby will be named Givethanks or Norest. If a Sotho-speaking girl becomes pregnant before marriage, her unhappy parents may name the baby Question or Answer — an answer to the question of why their daughter was behaving so strangely before the pregnancy became known. Hatred has its own story. Mr. Zenenga is one of seven children born to hard-working parents who were determined to educate their brood. The family’s rising status made the father’s illiterate brothers jealous. So except for the first child, who died as an infant, all the children were named to address the jealousy and other emotions that raged among the adults: Norest, Hatred, Praise, Confess, Raised-on and Abide. For Mr. Zenenga’s parents, the names were an inside joke, a fillip in the continuing family feud. “My father’s relatives didn’t speak English,” he said. “So he said, ‘We’re going to name our children in English so they won’t understand what we are saying to them.’” Some scholars, including Dr. Motshekga, frown on the trend toward Anglicized names. “It’s an entrenchment of a loss of identity,” he said, “a joke. You say ‘I’m Wind,’ and they really make fun of the person.” The Financial Gazette in Harare loosed an assault on the trend toward English names in a 2004 essay. “Oh, please! Why burden our children so unnecessarily just for the sake of feeding our misguided ego?” a columnist complained. “Quite frankly, these names amount to a form of child abuse.” In some cases, maybe. Have-a-Look Dube is a well-known Zimbabwean soccer player. There are Zimbabwean children named Wedding, Funeral, Everloving, Passion and Anywhere, among others. A spirit medium who recently duped Zimbabwean officials into believing he had found diesel fuel flowing from a rock has the unfortunate name of Nomatter Tagarira. A Bulawayo truck driver is named Smile, and true to form, he is never without a broad smile on his face. That said, none of the monikers were plucked from “1,001 Baby Names” or chosen to imitate a pop star. Consider Enough, the Harare cafe waiter. Asked how he got his name, he said simply: “My mother had 13 children. And I was the last one.” Then there is the fellow from Dopotha, a village west of Bulawayo, who was born while his father was in Congo, fighting in that nation’s civil wars. When the father returned, the father concluded that the newborn almost certainly was not his, and he decided to make that clear. The son’s name? Never Trust a Woman.

I saw that a while back, Gaariye is a terrific orator, if you run into his graciousness in hargeysa, pass on a nod for me please there are 2 parts but sadly the complete lecture is not online . and p.s. such a fantastic lecture

I'd be sceptical

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar, I think Patrick Jaramogi's article deserves a reply and complaint to the editors of 'new vision', its slanderous the somali community in uganda, its casual implications are marking a whole community as thieves, simply because they are successful in the face of adversity. How about we write that complaint.

^pass it on, i'll make my beard extra bushy for it

lol, true, i'm sporting a dashing chin hamster, and true i could with a discount here and there , but surely that isn't the issue. The guy said that the woman *must* and repeat *must* comply with his preference for *her* religious believe in order to be treated. Your pulling my leg, and are too intelligent not to see that there is something deeply wrong with that

lol, aahh beards, the universal access cards that they are

well done and congratulations Abdusalam Abubakar

north, was it conditional on what kind of somali you were? were you asked act a certain somali way, maybe you were provided with a cotton cloth to wrap your self with to prove your somaliness?

if we support this man's stance towards the public now, lets not rush to condemn the next nutter that comes along with what muslims are/aren't and can or can't be.

^ RE: "I see some are talking about him finding a more Muslim friendly profession! What exactly does that mean?" A male only hermitage on the outskirts of riyard of course

Surely Riyadh would be more appropriate no? At least there would be no more infidels or "card carrying muslims"

faarax: Fair enough. I just think all this sanctioning of free speech and name calling is just silly/ People have different opinions and positions. This dentist's position appeals to someone somewhere in the UK. What you call extremism is someone else's belief. Look,the guy has an opinion & i think for you or anyone to sanction him is an infrignment of his freedom of speech. If you disagree with his position,get on the same medium he used and rebutt it. faarax, i think that it goes beyond having or expressing an opinion, and to be truthful, i would think that in general, the people he's offended would be the first in line to defend his right to have and voice his opinion. The offence is in the enforcement of his opinion. Put another way, if one agrees with Mr. Butt and his expectations of what a muslim woman aught to be like, then one also agree with jack straw on what a muslim aught to do in his presence also - since they are both applying the same logic, of the enforcement of personal preference over another persons choice.

hehehhe, karma is punishing you for abusing the sheekh title

Dentist guilty in headscarf row A dentist who told a female patient she must wear a Muslim headscarf to receive treatment has been found guilty of serious professional misconduct. Dr Omer Butt was found guilty of discriminating against the woman, known as Ms A, by a disciplinary panel of the General Dental Council (GDC). The patient said she was "humiliated and upset" after the encounter at the surgery in Bury, Greater Manchester. Dr Butt received an admonition at the end of the three-day GDC hearing. Stewart Goulding, chairman of the GDC professional conduct committee, told Dr Butt that his conduct had fallen short of the standard expected. But he said the committee had noted testimonials from other patients in reaching their conclusion. He said: "The committee is satisfied that the appropriate decision is to conclude the case today with this admonition. "As a member of a caring profession, a dentist has a responsibility to put the interests of patients first. "The professional relationship between dentist and patient relies on trust and the assumption that a dentist will act in the best interests of the patient. "The effect of your actions on this occasion was to impede patient A's access to local dental services." The dentist had denied the charges, but admitted he would ask Muslim women to cover up in accordance with Islamic law before he treated them and reducing fees to encourage patients to wear the headscarf. Dr Butt, of Prestwich, Greater Manchester, was found to have "undermined public confidence" in the dental profession by discriminating against the woman in April 2005. Giving evidence in his defence, Dr Butt said he "politely requested" the woman, a non-practising Muslim, to wear a headscarf. He said it was "unlawful" for him, as a Muslim, to look at a Muslim woman who was not properly covered up. The patient, a community nurse who worked in Bury, said Dr Butt told her she would have to find another dentist because she would not wear the headscarf. The hearing was told the dentist later quoted Islamic Sharia law on appropriate relationships between men and women. Patient A said she was told by a dental nurse at the surgery: "Inside the surgery it's Dr Butt's world and his rules apply." The patient said she sought to register at the Unsworth Smile Clinic after the birth of her young child because it was nearer to her home. She said she telephoned the clinic to make an appointment and was told they required Muslim women to wear the headscarf. Muslim men attending the clinic could not wear gold jewellery, she was told. source ----------------------------------------- So who agrees with his stance and believes that Muslim doctors/dentists/[any other non clerical professionals] should attempt enforce the behaviour of other muslims they interact with?

CIV and tekken have been the only 2 games i *could* ever actually play, but I haven't been able to play CIV for at least the last 5 years - every time i loaded the damn thing, i couldn't/didn't sleep for literally 2 days while i conquered the world

Originally posted by Ms Dhucdhuc & Dheylo: CG Maxaa u diidey inuu Khalaf lahaado an opinion? Its not a matter of my sanction to khary's opinion, but whether there is a subject to bestow such opinion. How does the free choice of 2 adults regarding how to spend the rest of *their* lives warrant the noses of unaffected bystanders? Originally posted by Bob: PS. Caano Geel...it's good to enlighten each other with these kind of informative topics. Its not enlightenment, but at best its just gossip and at worst its malicious. I've seen the fall out from the dhag-dheerada before and would never wish it on any one. So it still begs the question, when were we made the custodians of morality and what business do we have in other peoples relationships

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Khalaf, regardless, what business of yours is it any way?

Jac, man i live in the city, how come i hear these things from you via hargeysa!