^^^KD. The TFG troops are around Baidoa number more than 10,000 heavily armed and ready to fight. I more than get the idea. But dont put it in such terms again.

^^^Red Sea, it took you all this time to come up with that? You saxib are the very example of a lame Somali going no where. You support your clans ill thought attempt at nation hood and then hide behind Islam. Northerner, said it best once, that the Clan ourts will fight both the TFG and Puntland and thus should be supported by Somaliland. I agree with this honest view point. Yours on the other hand is just garbage.

Kamalu Diin, everyone has a right to ask and answer questions. We dont need censorship in here. Ethiopian involvement is an important issue for both groups and must be discussed.

Jaylani, you know Ethiopia is a dangerous foe, thus the Clan Courts are putting them selves in danger. The idea that an Iraq style insurgency will occur without the Iraq 400,000 Sadam army is ludicrous. They can get thousands of fighters from around the wold, it wont matter they will be no more than a shooting range for the armed forces. This is what one has to put into context, the days of the Clan Courts are over.

^^^No I dont think the Clan Courts can wage a war on Puntland let alone Ethiopia. So lets put this into context. The TFG has not declared war on anybody, and even signed agreements with the Clan Courts in Khartum. It is the Courts who after that agreement waged a land grab campaign that includes the TFG districts of Bur-Hakabo which is in Bay. Then to mask their aim, they declared a Jihad [nonsence] on Ethiopia. Thus it is the Courts who are waging war and calling for Jihad. So far the TFG has resisted this, but maybe soon it will no longer be able to.

Mystic with all due respect, the TFG came about through a long Somali process, the Clan Courts came about due to nothing more than a clan takeover of Mogadishu and areas nearby that was going on for 16 years.

^^^The Tigray you mean, well we know that the Clan Courts declared Jihad on Ethiopia and thus lead to it being at war with Ethiopia. If this is the case they know where Ethiopia is, they could invade it from Guriceel, Beledweyne so, why attack Diinsoor and Bur-Hakabo if you are waging a war on Ethiopia? Classic Clan Court fakery.

A Somali expert on the fake MAP. AUDIO

SF, The Clan Courts are a power hungry group. Hence the daily aggression and naked lies. If one is forced to fib, then do one close to the truth at least that might confuse many.

^^^Funny exchange.

Baydhabo: Dawladda FS oo beesha caalamka ku wargalisay in ajnabi aad u fara badan ay ka jawaabeen codsigii maxkamaduhu ugu yeereen Muqdisho. Isniin, December 11, 2006 Baydhabo(AllPuntland)-Dawladda Soomaaliya ayaa maanta ka dhawaajisay in dalka Soomaaliya ay kusoo fool leedahay xiisad colaadeed oo saamayn ku yeelan karta geeska Afrika. Dawladdu waxay sheegtay in xiisad gaarta geeska Afrika ay hormuud u noqon doonaan maxkamadaha oo adeegsanaya muslimiin xag jir ah. "Halkii laga rabay in maxkamadaha Islaamiga ay joojiyaan is ballaarinta isla markaana ay bilaabaan wada hadallada nabadda waxay taas baddalkeeda sii wadaan is ballaarin millatari " waxaa sidaasi sheegtay wasaaradda warfaafinta Soomaaliya. Dawladda Soomaaliya waxay beesha caalamka ogaysiisay in dalka xaalad adag uu qarka u saaranyaay , xaaladdaasi oo wada hadalka nabadda bur burin karta , gobolka mid khatar ah ka dhigi karta. Warbixinta kasoo baxday dawlada Federaalka maanta oo Isniin ah oo ahayd mid loo qaybiyay saxaafadda beesha caalamka ayaa sheegaysa in maxkamaduhu ay dalka kusoo dhaweeyeen kooxo argagixiso ah. " Boqolaal qof oo u dhashay Ereteria iyo kuwo kale oo fara badan oo ajnabi ah ayaa ka jawaabay dhawaqii " Jihaadka" ee ay maxkamaduhu ugu yeereen kooxahaasi" ayay tiri warbixinta wasaaradda warfaafinta. Khubaro ka tirsan beesha caalamka ayaa sheegtay in maxkamadaha is ballaarintooda ay ka danbayso ujeeddo ah inay meesha ka saaraan dawladda federaalka , una haraan xukunka Soomaaliya. Maxkamadaha Islaamiga ayaa sheegay in dawladda federaalku ay dagaalka hurinayso, maadaama ay dalka Soomaaliya ku casuntay Itoobiyaan. Iminka dawladda iyo maxkamadaha ayaa isku jira dhowr Kilometer , taasoo dadka Soomaalida ah ku ridday cabsi joogto ah oo kusaabsan in dagaal mar walba dhici karo. CCC Farayaamo AllPuntland

