Mintid Farayar;927075 wrote: Xaaji let them vent. It's a painful time for many! The Azania/Jubba project is dead in the water after Hassan Sheikh played a clever game with the support of key international backers. We tried to warn those vested in the project about the forces arrayed against the plan but they wouldn't listen. Like the old saying, 'Wanka Wayn Ishiisu Cirka Ma’aragto Ilaa la Gawraco!' . We just have to make sure Somaliland doesn't fall for the same techniques/tricks when it comes to dealing with Hassan Sheikh and co. Indeed culusow played it very smart with the international community regarding the Kismayo Jubbaland issue including the relations with the Key IGAD countries, and his second achievement was signing a working agreement with the Garowe clan enclave sending the PM there Pirates now are singing a different tune.This would mean he would not get any opposition from that corner. You are correct we must be vigilant when dealing with Mr Culusow but Somaliland Politicians can see through him with the latest not attending the London conference.

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Xiinfaniin told us there would be a major triumph in the make up of jubbaland after the Kenya conference nothing at all look at this. Again Xiins predictions made no sense at all Masuuliyiinta maamulka oo dib Kismaayo ugu soo laabtay Qeeybo ka mid ah masuuliyiinta maamulka Kismaayo oo Nairobi maalmo ka hor gaaray ayaa maanta dib ugu soo laabtay Kismaayo. Nairobi ayaa waxaa ka dhacay shir ay isugu yimaadeen maamulka Kismaayo, masuuliyiin horey ugu sugnaa Nairobi, Igad iyo heeyado caalami ah oo Soomaaliya daneeya. Masuuliyiinta maanta magaalada ku soo laabatay ayaa la filayaa in ay warbaahinta la hadlaan si ay uga war bixiyaan wixii u soo qabsoomay. Warar hordhac ah ayaa sheegaya in shirkaa lagu qaadaa dhigay qorshooyin ay ka mid yihiin qorshooyin ciidan oo mar dhaw la filayo in la dardar galiyo.

^^ What are you talking about , the Kooonfurians can have it all as long as long as SL is Separate, the people of Somaliland are happy and so are its leaders with this fantastic decision. You can take all the aid you guys are addicted on. But Somaliland will not be attending the conference. As for Puntland and the rest for Somalia thats Something the Koonfurians have to solve them selves. The conference its self is just about Somalia probably about Somalia's improvements piracy shabab security and what not, it doesn't concern Somaliland. The only hot topic that concerns Somaliland is the Somalia and Somaliland talks and Somaliland will attend that and will also try to organize a conference in a foreign country along with Somalia, to talk to Somalia.

Not true that conference was organized by the British goverment and they chaired it remember how the Somalia media went crazy they thought Somalia would be put under a UN trustee ship. The previous conference and the upcoming conference there was a huge difference remember how David had a nice breakfast with all the Somali faction leaders except the Somaliland President and government. The upcoming conference will be organized by Somalia and the united kingdom and they will jointly chair it.Somaliland is right not to attend the conference we applaud the Somaliland goverment for doing that.

Man what are you talking about the war between the Somalilanders and General siad bare loyalists ended long time ago no need to bring that up we were just talking about the numbers of raskambooni in Kismayo thats all no need to bring up past conflicts.

Apophis;927048 wrote: Xaajio, I don't know why Kamboni's strength shocks you. Do you fear they'll soon be seeking revenge for the massacre you undertook in the late 80s against them? It's Godfather part 2, all debts are to be paid it doesn't shock me but they are not 3000 or more its not a correct number. Those who were the former allies of general Siad bare were defeated, do not act like you came to Somaliland with toy guns.

Xiinfaniin na wuxu isku haysta ninka ugu xogogaalsan:D bal weynu eegi waxa shirka Kenya ka so baxa,, anigu waan ku sheegey shirkaas wax micne samayneyse kama so baxayaan.

We lost entire districts of negelle moyalle guradamole filtu districts, to protect the land oday is right the numbers must rise in the region and there should be awareness about this issue. Haatu the Somali kilil admin and the Oromo kilil admin haven't agreed at all. Ileey and co tried several times to solve this. But the TPLF refused to solve this matter and want the status quo some how. The ONLF map is different but they to have not raised this issue unfortunately.

