^^^Red Sea, the brother made some good points the TFG welcomed the change in Mogadishu but was not willing to be hijacked by anyone least of all a Clan Court, the TFG reprsents all Somali's armed and unarmed and the execuses you are making will not wash. This change when it happens Insha Allah is a landmrk, because for two years it was the US, that was resisting the removal of the embargo. Now the Clan Courts came to power with the guns, now they face a new stark choice, disarm or fight, but now with bigger guns against you.

kASHAFA, The idea that Xasan Dahir will be taken seriously while occupiying helpless unarmed clans is a bit ludicrous. He needs to get his clan millitia out, shutt down all their illegal business intersts and return all their ill goten gains. Just to start with.

MUQDISHO: Sheekh Shariif Sheekh Axmed:"Ethiopia waxana diyaar ula nahay Dagaal iyo heshiis tii ay doonayso" Posted to the Web Nov 23, 19:15 Muqdisho (PP) - Guddoomiyaha Golaha fulinta ee Maxkamadaha Sheekh Shariif Sheekh Axmed oo galabta ka hadlay hadalka uu jeediyay Ra'iisul wasaaraha Ethopia ayuu ku sheegay inay Maxkamaduhu diyaar ula yihiin Ethipoia wixii ay doonayso dagaal iyo Nabad. "Waxaan diyaar la nahay Ethiopia Nabad iyo Colaad tii ay doonayso, waxaana caddeynayaan anigoo ah guddoomiyaha Maxkamadaha inaan haysanno wax walba oo tashiilaad ah oo loo baahan yahay haddii dagaal ay nagu soo qaaddo Ethiopia" ayuu yiri Guddoomiyaha Maxkamadha Sheekh Shariif Sheekh Axmed. Hadalkaan uu jeediyay Sheekh Shariif ayaa ka dambeeyay kaddib markii Miles Zenawi uu baarlamaankiisa ka hor-sheegay maanta inay dagaal la galayaan Maxakamdaha oo ku dhawaaqay inay ku jahaadayaan Dowladda Ethiopia. Zenawi ayaa u sheegay Xubnaha Baarlamaanka dalkiisa inay Maxkamaduhu yihiin khatar weyn oo ku soo fool leh dalkiisa ayna tahay inay difaacaan dalkiisa, taasina ay tahay arrin qaran oo cid diidi karta aanay jirin. Sheekh Shariif ayaa hadalkiisa uu maanta jeediyay ee ku aaddan dagaal lala galo Ethiopia wuxuu u muuqday mid aan sidaa u sii xoog badnayn, waxaana hadalkaan uu u ekaa mid ay ku jirto naxariis iyo nabad jeceylnimo aan looga baran Maxkamadaha. Maxamed Xuseen Jantiile Wakiilka Puntlandpost - Mogadishu E-mail: puntlandpostmog@hotmail.com

^^^No need to act all big on cyber space son. The Adis regime declared war on the Clan Courts after they ,ade their famous Clan Jihad decleration. The taste is in the pudding.

I failed to see how you compare between Indhacade and "other" ICU officials and the mafia adminstration of Cade under which even weddings should be reported to the state. Is this a comment froma sane mind? How funny, deluded and ignorant can be made. To compare the alleged drug baron, warlord of warlords and occupier of Lower Shabbele to President Cade Muse an elected leader of 1/3 of Somalia is amazing. Xasan Dahir, IndaCade and their occupation of other peoples land should never be compared to the admin of any town in Somalia least of all Puntland state...

^^^Saxib you heard from Xasan Turki, you heard from Cagawayene of Al-Furqan court, so dont deny, Abti. Also the TFG arms now are local, the RRA's and Puntland with few shipments coming from Yemen, Ethiopia, Kenya and Uganda. This is the right of a governemnt but not any faction. Remembr even the Clan Courts with their ********* recognise the TFG sometimes, they even welcomed the Speaker as the Parliment speaker and thus recognise his position. Now with the arms embargo lifted Insha Allah the TFG will get arms from world powers, China & US being at the fore front. This is why the TFG has been quite, waiting.... The Jihad decleration against Ethiopia, seemed fun at the time right? Wearing the millitary uniform seemed rather brave for Sahrif Ahmed right?

