So there was an articlein an Arab newspaper, I thought Allpuntland.com made it, damn shame. Oh the meeting is still on my dear friend

I was sadened today by the news that Sadam was captured because its another humiliation for the Arab world. Its all good Americans portrying this as some christmas present but deep down its sad to see how they are trying to humuliate him, not because he is a tyrant they dont give a ...... but becaus he stood up to them and did not play by the part they wrotte for him. Angel, you cant be serious you seem took the bait about the "Iraqi people" LOL. I also beleieve the strauggle for Iraqi freedom has just begun, when the evil doesr, Bush Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz with Ahmed Chalabi then they will be free. Long live the people of Iraq

Bashi, thanks for the post its a fair analysis of the place. But do not confuse Somaliland/Puntland dispute with that of Galkacyu, Galkacyu North and south are part of the Somali state and the clans who inhabit the region of Mudug have reached a compromise which so far is a success and the power that the Mogadishu warlords have on the people of South Mudug has long disapeared. The Riyaale government does not control the parts where the clans are even sympahetic to Hargaysa. Both Somaliland and Puntland can ill afford a war but I beleive that the people in question do not want Somaliland if they did it would take more than naming new states to keep them happy. The idea of the sacred British Somaliland is repugnant to many of the regions inhabitants for history shows that these people are the sons and daughters of the Dervish rebel movement that fought the British. It is about clan plitics because Hargaysa's government, its tactics and its harking to history favours only one clan.

Dusty Hon, I believe in one Somalia if Somalia is divisable then Somaliland is Mudug is Gedo is you get my drift. I support Abdullahi Yusuf because he is the leader of Puntland, the same reason you support Dahir Riyale Kahin you get my drift. On the point of Reality, did you know that the people of Las Ano celebrated the Riyale Ran away day on the 7 of december, yet Riyale and yourself still claim Las Ano to be part of this Somalialnd thing why? and who is in cloud cucko land? Lets make it simple Somaliland is where you are from the people of Cayn Sool and Haylan and Mudug and Hiiraan and Mogadishu are from Somalia. Is that simple enough my dear?

I hope the people of Somaliland do not start any agression, it was shown a year ago what the people of Cayn Sool and Haylan think about Dahir Kahin and the secessionist movement. Lets keep it clean people no insults.

Sooyal did Abdullahi yusuf creat the states or is the people of the regions who opted for them? Another thing Somaliland made the same noise when Cayn state was created, so what is the difference now?

Gediid, I never head of him but that information was on the article, he is suppose to be a young politician. who is going to have meetings with Silanyo and Ina Warrabe in London. Apart from the article I never heard of him bro.

LOL, Brother Shiekh remarkable is the way you jump from one place to another, LOL. I have never laughed so much, the point of contention was the propoganda of Allpuntland,com as Gediid suggested and the article posted above was from an interview with an upcoming Somaliland politician who basically said what the SHASNA article and Allpuntland reported. An alliance of your President Mr I ran Riyale (joke) and Abdi (I ran out of time) QASIN with Djabouti as playing the host. The other point was that your finance minister allegedly (as we dont know yet) stated that the Somalailand authorites where planning to hold a meeting in Borama in whcih they would support whats good for Somalia, what does that mean? On the point about the meeting, who gave up hope on it? Abdiqasin, Riyaale, Musa Sudi and a couple of other has beens. Who has joined in, Uganda, head of IGAD, Mozambeque Head of the AU and other groups are now endorsing it. So my brother the Niorobi conference is still on and we Somali's are hoping insha Allah for a brighter day.