Look at the difference The actual Somali galbeed map

Haatu the people who say oromos are welcome are the people who want to destroy the Somali identity in Somali galbeed. they are the number one enemy of Somali galbeed people.The system the EPRDF introduced was good ethno nationalism the oromos in oromia the Amharas in the amhara kilil the tigrayans in the tigray kilil. The Somalis in Somali kilil the only problem we have is the oromos who want to behave like intruders and that needs to be stopped.

xiinfaniin;927035 wrote: What has Silanyo to lose? If this refusal holds, and does not get reversed as happened before due to diplomatic pressure, Siilaanyo will lose a lot of political leverage. Saying no is always the last resort. The leverage Siilaanyo has is Somaliland street (and by Somaliland I mean the three Mother clans). It is a credible threat to say the street will not support me if I get on certain political programs (unity with Somalia and like). It is totally another ball game when I actually refuse and say no, in essence fortifying the effort of other countries to mitigate the situation ... Saying 'NO' is a failure What you are forgetting is that Siilaanyo isn't saying no to talks with Somalia he welcomes that , he just says no to attending a conference for Somalia , which will not be beneficial for Somaliland. In addition president siilaanyo and his government are very flexible to hold talks with Somalia as long as they jointly organize the meeting in a foreign country. As for Somaliland and the people of Somaliland are united in this, the opposition parties the guurti elders and the religious leaders and the goverment including the diaspora. I think it was a very wise decision.

*ANWAR*;927034 wrote: Discussions / meetings is progress regardless if it's good for you or not, Somaliland will lose international respect by not attend the meeting. do not forget that Somalia has a FULL recognized government now, UN or individual countries have no good reason to Recognized Somaliland.. the only thing Somaliland can do is to wait for the next civil war in Somalia looool Nothing will really change in that sense that , Somaliland hasn't lost any respect from the international community the past 21 years the first conference they attended was that of last year. And because it was an international conference hosted by Britain chaired by Britain. This conference is different this one is a conference both Somalia and the UK jointly chair, so all in all Somaliland will lose nothing. The international community will continue to deal with Somaliland as a defacto state. And its separate process talks between Somaliland and Somalia will continue till a final settlement is reached when talking about Somaliland and Somalia's future relations. By the way European countries sill have no diplomatic relations with Mogadishu as they still haven't opened their embassies in Mogadishu. No one wants war for Somalia , why do koonfurians always think Somalilanders want war for Somalia, do you know how many refugees come to Somaliland because of the wars in Somalia. Somalilanders just want peace in the horn and want good relations with Mogadishu and Somalia, as brotherly nations side by side. No need for war , dagaal faiido ma leh.

^^ There is no point for that since the Amisom is there as peace keeping forces no group can fully control the city as long as Amisom is there.

Apophis just because Amiir Godane is an Ethnic Somalilander that doesn't mean we pay his bills no proof for that just false allegations. The raskmanbooni are there and have the most Somali Soldiers there, more than the so called SNA.But they are not close to 3000 man

*ANWAR*;927018 wrote: LOOOOL waar President hassan as Nothing to lose While Siilaanyo has everything to lose.. at present all the power lies in Mogadishu, Siilaanyo is shortsighted man What has Silanyo to lose? How will a conference in london about Somalia benefit Somaliland, you should look it from a Somaliland perspective not from a Somalia perspective. Ofcourse Hassan has nothing to lose its a conference for his country and he and the PM of the UK will co chair it. But whats it in for Somaliland?