^^^Dont worry about them dear brother, they are making noises thats all. Thanks for the info, and keep it coming.

^^^Red Sea why are you confusing yourself, was it not the clan courts out of sheer ignorance who declared war on everybody who was an obsticle to taking over power. Jihad on Baidoa, Puntland, Jihad on Ethiopia, "bring it on" and so on. The government was weak because it was not allowed to arm itself and thus take the security in their won hands. This has changed now. Thanks to the Clan Courts.

^^^There was no violence in kismayu? So what was the Buaale clashes? The Farataag incident, Xasan Turki incident? What were the demonstrations arrests [Hiiraale's wife] and even killing inside the city? Come on Red Sea the clan from Gedo lost kismayu but they are still in a war footing in Bardheere.

Maleeshiyaad Hubeysan Oo Qabsaday Saldhiga Degmada Cabudwaaq, oo ay Maalin ka Hor Golaha Maxkamadaha la wareegeen. Posted to the Web Nov 23, 02:36 CABUDWAAQ-Wararka inagasoo gaaraya Degmada Cabudwaaq ee Gobalka Galguduud, ayaa sheegaya in maleeshiyo beeleedyo si aad ah u hubeysan ay qabsadeen Saldhiga Degmada Cabudwaaq, oo ay maalin ak hor ciidamo taabacsan Maxaakimta Islaamiga ay gacanta ku dhigeen. Mid ka mid ah dadka deegaanka oo magaciisa ka gaabsaday ayaa ii xaqiijiyey in ay habeenimadii xalay aheyd ay ku baryeen cabsi xooggan, iyagoo ka baqanaya in ay dagaal fooda is daraan maleeshiyo beeleedka qabsaday saldhigga degmada iyo kuwa taabacsan Maxkamadaha islaamiga. Maleeshiyaadka qabsaday saldhiga oo si aad ah u hubeysan ayaa waxaa hogaaminaya qaar ka tirsan Saraakiishii ciidamada ee Degmada horey u joogi jiray, iyagoona sida ay wararka inagu soo gaarayaan ay sheegeen maleeshiyaadkaasi in ay ka bixi doonin marnaba saldhiga, oo ay doonayaan in ay duulaan kaga saaraan degmada Maleeshiyaadka tirade yer ee Maxkamadaha ka tirsan ee soo galay maalinimadii doraad aheyd. Docda kale afhayeen u hadlay Maleeshiyaadka Maxaakimta ee la wareegay Cabudwaaq, ayaa sheegay in ay wal walwal ah ku haynin maleeshiyaadka saldhiga la wareegay, islamarkaana uu haatan u socdo wadahadal la doonayo in is faham lagu dhex dhigo labada dhinac. C/risaaq C/laahi Maxamed Puntlandonline.com Muqdisho Indhojaceel2003@hotmail.com

^^^How is this simmilar to Kismayu? Or has Red Sea lost the plot already? The issue here is between the kin of the city and this is not even Gedo, this is Galgaduud.