Saxib Red Sea, you are ignorant of the ways of war, running around and claiming glory after capturing small villages is more than idiotic. The Clan Courts are in an imaginary war in the media. The TFG has not yet declared war, dont mix up Duke, or other pundits decleration with that of the TFG official stance. The TFG has not declared war on any nation, group, individual or even substance. Its the courts who have declared war on everything and who have trespassed into TFG controlled regions and others. When the TFG declares war, no doubt the Duke will be the first to post it.

^^^The TFG has the right excuse now to both limited wage war and boycot any talks with the Clan Courts. This is just setting the record stright. The courts have attacked Bay & Bakool wich is the base of the government... Their options are narrowing daily.

Ganacsatada keenta Gawaarida Magaalada Muqdisho oo cabasho ka mujiyay lacagta Canshuurta ee looga qaado Dekeda Muqdisho. Muqdishu, Isnaiin, 11 Dec 06 Simba Radio Cabashadaani ay maanta muujiyeen ilaa iyo 50 Shirkadood oo keenta gawarida magaalada Muqdisho ayaa ka dambeysay kadib markii ay ganacsatadaasi sheegeen dekeda weyn ee Magaalada in looga qaado lacago xaddhaaf ah oo lagu kordhiyay Mudooyinkii ugu Dambeeyay waa sida ay hadalka u dhigeenne. Cali Sheekh Maxamuud oo ah Afhayeenka Gudiga ganacsatada gaadiidka keena magaalada Muqdisho iyo Waliba qalabka biraha Spare Parts ayaa waxaa uu saxaafada u sheegay in ay cabashadooda la xiriirto lacago lagu soo kordhigay dekeda weyn ee magaalada Muqdisho oo ku aadan in laga qaadayo xiliga ay dekeda ka soo dajistaan gawaarida isla mar ahaantaana ay uga badan wixii ay horay u dhiibi Jireen. Cali Sheekh ayaa arintaani ku eedeeyay in ay wadaan qaar ka mid ah ganacsatada ku dhaqan magaalada Muqdisho oo uu sheegay in ay wadaan howlahaani ku aadan in wax laga badalo Qiimihii canshuuraadka ee horay looga qadi jiray ganacsatada wax ka soo dajisata dekeda weyn ee magaalada Muqdisho. Afhayeenka Gudiga ganacsatada keenta Gawaarida Magaalada Muqdisho Cali Sheekh Maxamuud ayaa intaasi ku daray in gawaarida fara badan oo gaaraya ilaa iyo 80-gawaarida nooca Yar yarka ah sababo la xiira Cabasho ay ka Muujiyeen lacagaha lagu soo kordhiyay isla markaana sida uu sheegay uu dhawaan dekeda ku soo xiran dono markab sida ku dhawaan 150-gawaari ah iyo qalabka gadiidka. Afhayeenka ayaa ugu dambeeytii ugu baaqay Mas'uuliyiinta Sar sare ee golaha maxaakiimta Islaamiga Soomaaliyeed in ay cabashadooda wax ka qabtaan isla markaana ay sameeyaan qiimo dhimis mac quul ah oo ay ku wada shaqeyn karaan maamulka maxaakiimta Iyo waliba ganacsatada keensata gawaarida.