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Madaxweynaha Somaliland oo sheegay inaysan ka qaybgalayn shirka London ee looga Hadlayo Arrimaha Soomaaliya Jimco, Maarso 15, 2013 (HOL) — Madaxweynaha Somaliland, Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud (Siilaanyo) oo dib ugu soo laabtay Hargeysa kaddib shan maalmood oo uu safar ugu maqnaa waddanka Turkiga ayaa sheegay in Somaliland aysan ka qaybgalay shirka London. Axmed Siilaayo ayaa sheegay in shirkaas uu yahay mid Soomaaliya loo qabanayo iyagana uusan quseyn, sidaa daraadeedna ay dowladda Britain u sheegeen inaysan shirkaas ka qaygbalayn. “Shirka London waa mid loo qabanayo Soomaaliya, inaguna kama qaybgeli doonno, waayo ma ahan mid na khuseeya,” ayuu Siilaayo wariyeyaasha ugu sheegay garoonka diyaaradaha ee magaalada Hargeysa. Isagoo hadalkiisa sii wata ayaa wuxuu sheegay in wadahadallada u dhexeeya dowladda Soomaaliya iyo Somaliland ay muddo soo socdeen, balse aysan hadda socon, isagoo xusay in dib loo furo ayaana ka hadli doonnaa. Magaalada London ee dalka Britain ayaa lagu wadaa in horraanta bisha May ee soo socota lagu qaban doono shir looga hadlayo arrimaha Soomaaliya, kaasoo lagu casuumay maamulka Somaliland, waxaana shirkaas lagu waday inay isku arkaan wufuudda dowladda Soomaaliya iyo Somaliland si ay uga hadlaan sii socoshada wadahadalladii sannadkii hore u billowday. Xukuumadda Soomaaliya ayaa sheegtay iyadu inay ka qaybgalayso, iyadoo wafdiga uga qaybgalaya uu hoggaamin doono madaxweynaha Soomaaliya ayna ka mid noqon doonaan wasiirro iyo xildhibaanno ka tirsan baarlamaanka. Dhanka kale, madaxweynaha Somaliland ayaa ka hadlay safarkii uu ku tagay dalka Turkiga, isagoo sheegay inuu kula soo kulmay madax sare oo dalkaas ka tirsan ayna kawada hadleen sidii xiriirka labada dhinac loo adkeyn lahaa. Ugu dambeyn, Siilaanyo wuxuu sheegay in dowladda Turkiga ay u ballan-qaadday inay maamulkiisa ka caawin doono arrimo ay ka mid yihiin: biyaha, caafimaadka iyo waxbarashada, taasna ay si aad ah u soo dhaweeyeen.

No way raskmambooni is near 3000 troops come back to mother earth Apophis if it wasn't for the Kenyans we all know what would happen

I doubt it the gedo troops are already in Kismayo they are being kept in one part of the city where the Amisom kenyans are. And the conference in kismayo was cancelled altogether. Not sure how legitimate the conference in Kenya will be in the context of building a state for Somalia's jubba region.

I think its the correct decision because the Conference will be co chaired by President hassan and David Cameron of the UK, and its a conference entirely discussing the issues problems of Somalia, which doesn't include Somaliland. Even if a mini meeting between Somaliland and Somalia was planned it will not be productive. Somaliland and Somalia should discuss their future relations not in conference like that but in a separate conference they jointly organized.

Somaliland President Ahmed Siilaanyo made it clear that they wont attend the London conference, and that the Somaliland and Somalia talks are a separate process, and that these talks will continue i think this is a very good decision made by the Somaliland goverment well said President.

Madaxwaynaha Somaliland Iyo Weftigiisii Oo Dalka Ku Soo Laabtay, Qaadacayna Ka Qayb-galka Shirka London Hargeysa (Ramaas) Mar 15,2013 – Madaxwaynaha Somaliland Md Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud (Siilaanyo) iyo weftigiisii ayaa maanta galinkii dambe dalka dib ugu soo laabtay. Madaxwaynaha Somaliland, ayaa waxa madaarka diyaaradaha ku soo dhaweeyay Madaxwayne ku xigeenka Somaliland Cabdiraxmaan Saylici, Wasiirro, xildhibaano iyo masuuliyiin kale oo tiro badan. Madaxwaynaha ayaa safarkiisa uu kaga soo laabtay dalka Turkiga, waxa ku wehelinayey Wasiirrada Wasaaradaha Madaxtooyada, dib u dejinta, Khaarajiga, Macdanta iyo biyaha iyo Marwada koowaad ee Somaliland. Madaxwaynaha ayaa intii uu dalka Turkiga ku sugnaa waxa uu kulamo la yeeshay Raysal-wasaaraha Turkiga Wasiirrada Tamarta iyo khaarajiga Turkiga. Madaxwaynaha Somaliland Md Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud (Siilaanyo) oo markii uu dalka ku soo laabtay saxaafada u waramay ayaa sheegay inaan Somaliland ka qayb-galayn shirka London, isaga oo sheegay in shirkaasi yahay mid lagu marti-qaaday dawladda Somaliya, kaasina aanay ka qayb-galayn. Madaxwaynahaoo ugu horeyn faahfaahinaya safarkiisii Turkiga ayaa yidhi "Madaxda Dawladda Turkiga waxaanu ka wada hadalnay dhinacyo badan inaynu wax ka wada qabsano, iyaguna gacan inaga siiyaan oo ay inaga taageeraan, waxaanu rajaynaynaa inay si dhakhso ah ay wufuudi inoogaga iman doonaan, waxa kale oo aanu ka wada hadalnay sidii aanu u xoojin lahayn xidhiidhka labada dal iyo inaanu halkaasi ka furan doono cid inoo ilaalisa danaheena iyo maslaxada Somaliland" Madaxwayne Siilaanyo, waxa kale oo uu soo qaaday "Wada-hadalada Somaliland iyo Somaliya, wax muddo badan socday-bay ahaayeen, meelo badanbaa laga soo hadal qaadaa, laakiin hadda wax barnaamij ah oo noo socdaa ma jiro, kaa London ayaa ugu dhawaa, kaasina waa martiqaad loo sameeyay dawladda Somaliya, marti-qaad dawladda Somaliya loo sameeyayna anagu ka qayb-gali mayno shuqulna kuma lihin, laakiin mar ay yimaadaan wada-hadalo gooni loo wada hadlayo marka ay yimaadaan ayaa laga wada tashan doonaa”