Mareykanka oo shaaca ka qaaday inuu taageerayo qorshaha ciidamada loogu dirayo dalka Soomaaliya. Washington:- Tom Keysi oo ah afhayeen u hadlay wasaarada arrimaha dibada dalka Mareykanka ayaa waxa uu shaaca ka qaaday in dalkiisa uu taageero ballaaran u hayo ciidamada nabad ilaalinta ee urur goboleedka IGAD uu geynayo dalka Soomaaliya isagoo sheegay in golaha amaanka ee Qm dhawaan uu ka doodayo qorshaha ciidamadaasi dalkiisa uu ka mid noqon doono dalalka qalinka ku duuga qorshahaasi. Afhayeenkan oo saxaafada hadal siinayey ayaa tilmaamay in haatan baahi weyn oo loo qabo ciidamadaasi ay ka jiro dalka Soomaaliya waxaana uu sheegay in hadafka ciidanka uu yahay sidii loo soo celin lahaa amniga dalka isla markaana gacan loo siin lahaa dawlada federaalka. " Urur goboleedka IGAD oo gacan ka helaya ururka midowga Africa dhawaan waxa uu golaha amaanka soo hordhigay qorshe ku aadan ciidamada loo dirayo dalka Soomaaliya ,dhawaanna waxaan filaynaa in golaha amaanka uu ka doodi doono qorshahaasi anaga si weyn ayaan u taageeraynaa " ayuu yiri Tom Keysi oo intaasi ku daray " Waxaa waajib ah in ciidamadaasi in noqdaan kuwa awood leh oo gacan ka geysan kara soo celinta amniga dalka". Hadalka kasoo yeeray dawlada Mareykanka ayaa u muuqanaya mid gacan loogu fidinayo dawlada Soomaaliya ,ayadoo Mareykankana uu bilaabay in uu daneeyo arrimaha Soomaaliya tan iyo markii maxkamadaha islaamka ay ku guuleysteen in ay la wareegeen gobolo fara badan oo dalka Soomaaliya ka tirsan. Jibrin Nuur Waayaha.netMuqdisho-Somalia.

^^^The same can be said about the Clan Courts using the sacred faith to enhance narrow clan and business interests.. Shame really..

The Clan Courts have isolated themselves. They wanted the Americans and even Ethiopians on their side, they have said it many times their Clan Jihad results from the fact that they hate Ethiopia supportng the TFG, its not about Erthioia being Kaffir, since Aferwarki is a Kaffir friend of theirs. Now the US who was against the lifting of the arms embargo due to their belief that the warlords of Mogadishu would deliver security. Have now turned 360 degrees to support the national stabalisation plane put together by the goverment of Somalia. A posative step forward.

^^The Cabud-Waaq incident is a stunt that has been planned in Mogaishu any deaths that occurs is the fault of the Clan Courts.. The city was peaceful and the people united before all this.

^^^Red Sea, so far the only one who addressed the issue. However your attack on the TFG is based on the common Ethiopia allegation and that has been addressed. It is not just Ethiopia supporting the goevrnment but Uganda, Yemen and Kenya, do they all want to invade the nation? As for the ICU being what it is, is it anything more than a Clan reacting to the political defeat in Nairobi? The idea that theirs is an Islamic movement is laughable since they occupy looted properties and clan lands and have used murder as a tool to progress their agenda. An alliance of one ot two clans can not bee seen as a national religious movement specailly one headed by Xasan Dahir and IndaCade.. You welcome.

^^^Red Sea nicely out. But what about the apology for his and his groups actions against the lower Shabbele. Or as Camir put it they will get it when they free themselves of the occupation?

They are religious they have a Shura, and wear religious dress Indeed the clan courts have rebranded themselves as religious gone are the suits and western names and in comes the Islamic hats and garb. Also note how the PhD, and officer titles have been replaced with Shiekh, Imam, Macalin and of course the father of someone, Abu Qutabe, Abu Mansoor, and I even heard Abu Maryam a few times. Does this highlight the movement is more religious? The Shura a religious body headed by Xasan Dahir Aways, as if Xasan Dahir is a later day Ayatollah Khomeini, who was the top leader of Iran at the time. Is Xasan Dahir even the top religious leader of Mogadishu let alone Somalia? Also what does one say about the religious authority of this Shura, built in secrecy and which has warlords Cirfo and IndaCade as members? The fact tha Abukar Cadaan controls the national port and even Kismayu’s port highlights that business and self enrichment were central to the rise of the courts. How religious is it to take money from the national institutions?

I wonder when he will apologise to the people of lower Shabbele for his action and pay their reperation money? Somaliland he might have been a small player, but here he is the chief, the head of the occupation. The blame lies at his door.

^^^A refugee in Somalia, typo, my bad.. Other than that, would you like to make some points dear Che, or are we still living in denail and in the defence of the clan courts?

^^^A good point, insha Allah no conflict will arise from this.

^^^You have a right to say what ever you want. However Iam disapointed you had no more qustions regarding the topic, other than the same lame accusations of warlords and so on, forgetting that if Yusuf is a warlords then so were the late Tuur and Egaal and so is Riyaale..