Allpuntlands propoganda must run real deep. LOL Cismaan Abokor oo ka Digay Khataro waaweyn oo ku soo fool leh Somaliland Somaliweyn(Somaliland Future,Dec8,2003) Cismaan Abokor Shabakadda Inernetka ee Somaliland Future ayaa waxa u suurta galay in waraysi kooban ay la yeelato Cismaan Abokor oo ka mid ah dhalinyarada Siyaasiyiinta ah ee reer Somaliland. Waraysigaas oo aad u dheeraa taabanayeyna dhinacyo badan waxa aanu idiinka diyaarinnay war bixintan: Ugu horrayn Cismaan Abokor waxa aannu weydiinnay aragtidiisa ku wajahan xaaladda guud ee maanta dalku marayo. Cismaan oo ta ka jawaabayayna wuxu ka muujiyey dareen walaac leh, isagoo tilmaamay in Somaliland ay hadhaysay abaar cimilo iyo abaar siyaasadeed, iyadoo tii cimilada haatan laga doogsaday ayaad mooddaa buu yidhi in abaartii siyaasaddu weli taagan tahay oo weliba ay sii kordhayso maalinba maalinta ka dambaysa. Waxa kale oo aannu Cismaan Abokor weydiinnay sida uu u arko hawl gudashada xukuummadda Daahir Riyaale. Isagoo taa ka jawaabanaya wuxu yidhi “Qarankeennii aynu dhalintiisa dhibta badan u soo marnay, ee aynu maanta sugaynay dheeftiisu, wuxu saaran yahay buudigii madhnaa ee beri samaadkii la’ saaray socotadii reer Wardheer ee lagu yidhi gaadhigu caawa ayuu Wal-waal iyo Wardheer ku hoyanayaa, kolkaas buudigaas ka guurka ah haddaynu xukuumad ku sheegno oo ka sugno haybaddii iyo hawl-gudashadii xukuumadi lahaan jirtay waxay ila tahay in aynu qiranno in aynu nahay ummad ayaan daran”. Mudane Cismaan Abokor oo ka jawaabayey su’aal ku saabsanayd bal dareenka uu ka qabo shucuurta nabad gelyo darro ee la soo deristay Somaliland, wuxu ku xoog xoogsaday in Daahir Riyaale iyo inta ag-joogtaa abuurayaan xaaladda nabad gelyo darro, waxaanu isagoo taas tilmaamaya yidhi “Caqliqa caafimaadka qabaa ma liqi karo ONLF baa hawlgallo ka fulisa Somaliland, Diblomaasiyadda Siyaasadda, dhaqanka Soomaalida iyo diinka Islaamkaba waa ku ceeb in dhiigga socotada iyo maganta laga dayo saaxiibtinimo cid kale. Itoobiyana si’ sidaa ka suubban oo ka sharaf badan ayaynu xidhiidhkeeda ku hagaajin karraa”. Cismaan Abokor wuxu kale oo waraysigiisaas dhiirigelin ugu soo jeediyey mucaaradka oo uu sheegay in aanay ka faa’iidaysan shacabka 90% ka soo horjeeda xukuumaddan Daahir Riyaale. Taas oo haddii aanay ka faa’iidaysan dadweynaha reer Somaliland geyeysiin doonta xaalad ah “Habeenyahow dheeri maad iga dhammaatid, Dharaartuna iima kaa dhaantee”. Waxaanu Cismaan ka sanqadhiyey in arintaas uu si weyn ugu dhiirigelin doono maalmaha soo socda labada Hoggaamiye mucaarad ee Somaliland Mudane Axmed Siilaanyo iyo Mudane Faysal Cali Waraabe oo waqtigan labaduba ku sugan magaalda London. Ugu dambayn waraysigan oo dheeraa, Cismaan Abokor wuxu kaga san-qadhiyey khataro waaweyn oo kusoo fool leh Somaliland, kuwaas oo haddii aan waqti hore laga sii gaashaaman gabbal baas u ridi doona Somaliland. khatarahaas oo aannu Cismaan wax ka weydiinnay waxa uu ka xusay, Isbahaysiga sii xoogaysanaya ee Saddex geesoodka Ismaaciil Cumar Geelle, Daahir Riyaale iyo C/Qaasim Salaad Xassan , wuxu kale oo ka xusay gaabiska iyo gabno-nimada xukuumadda Riyaale oo looga jeedo buu yidhi sidii shacabka looga dili lahaa kalsoonida dalkooda, waxa kale oo kamid ah u diyaar garowga soo guryo noqoshada Cismaan Jaamac (Kalluun) oo ololeheeda xukuumaddu si weyn uga waddo Magaalada Burco. Iyo ugu dambayn buu yidhi hindisaha ah in Shir Somali-weyn mustaqbalka lagu qabto magaalada Boorame . IxsaanCumar " ixsan7@yahoo.com

