The secessionists are rattled..

*Ibtisam;700953 wrote: XX is your creation- the person who says nutty things SO you can feel justified to have an rant and outburst about a particularly clan. Its pretty pathetic GD so everyone ignores this little show of my clan is better than urs. : What ever tickles your fancy love. Lets revisit the title of the thread shall we. “All Somali's should support the TFG in its war against Godane's Al Shabaab” Not sure what you don’t comprehend or undertsand as for XX being my creation, well that’s alright, I will also take credit for NGOONGE and his “Clan is everything” slogans as mine. Everyone can see what got you angry and your remarks and contributions to this thread are proof of this. When ever the secessionist myth [not clan] is confronted you rush here and spew madness. Now what can you do that all your fellow secessionist could not? Nothing. Let me summaries what I stated to XX, JB and to other secessionists. The claim that NW Somalia is somehow unique and not involved in the Somali debacle is false and outdated. In the past 20 years the SNM militia, warlords Egaal, Tuur, Riiyaale and now Siilanyu have participated in the war and are still participating today. Just look at whats happening right now in CAYN. We also have Godane and Afgghani as two top leaders of Al Shabaab and they happen to be from NW Somalia. Thus like other regions of the Republic, Puntland, South Central and the South, Somaliland has and still is part of the problem. Now tell me what you don’t understand I am always here ready to help a sister?

I like it how some secessionists rush in here to defend the clan. All GD stated was that NW Somalia and its secessionist do not exist in a vacuum when it comes to Somalia. That in fact they have played a key role and continue to in the Somali civil war. The mayhem is all ours in the making. XX, JB, and the girl all claims that Somaliland is different and unique, which is all clap trap.

^^^Has been all nice and rosy these past 20 years? Come on lad.

XX: You are barking up the wrong tree again. You will not be able rewrite a history that we all know. The record of the leaders you deify for clan reasons speaks volumes. The whole Somaliland project is a money making scheme that makes monkeys of those who cheer for it. Now Godane and Ibrahim Afghani are the new example of the hypocrisy of the secessionist claims. You are still part of Somalia and in fact are playing a key role in its current predicament. Which makes all of us poorer, weaker and more ignorant.

One must add the greatest metamorphosis in Somali history was achieved by the late Egaal who went from a Somali national leader and unifier to a sub clan warlord. Then Abdirahman Tuur tried the opposite from the SNM warlord to secessionist founding father to a lackey of Aydeed and a unionist all within a few years.

Xaaji Xunjuf;700791 wrote: Maybe because Djibouti and Ethiopia don't have democratic elections ,these are dictatorial authorities. But the infamous 4.5 clan formula allows Somalia to have paper TFG Your clan has more than 70Mp's in the TFG parliment and the Foreign Minister of the Cabinet.

XX: You are getting angry for no reason son. In the last twenty years the SNM militia fought clans in Borama, SOOL & SANAAG. Warlord Egaal fought Warlord Tuur killing thousands and destroying whole towns and villages. The secessionist have been at war with locals of SOOL for over a decade now, with major clashes taking place in Cayn these past few months . Now blood thirsty warlord Siilanyu is hell bent at killing Somali's from SOOL.The secessionist have also involved themselves in the Galgala debacle in which their operatives were routed. Godane & Afghani are the two top leaders of Al Shabaab and both are from NW Somalia and have been fighting in Somalia’s southern regions for the past 6 years. The TFG also has top ministers, MP’s and military personnel from NW Somalia, led by Mohamed Abdullahi Omaar. Thus why are you pretending to be anything but a failed Somali from Somalia? Oh I forgot the Queen is your Mother and you are her Orphans.

Somalina;700783 wrote: GD, like JB says waa "mashruuc"... warlord Tuur fled as his clan lost to Warlord Egaals who got rich, like any other warlord he was wearing a gold Rolex while his people starved. Mugger Riyaale, was all bling bling, and JB can testify to that. Now we have Warlord Siilanyu a British Citizen killing and maiming civilians in Cayn region in order to get rich. Not to mention Fake Jihadi Godane & Afghani getting rich in the South, while Omaar is the Foreign Minister of Somalia. Yet these people are “different”, they are “superior” and a bit more British than the rest of the Konfuuriyaans. Lol.

^^^lol. Aint that the truth

Xaaji Xunjuf;700777 wrote: how's Somalilands First leader and Somaliland second president who were political rivals Somalia's problem or how did it effect you koonfurians it did not effect you in any way , it's just you can't fix your home and your capital and your looking for excuses Dude how are we responsible for the likes of omaar his buddy is locked up in maandheera TFG officials get arrested if they set foot on our soil. There is no conspiracy against your country Buufiska iska saar adeer XX: Is now getting memory loss in his old age. Adeer the secessionist [Father of Somaliland] Tuur, after his defeat went back on the whole “Somaliland” thing and joined General Aydeed in Mogadishu. Egaal himself was once the PM of Somalia and then went to become a secessionist chief. The whole “Somaliland” thing is a money making scheme, no one really believes in it. Look at how rich Riyaale got at playing the game? Now kindly stop talking in tongues. You can not argue that NW Somalia is not involved in Somalia’s mess and it’s a separate entity when you have Godane & Afghani fighting Mohamed Abullahi Omaar in Mogadishu. You can not have your cake and eat it at the same time son. The secessionist maybe able to fool themselves holding commemorations for world rubbish day and singing false songs. The NW is still part of Somalia even in terms of clan mongering, Faisal Warrabe could easily be mistaken for Qaynyare, and Siilanyu for Musa Sudi Yalaxow. Bunch of Somali’s , its just these ones think that te British colonial experience made them closer to the Anglo Saxons.