Muqdisho: Ganacsatada suuqa Kaaraan oo kasoo horjeestay canshuur maxkamaduhu bilaabeen. Isniin, December 11, 2006 Muqdisho(AllPuntland)- Maxkamadaha magaalada Muqdisho ayaa maanta ka bilaabay suuqa Jamhuuriya ee xaafadda Kaaraan canshuur laga qaadayo ganacsatada suuqaasi. Canshuurta ganacsatadan laga qaadayo ayaa dhan 20,000 oo shilinka Soomaaliga , taasoo laga qaadayo dukaan walba oo suuqa ku yaalla. Ganacsatada suuqa ayaa qaar kamid ah ay sheegeen inaysan ogolayn inay bixiyaan canshuur intaasi le'eg , ayagoo ku tilmaamay in canshuurahaasi ay yihiin kuwo xad gudub ah. Ganacsatada ayaa maxkamadaha ku dhaliilay lacagta ay qaadayaan inaysan waxba ka duwanaanayn lacagihii horay looga qaadi jiray intii aysan magaalada Muqdisho la wareegin. Madaxda maxkamadaha oo soo saaray qoraal ayaa sheegay in loo baahan yahay in la fuliyo awaamiirta maxkamadaha, haddii kale ay adeegsan doonaan awood. Maxkamaduhu waxay horay u iclaamiyeen inay dadkii ka xoreeyeen kooxo jid gooyooyin u dhigan jiray isla markaana goobaha ganacsiga lacago ka qaadi jiray , hase ahaatee mid kamid ah ganacsatada suuqa Jamhuuriyaa ee Kaaraan ayaa sheegay inuu damacsan yahay inuu goobtiisa iska xiro , maadaama wali lacagihii faraha badnaa ay daba socdaan. CCC Farayaamo AllPuntland

Dowladda KMG ah oo ka digtey qatar ku soo fool leh somaliya iyo beesha caalamka Posted to the MOL December 11, 2006, 12:03 pm Baydhabo:- War ka soo baxay maanta wasaarada warfaafinta ee dowladda KMG ah ayaa caalamka ugu baaqey in xaaladda Soomaaliya ka jirta ay tahay mid cakiran oo Qatar ku ah nabada Somaliya iyo wadamada caalamka una baahan in si deg deg ah wax looga qabto. Waxa warsxaafadeedkaas oo loo qaybshiyay saxaafada dawladu ku sheegtey in hub iyo dagaalyahanno ka socda dawladaha carabta iyo Eritrea ay ku soo gurmayeen maalmahan dhulka maxaakiinta Islaamku ka taliyaan siiba magaalada Muqdisho ka dib markay casumaad ka heleen madaxda maxaakiimta. Hadalkaan ka soo yeeray dawlada KMG ah ayaa u muuqda digniintii ugu dambeysay ee dawlada KMG ah ka timaada ee xaalada nabadeed ee sii xumaanaysa ka dib markii dagaal yahano ajaaniib ah oo ku xiran argagixisada aduunka ay Somaliya u yimaadeen inay jihad kala galaan wadamada reer galbeedka. Maxkamadaha Islaamiga Muqdisho ayaa dhawr jeer meelo fagaara ah ku cusumay dagaal yahaniintaas inay ka hawl galaan Somaliya. Maxkamadaha Muqdisho oo ay maamulaan hal qabiil ayaa dad badan rumeysan yihiin inaysan diinta iyo jihaadka ay ku soo jiidanayaan dadka muslimnka ah aysan run ka ahayn ee arinta tahay xukun doon. Si kastaba ha ahaatee waxaa hadda muuqata inay adag tahay sidii looga hortagi lahaa dagaal kale oo dadka Somaliyeed ku hoobtaan. Madaxda maxkamadaha ee haatan horboodaya maxkamadaha islaamiga ayaa sannadkii 1991 waxay sidaas oo kale dad wax magarato ah ugu kiciyeen magac qabiil taas oo dhibkii iyo xasuuqii ka dhashay dhalisay inay Somaliya wali is-aamini weysan tahay. Maxkamadaha Muqdisho ayaa carqalad weyn ku noqday howlihii dib u heshiisiinta oo sannadihii dambe meel fiican marayeen iyadoo dadka Somaliyeed bilaabeen inay markale is dhexmaraan haatanse ay yaraatay isku gudubka dadka iyo ganacsiguba. Mudugonline.com