Gediid, My dear fellow it may well be propoganda. However there where meetings held in Djabouti between Arta-Djabouti-Somaliland so maybe there is some truth, only time will tell. I do find Somaliland, Djabouti entering Somali politics a posative development maybe this will lead to a change of the status quo.

Liqiya, Jalle I think there is some truth to this story, because the Somalilandfinance minister has declared there is a proposal for a peace meeting in Borama and that they may well support the unity of Somalia. Posative to all I dear say.

I beleive its a posative move the size of the states such as Bari were quite large and thus probably from an adminstrative stance needed to be reduced. Well done to Puntland and Allhamdulilah for the rains in Las Canood

King 450, thanks for your frank remarks, these poor people are Haynas? or the whole southern Somali's are Hayenas? please answer this point for me. Such logic, who's well being are you enhancing? Or are you currupting the moral dignity of a people? Look dear friend its not good to call your own people such words or are your own people those from your clan? Your views are your own, but where are the people who have claimed the moral highground? How can those who suffered against Siyad be so easily led to cause such suffereing and then flaunt their actions? Or is the case of the victim becoming the victamiser?

To all It seems that we all agree that the actions of Somaliland government regarding the Somali refugees are wrong. Poor destitute people should not be used as an excuse for the failure of security ( the killings of the foreigners). It was an easy remedy; however I doubt that this will create any lasting security solutions. My Somaliland brothers are hiding their disgust well by as usual comparing this situation to that of their collective pre war experience. I for one do not see the point of this constant remaindering of the Siyad era and what this has got to do with these poor people who came to Somaliland for survival. It shows how ignorant we have become that most of us who are or have been refugees in these western countries which we reside, how many times have we felt little, weak unwanted and insignificant alians in these cold countries? We have remedied this by acknowledging the fact that these (westerners) are people who have welcomed us even though we share no culture and religion and we should put up with the bad actions because we have no choice its not our land. Image being cold and insignificant in a place where people share your religion, culture and ethnicity , now how do you remedy that? If people should be deported because of the actions of Siyad we should start with Coloner Riyale, Faisal Cali Warrabe and the rest of the former regime cronies . Siyad’s old government like that of Riyaale's present has used the people as a tool to keep power, creating animosity suspicion and hatred between brothers. Siyad did this and failed and no doubt Riyaale will fail as has proven you can not divide brothers. Farax , many thanks for the kind words Djabouti’s actions is also scandalous and no one condones it, the idea that there is a sinister targeting of Somaliland is wrong; Somaliland and Djibouti are both wrong with these ridiculous policies. No innocent Somali or for that matter human being should be treated in this way, it goes against everything we as Muslims believe in. I know that you all agree with this, even though at times you (Somalilanders) suffer from a siege mentality. Lander brought some interesting security issues, such as border controls and ways of implementing this by the Somaliland authorities, however as with everything the reality is overlooked, Somaliland is in no state to control borders, it has been evident that this administration has very little control outside the major cities. No insults people lets get to the point where do you stand on this issue, I for one am against these tyrants ( Riyaale & Ghele) deporting refugees.

People, Eid Mubarak first of all to all the Muslim Ummah. Second the actions of the Somaliland government is disgraceful, but we need not bring more dividions by insulting our Somali brothers from that region who as we all know did not partake in this action. Somalia is a divided country where the people are pawns, but lets not keep on attacking each other for the callous actions of a few. Keep reporting we need news, criticise but please try to be objective. Again Eid Mubarak

News from London, the city came to a stand still yesterday more than 100,000 protesters. With a mock statu of Bush being torn down, like the scene from Sadam's statute In Baghdada after it was occupied. Well I dont know about you but it sure has not been a great visit for the thief in chief.