^^^Red Sea the clan courts and Puntland will not have the same interst untill the courts stop all the badil activities in their regions, including the occupation of the lower Shabbele and return the occupied properties of Mogadishu, then we will bond as never before. PS: Mogadishu has no Shariah law in place other than Cimamad wearing millitia. So charity and law starts at home. Nayruus, you have lost the argument saxib, long ago when you discarded principle for the clan courts carrots to your clan. I support Shariah law, but not the Rambo style nonsence of Xasan Turki and Xasan Dahir, thats just a joke.. Cayrays can say whatever he wants, he is a soldier and out of place to criticise the President.. Allamagan, the argument for attacking and destabalising Puntland is finished. If they come with all their guns they wont be able to shake Puntland, because the people have what they demanded a move towards Shariah law. Not to be ruleb by Xasan Dahir and his fake Shura, full of IndacDae, Cirfo and the like.

The Case against the Clan Courts The Islamic Courts Union of Somalia or ICU as they have titled themselves are according to Pro Abdi Shiekh Samatar “ Neither Islamic nor courts nor a union, but a combination of ethnic, clans wrapping themselves in Islamic flag” Thus the author’s title of Clan Courts is appropriate, while I agree that one must respect the title individuals or groups give themselves the word “Islamic” is far too sacred and important to be used in the dirty world of Somali clan politics. Who are these Clan Courts? The Clan Courts are primarily the well armed clans that made up the now defunct USC movement. Some analyst observe that the rise to power of these courts was a reaction by the USC to the election victory of President Yusuf and thus this support from the media, and groups aligned to the USC is based on clan interest and not religion. The faith is mean to give the movement the necessary cover it needs to gain funds and support inside and outside the country. The militia leaders of the courts are mostly the same as those that used to lead the forces of the now ousted warlords of the USC. The difference is that the Clan Courts are more organized and have centralized authority. The most powerful courts are the following: 1. IFKA-XALIN, representing the Guriceel clan interest including the lower Shabbele. 2. CHIRCOOLE/Alfurqan represents the interest of the Cadaado and South Mudug clan. They are closely aligned with Ifka-Xalin.. 3. SISIS/Banadir company, this is an interesting alliance of clans from North Mogadishu, this courts represents the Abukar Cadaan interst notably one of the most powerful players of the courts due to his connection to outside groups. His son Abduqadir is the finance chief of the whole courts. 4. Al-Shabaab: This some say is the most powerful militia forces and includes clan from other parts of Mogadishu and represents the interest of the younger more religious wing of courts. The courts have brought about change Indeed the courts have brought about a great deal of change in terms of securing Mogadishu and bringing a single order to the former capital and largest city of Somalia. However they have not improved upon the anti government sentiment of the warlords and in fact have gone further in their opposition to the government by adding religion to the usual arguments of clan interest and anti-Ethiopia rhetoric of the warlords. They have been unwilling so far to address the occupation of the south, looted properties, protection of unarmed clans. Their aim is to unify Somalia by force, and even search for Somaliweyn but not address the pressing issues affecting the people of Afgoyee. They are religious they have a Shura, and wear religious dress Indeed the clan courts have rebranded themselves as religious gone are the suits and western names and in comes the Islamic hats and garb. Also note how the PhD, and officer titles have been replaced with Shiekh, Imam, Macalin and of course the father of someone, Abu Qutabe, Abu Mansoor, and I even heard Abu Maryam a few times. Does this highlight the movement is more religious? The Shura a religious body headed by Xasan Dahir Aways, as if Xasan Dahir is a later day Ayatollah Khomeini, who was the top leader of Iran at the time. Is Xasan Dahir even the top religious leader of Mogadishu let alone Somalia? Also what does one say about the religious authority of this Shura, built in secrecy and which has warlords Cirfo and IndaCade as members? The fact tha Abukar Cadaan controls the national port and even Kismayu’s port highlights that business and self enrichment were central to the rise of the courts. How religious is it to take money from the national institutions? Occupation of the lower Shabbele and the Juba’s The controversial issue of the lower Shabbele haunts the Clan Courts supporters. The leader of the Shura Xasan Dahir, the head of security of the Courts IndaCade and others are allegedly directly involved in the occupation of the fertile lower Shabbele and are involved in the running of the Juba’s. While many try to deny, avoid or even sometimes justify the continued suffering of the south, many have realized that this issue is the greatest testament to the clan centric and exploitative agenda of the courts. The courts have banned Qad in both Kismayu and Mogadishu, but have not dared so far to ban in the villages of the lower Shabbele. Some see this as another example of the protection of the business interest of certain clans while disregarding and abusing the locals. Foreign fighters and outside elements What has given the clan courts their advantage over the warlords has been the number of foreign fighters and trainers who have fought side by side with the clan courts in their battle for Mogadishu and even the takeover of Kismayu and so on. It is amusing that the courts are against peacekeepers and attack Ethiopia while all along they are getting arms and support from as many as 11 nations including Eritrea. Some of their foreign fighters have even burned the national flag all in the pretence of being Islamic. Conclusion The Clan Courts have brought about security to Mogadishu, but who controls Mogadishu, who has benefited from the opening of the port? Have the people been empowered? The answer is the courts have given power to a select few individuals who represent the armed clans of Mogadishu. The occupation of lower Shabbele continues and corruption has been institutionalized in the case of the Cadaans. The people of Mogadishu can ever more freely but they have yet to regain their city.