Horn,the news is coming from the courts themselves. They are feeding the international community with some bull. However the TFG has warned it will fight an all out war if they continue trying to move in Bay & Bakool. The stage is set.

^^^Where there is smoke usually there is fire. Those who make threats are the main suspects. The Clan Court are they main suspects in these outrageous acts and they make idle threats in public, what may they plan in private?

^^^Well you are departing from all reason as is the case with many who oppose the TFG for basic clan reasons. One, what are the likes of Xasan dahir, Abdiqasin and Galaal to be titles with respect to their actions in the lower Shabbele this past decade? Criminals, thugs, come to mind because warlord is a good term to even name these groups. Selective memory aside, when the warlords where at the hight of their power. The courts lived with them, supported them and in union with them even opposed any governmnet, that would address, basic rights, property and bring equility to the average citizen . What you have is the final excuse, they failed with politics, i.e Nairobi conference 4.5. formula back fired. So now its the faith..No doubt they will fail with this.

^^^You seem to deny everything, even if your eyes come across it. Eritrea is involved, it has sent troops to prop up the Clan Court millitia. The UN monitoring group has also pointed the finger at Asmara. Aferwarki was the only President in the world, angered by the removal of the arms embargo. Eritrea has its reasons, and the actions of its regimes and its many wars indicate it is more than capable of taking such action.

^^^The Clan Courts have warlords with in it, such as IndaCade, Cirfo and others. Their millitia are led by the same comanders which served all the warlords of Mogadishu. Warlord IndaCade has linked his group to ALQAEDA. His vailed statement was broadcasted around the world, so there is the smoking gun. Their image and posture is taken from what they see on Al-Jazeera and so on, with the AK47 with the holly Quran in one hand and cries of Jihad to any and everyone.