Xaaji Xunjuf;700763 wrote: Duke Somaliland is not part of the mess Somalia is in today and they were never part of that Maxamamd xaji ibrahim cigaal aun and Muj Abduraxmaan tuur aun had their differences but in 1996 XX: You just contradicted yourself. Egaal & Tuur were two Somali warlords who fought it out along clan lines in NW Somalia. In their major battles they ended up destroying the city of Burco. After his clan was defeated Tuur [Father of Somaliland] fled to the South, changed his mind about secession and ended up working for General Aydeed in Mogadishu. Omar Arteh Ghalib was, a devious opportunist who took part in the Somali civil war. Then you have General Mohamd Ghalib, Osman Kaluun, Sifir and now Mohamed Abdullahi Omaar. All men from the NW and all players in every Somali reconciliation conference and Transitional entities. In fact the Somali TFG parliament has more than 70Mp’s from XX’s clan. To say that the NW of our country is not involved in the debacle and war in Somalia is to speak falsehood to all that is good. Al Shabaab by far one of the most vicious and most criminal of Somali militia is led by a Mr Godane, and his kinsmen Mr Ibrahim Afghani. They are key players in the current war and are along with at least a thousand militiamen from Hargaysa-Burco-Berbrea triangle.

What’s truly sad is the breathtaking ignorance and arrogance of these secessionists. To think that they truly believe in their own lies, they forget the war between Egaal & Tuur in this period that was as devastating as any that took place in the whole of Somalia. They also forget the role Omar Arteh played in the Aydeed vs Ali Mahdi clan clashes. Now we have an armed militia led by Godane & Afghani and with many young and deluded Northern fighters dying in the battlefields of the South. Lets alos not forget the battles in Cayn involving clans from Hargaysa-Burco against those from LA-Buhudle. No my brothers for 20 years you have been part of the overall failure of Somalia and in fact contributed to it greatly.

^^^You are spot on. But is it not time that we worked with whats there and used our energy to reform it? The Al Shabaab group are no alternative to governance.

^^lol.. Nice one

Its been 20 years overdue..

Its time we set aside our differences in the face of a common enemy. Al Shabaab have failed in compromising and like the ****** before them exhibited a near vampire thirst for blood. Somali blood that is. They have brought security but turned Somalia into the safe house for terrorists everywhere. There demise is both eminent and a good thing. However there needs to be a clear plan from Farmaajo and his cabinet in the aftermath of their defeat. There should be no return and reward for the Warlords of old. A strong military presence in the major cities of the south and the training of a new generation of security personal. Sharif/Farmaajo have made a bold move thus far and they should be commended for it.

Pat Buchanan: A Middle East without America? February 18, 2011 9:49 PM Patrick J. Buchanan, syndicated columnist The fever sweeping the Middle East is now coursing through Libya, Yemen, Iran and Bahrain, where the U.S. Fifth Fleet is based. In all four nations, state violence is being used to crush the rebels, and regime survival hangs on whether security forces and the army stand behind the government or stand aside. A new Middle East is dawning. What will it look like? Perhaps the nation to study is Turkey, which has already gone through a democratic and dramatic transformation. In 2000, Turkey was a reliable U.S. ally, a friend to Israel, an aspiring candidate for membership in the EU. Since then, Turkey has set a different course, welcomed by her people, that has measurably enhanced her prestige. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's regime is far more Islamic than any Turkish government since the caliphate. 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A sure sign is the bristling hostility to Israel, with which Turkey has had close political and military ties. At Davos in 2009, in a debate with Shimon Peres about the Gaza war, Erdogan shouted at Israel's president, “You know well how to kill,” stormed out and flew home to a hero's welcome. Eight of the nine dissidents shot by Israeli commandos in the Gaza Freedom Flotilla trying to run the blockade were Turks. Erdogan's backing of the flotilla and condemnation of Israel for a “bloody massacre” made him and Turkey more admired in Gaza than are Iran and Ahmadinejad. 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As the British elbowed aside the Ottoman Turks and the Americans shouldered aside the British after Suez, now it is America that appears to be the receding power in the Middle East and Turkey the rising power. Indeed, the American hour seems to be rapidly approaching its end. In weeks, President Ben Ali, our man in Tunis, was overthrown. Mubarak, our man in Egypt for 30 years, was overthrown. Hezbollah became the real power in the Lebanese government. The king of Jordan dismissed his prime minister and cabinet. For the first time, voices are speaking against the royal family, especially the king's wife. The Palestinian Authority has been discredited by Wikileaks documents revealing the concessions it was prepared to make for a tiny rump state on the West Bank. Benjamin Netanyahu forced President Obama to back down completely from his demands that Israel halt new construction in East Jerusalem and all expansion of settlements on the West Bank. The Middle East peace process is dead. 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His death is no major issue, many of his team are running for cover and losing ground. Thats the major point here. The South should be given peace insha Allah..

^^^Sounds like a good name brand. lol. our secessionists could always trade it in NW Somalia..

Xaaji Xunjuf;700673 wrote: Sh shariif in tuute ^^^Better than Godane in a Niqaab..

Any news from Ceel-Buur anyone?

^^^Lets not get carried away, they still have not captured, Mogadishu, Baidoa, Kismayu, Beledweyne and so on..

The first time in years he is having an impact...

Gheelle.T;700640 wrote: Aqoonsigii Axmed Diriyana ma laga deyay? Desperation iga dheh K'naan & Maryan Mursal failed now Ahmed Diiriye? The secessionists are trying their best..