MUQDISHO: Jaadka oo dhex ceegaaga Magaalada Muqdisho iyo Maxkamadaha oo sheegtay inay joojiyeen jaadka Posted to the Web Nov 22, 16:25 Muqdisho (PP) - Daraasad ay Puntlandpost ku sameysan Magaalada Muqdisho ayaan ku ogaannay inay jiraan weli meelo badan oo jaadka lagu iibiyo, waxaana jaadkaas uu ka soo galaan Magaalada Muqdisho qaybo kale oo dalka ka tirsan. Dad diiday inaan magacyadooda xusno ayaa u sheegay Puntlandpost inay jiraan jaad uga yimaada qaybo badan oo dalka ka tirsan, waxaana ay sheegeen qaarkood inuu jaadka uga yimaado Magaaada Marka ee Gobolka Shabeellada Hoose, halka kuwo kalena ay sheegeen inuu uga yimaado Mgaaalada Afgooye ee isla gobolkaas. "Jaadka waxaa noo keena xubno ku dhowdhow Maxkamadaha oo aan shaki sidaas ah laga qabin, waxaana ay ku guulaystaan inay soo marsiiyaan goobaha Koontaroollada ah ee ay dhigteeen wadooyinka ka yimaada koonfurta Soomaaliya" ayuu yiri ruux magaciisa qariyay oo u sheegay Puntlandpost inay jiraan Jaad uga yimaada gobolada Dalka Qaarkood. Xubnahaan u warrramay Puntlandpost ee jaadka ka ganacsada ayaa waxay sheegeen qaarkood in jaadka uu uga yimaado Degmada Baydhabo uuna soo maro waddada isku xirta Muqdisho iyo Baydhabo, waxayna ku sheegeen in jaadka ay u soo qaadaan gawaari ay leeyihiin Maxkamadaha oo ay wataan ciidamamdooda. "Gawaarida ragga wada iyo ciidammada la socda ayaa waxay naga qaataan lacago aad u fara badan oo ay noogu soo gudbiyaan jaadka, waxaana u sheegi lahaa inaysan Maxkamaduhu awood u lahayn inay joojiyaan jaadka ee ay u habboon tahay inay iska fasaxaan" ayuu yiri ruux kale oo sheegay inuu jaad ku iibiyo xaafad ka mid ah Magalaada Muqdisho. Maxkamadaha aya waxay joojiyeen jaadka ka ganacsigiisa iyo cunistiisa 14-ii bishaan, waxayna sheegeen inay ka ciribtireen Magalaada Muqdisho inuu jaadka soo galo. Daabacaad: Puntlandpost.com