Good debate, strated off well, some good information from MMA, good exchanges between Gediid and few others who seem to be well informed, but then comes along Angel Dear Dust, who informs us that the SNM was the most important movement in Africa on a par with the ANC. lets just say that was brilliant. My own opinion is that the SYL where legends who strived for a united Somalia and who accomplished great things, howver what is needed today is another group like the SYL to liberate us from our own demons. So long folks And have a good EID

Samir iyo Iimaan BRO, My allah bring us peace and may he forgive those who have died in this our holly month

Well said Modesty, well said. We dont work together but apart, we divide rather than unite.

Angel dear, You pictureme to be a modern day Machivelli howver I am siceer in this, while its fun to debate and exchange ideas the way we do its getting no better for our people. No its not an assignment or work related issue but one of necessety to all of us. Where are we going? and what prevents us from achieving our goals. I know that you are a defender of Soamliland but I think its better for you to defend the children who are lost in this land. PS. Forward us any facts or figures my dear. And how can you "Angel Dust" help, more suggestions and less paranoi. The person from LA, well done we need organisations from LONDON, TO LA that are sincere in the endevour to help our people.

PPL, many thanks for the response from my post, I know some people would think I was high on something when I wrotte it LOL. I am not talking about our people back home, its easy to talk about the problems, the war the factions the clans and defend our clan and attack others. But what about the folks in the diaspora, the refugees exiles. I live in London England and the situation of our people is truly pathetic it gets worse with every passing second. So lets not confuse this with the Somali's in the motherland we in the west need help to break this division. All we need to do is look at other ethnic minorities and the mechanism that they have built over the years to develop and defend their respective communities. We need to establish dialogue between our intellectuals, activists and those who are more fortunate than most. I suggest lets creat a network an information network for Somali's who live in the west. Lets start with collecting media reports about the Somali people, data statistics, we dont even know our population figures, if we dont know how many of us there are how can we seek to help? Lets start with that a netwrok of information on the NET available to all. thats my first suggestion. Th

Nomads, Mali's (UK slang) Somali's, Dear brothers and sisters, dear comrades in this struggle of survival. I Mr Smith will apologise for any trouble caused in this and any forum to any member of my race. As we all know we live in hard times, times of deep anguish and confusion. We live in a tougher world where our people are the lowest of the low. We have no national home, except for Djabouti, Somali's are scatered across the world destitute and poor, confused and in need of desperate help. My dear Nomads I mean not to patronise you as I know that most of you are not blind thus aware of our sitution. I call on all of us to find ways of helping our people, not just those at home but the fragmented masses abroad. Lets share posative information that builds bridges between our communities and discuss political ways of connecting people together, thats all folks. Mnay thanks Smith

PPL chill whats up with people, come on you cant be serious, its Ramadan and lets keep to the peace ok. Our small differences are not going to last forver but our shared heritage will. So lets be posative and I agree with Gediid lets find more of us who can trancend this clan nonsence. From my side I will not writte any negative articles or comments about Somaliland, TNG or any other party who I dont much like. I wil only post news relevent to us Somali's in this forum. We need to look around us and see that we are a people in decline, we are desperate and our children are looking forward to a bleaker reality to the one we have lived so far. Lets stop this once and for all, peace in PUNTLAND, SOMALILAND SOUTH SOMALIA, REGION 5, DJABOUTI, NFD and to all in the diaspora AMEN.

Even though I am not American, I would like to see Dean win, but he might lose to Clark for the Democratic ticket to face Bush. But I think Bush will win because he has generated the most funds for his campaign.

Even though I am not American, I would like to see Dean win, but he might lose to Clark for the Democratic ticket to face Bush. But