Madaxwaynaha Somaliland Iyo Weftigiisii Oo Dalka Ku Soo Laabtay, Qaadacayna Ka Qayb-galka Shirka London Hargeysa (Ramaas) Mar 15,2013 – Madaxwaynaha Somaliland Md Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud (Siilaanyo) iyo weftigiisii ayaa maanta galinkii dambe dalka dib ugu soo laabtay. Madaxwaynaha Somaliland, ayaa waxa madaarka diyaaradaha ku soo dhaweeyay Madaxwayne ku xigeenka Somaliland Cabdiraxmaan Saylici, Wasiirro, xildhibaano iyo masuuliyiin kale oo tiro badan. Madaxwaynaha ayaa safarkiisa uu kaga soo laabtay dalka Turkiga, waxa ku wehelinayey Wasiirrada Wasaaradaha Madaxtooyada, dib u dejinta, Khaarajiga, Macdanta iyo biyaha iyo Marwada koowaad ee Somaliland. Madaxwaynaha ayaa intii uu dalka Turkiga ku sugnaa waxa uu kulamo la yeeshay Raysal-wasaaraha Turkiga Wasiirrada Tamarta iyo khaarajiga Turkiga. Madaxwaynaha Somaliland Md Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud (Siilaanyo) oo markii uu dalka ku soo laabtay saxaafada u waramay ayaa sheegay inaan Somaliland ka qayb-galayn shirka London, isaga oo sheegay in shirkaasi yahay mid lagu marti-qaaday dawladda Somaliya, kaasina aanay ka qayb-galayn. Madaxwaynahaoo ugu horeyn faahfaahinaya safarkiisii Turkiga ayaa yidhi "Madaxda Dawladda Turkiga waxaanu ka wada hadalnay dhinacyo badan inaynu wax ka wada qabsano, iyaguna gacan inaga siiyaan oo ay inaga taageeraan, waxaanu rajaynaynaa inay si dhakhso ah ay wufuudi inoogaga iman doonaan, waxa kale oo aanu ka wada hadalnay sidii aanu u xoojin lahayn xidhiidhka labada dal iyo inaanu halkaasi ka furan doono cid inoo ilaalisa danaheena iyo maslaxada Somaliland" Madaxwayne Siilaanyo, waxa kale oo uu soo qaaday "Wada-hadalada Somaliland iyo Somaliya, wax muddo badan socday-bay ahaayeen, meelo badanbaa laga soo hadal qaadaa, laakiin hadda wax barnaamij ah oo noo socdaa ma jiro, kaa London ayaa ugu dhawaa, kaasina waa martiqaad loo sameeyay dawladda Somaliya, marti-qaad dawladda Somaliya loo sameeyayna anagu ka qayb-gali mayno shuqulna kuma lihin, laakiin mar ay yimaadaan wada-hadalo gooni loo wada hadlayo marka ay yimaadaan ayaa laga wada tashan doonaa”