UIC: Islamic movement or Tribal fervor: Birth of UIC A mistake too often made by those examining UIC’s behavior in the Somali political theatre or when analyzing its stand against bringing African Union Peace keeping force in the country or interpreting their call for Jihad – is to assume that UIC’s are acting in good faith. Even their most trenchant critics can fall into this trap not to mention the oppressed average Somali person in the hands of the merciless warlords past 16 years. Without prejudice, let us examine facts. The movement that brought down the Mogadishu’s powerful warlord’s club was none other than TFG bottom up approach. Movement spearheaded by the Government nominated Governor and Mayor of Mogadishu Mr. Hassan Adde Gaabow collaborated by traditional chieftains mainly from ****** clan. Clearly, it is part of our culture not render credit where its due. With the help of IGAD member states, TFG pursued economic sanctions against warlords by shutting down their airports and movements. Governor / Mayor Adde outsmarted, humiliated and defeated Yalahow and Qanyare’s tempts of setting up parallel administration opposing his constitutionally nominated office. Thus, reduced their economic and political influence in Mogadishu. . According to Mogadishu’s civil society organs it was a matter of time to witness the collapse of warlord era in Mogadishu and Somalia. It was Governor Adde, who early on engaged some members of the local tribal courts; currently known UIC to help him defeat the warlords. Called it bad calculation on Governor’s part or political naiveté. A group who benefited running under world business and were alleged behind the killings of many Somali intellectuals (Scholars, Army Generals and Business Leaders) in Mogadishu whom they found out of step or see challenge their way of Somalia, including the murderous killings of activist Abdulkadir Yahye, who got murdered in front of his wife and children in the wee hours of the morning. Not to mention twice attempts made on the life of the Prime Minister while visiting Mogadishu. And who can forget those suicide shocking pictures on the life of President of Somalia, followed by strings of suicide attempts in Baydhaba. Sadly, the under world operators found and seized a new platform meant for bettering the lives of all Somalis, but, firstly, that of Mogadishu inhabitants. More importantly, warlords, after realizing the unclimbable growing tide against their grip on the neck of lean Somali people sought the backings of terror obsessed USA government and suddenly started pointing the true pictures of the tribal courts, whom they shared the prevention of rebirth of a viable Somali nation over the years. The rage of the common person initiated by the TFG, fuelled by governor Adde including that of tribal courts run over the warlords. Nevertheless, in nanno seconds, just before the ashes cooled down, the tribal courts seized / hijacked the movement and marginalized Governor Adde and all those who wanted to see the white starred blue flag wave confidently, once more. TFG & UIC The TFG following the agreed path of reconciliation extended olive branch and courted UIC to accept 7 point peace plan agreement in Khartoum, Sudan. Sadly, before the signed peace pages dried the UIC violated the most fundamental basis of the 7 point peace and confidence building measures by grapping more territories in the south and threatened the peace in the stable regions (Puntland & Somaliland). With that in mind, TFG continued peace efforts and dialogue with the UIC, hoping direct engagement might bear fruit. Nonetheless, it is very clear Somalis alone cannot bring peace and stability in the country. Both internal and external factors are not allowing this peace to move forward. Whilst, it is the internal factor that most to blame. Called it low confidence, low infrastructure or low capacity. It is imperative to have some sort of intervention – we became (Rag iyo Dumar aan is indho buuxin). The derogatory 4.5 formula of power divisions among the Somali clans was/is the best suited path for peace to come in our country. However, it sounds disgusting and primitive. It was the only formula to wheel the dragon forward. Former TFG President and now the poster child of UIC (Abdi Qasim Salad Hassan) participated both the letter and the spirit of the election /selection process. All of a sudden, it became a flawed process dictated by foreign interventionists. To cover their hidden and masked intentions, UIC called Jihad to liberate Hargeysa, Boosaaso, Nairobi, Addis and all Muslim territories from advancing enemies. Thus far their achievements are limited to petty and minimal activities including closing sports bars and providing security who ever can afford Indho Adde’s well armed boys. Oops, how one can forget opening the great National Port. The catch is the keys to the port was handed to Abukar Omar Addani and his Benadir Corporation for financing the war. Meaning, Ceelmacaan and now Mogadishu ports are belonging to one group. Islam is a religion of peace and we should be outraged when violence is associated with. My stomach crunches when western media portrays and links Islam the activities of a few. Equally, we should reject and desist when Islam is associated with violence by misguided power hungry individuals in our midst. Take a walk in down town Hargeysa or Boosaaso when Maghrib prayer is called. All Masjids are filled and half the people are praying outside the mosques, dutifully. Hence, we are all Muslims. Finally, our solution lies the continuation of the collective tribal bargaining. It is the TFG which represents this process. Five years from now, our bargaining chips could move to regional identities. TFG is not a perfect institution. But it is the only vehicle sufficient for us to ride. Less desirable elements; currently on board may not be allowed to re-board when the right and merit politics are deployed. Today, it is Miro gunti ku jira, kuwo geed saaran looma daadiyo. Let the TFG do its mandate. Do not shed peace shed hatred. A Abdi Joburg, SA Contact: Abdirahmanwa@yahoo.com

^^That was stinging to the point and exact.

^^^Saxib, personal attack will not cover up the issue. War is engaged by men, what on earth have these kids got to do with it? The fact that IndaCade, Xasan Dahir and others are drumming up for war. Why are you prasing Aways and then side step that it is his group that are bringing parading the women and children? This not a religious matter, nor even the conduct of warriors. Though all this noise was never about religion or Ethiopia. The group behind it where never led by true warriors. Alas, you can not change the pics and the story they tell..