Mintid Farayar;969989 wrote: The thread is about 600 militiamen who've had a change of heart and Somaliland's expansion into all of its claimed space. There are countless other threads about Jubbaland to continue this sort of discussion. Or is this another attempt to distract from a bad news day?? Back to the 600 men Indhoshaeel one of the 3 presidents of Khatumo said there was no defection from Khatumo at all. He is Kenya by the way i think he is ill informed. One thing Mr Indhosheel is missing Somaliland gained more control 90 km south east of Ceerigaabo Fiqifuliye area how can they gain control if there was no peace agreement or defection in that sense. http://afbakayle.com/dhagayso-madax-wayne-khaatumo-oo-beniyay-in-ciidamo-ka-goostay/

Actually there are many of the SNM clans who support Jubbaland and there are many who are against it, it depends the same with the garaad clan, for example some segments of the Garaad clan believe they should not pick sides between barre hiiraale and Axmed madoobe Jubbaland since they are both their kin. For the SNM clans of Somaliland, some support Kenya gaining more control over Somalia since some feel closer to Kenya than to Somaliland. In order for Hassan sheikhs SFG to lose more legitimacy in his own country they want him to fail in the Jubbaland conflict against kenya. Remember many in Somaliland consider still Somalia a very hostile state and they dont mind Axmed madoobe gaining more momentum and control or even joining Kenya, in order to weaken Somalia. And there others who want hassan to succeed in order to have in the long term a strong Somalia next to Somaliland. I can show you a video of reer borama elders in support of Axmed madoobe. All in All the Somaliland government remain indifferent and neutral they dont see why they should support one group against the other. Both of them dont form a threat to Somaliland and i think its an excellence stance.

Meaning cut all ties with Culusow and be an autonomous state free of Culusow at all

Somaliland: “Britain Must Recognize Somaliland” EU MP Godfrey Bloom Sunday, 21 July 2013 05:16 Submit to Delicious Submit to Digg Submit to Facebook Submit to Google Bookmarks Submit to Stumbleupon Submit to Technorati Submit to Twitter Submit to LinkedIn As MP Henry Bellingham erroneously alludes to Berbera port being under the authority of the Somalia government during a session of the house of common By: Yusuf M HasanMP Bloom © after award in shefieldMP Bloom © after award in shefield SHEFIELD (Somalilandsun) – British Somalilanders have honoured a member of the European parliament for continued support to the international recognition of their mother Somaliland as a sovereign country. The honour in the form of a certificate was bestowed to EU MP Godfrey Bloom at a colourful event organized by British Somalilanders in Sheffield city in the UK where the MP reiterated his call to the British government to recognize Somaliland as an independent country. After thanking the organizers for the recognition of his efforts MP Bloom informed that his Liberal party is which committed to the international recognition of Somaliland has plans to embark on public campaigns to not only familiarize Britons with the issue but force the UK government to action. Said he, "During forthcoming election campaigns the Liberal party shall post somaliland recognition support adverts in the Daily Express newspaper which shall also be geared towards urging British Somalilanders not to vote for parties whose agenda does not include the recognition of Somaliland" The Yorkshire and North Lincolnshire representative wondered how the various UK governments formed by the conservative and Labour parties have for 22 years continued to turn a blind eye and deaf ears to the plight of the Horn of Africa country that was its protectorate for over 7 decades. Arguing that Somaliland's quest for international recognition deserves the support of the British people and government MP Bloom urged British Somalilanders to take action now rather than later by engaging expert legal counsel for engagement with the House of commons and #10 Downing street. "I always wonder why Britain continues to ignore Somalilanders whose citizens fought bravely with British soldiers during the Second World War" said EU MP Godfrey Bloom in conclusion. Meanwhile the house of commons was the venue where MP Henry Bellingham informed that the Somalia Federal government has managed to restore peace and assume control of the port of Berbera. The North West Norfolk Member of parliament who was contributing to a debate on the planned suspension by Barclays bank of accounts it holds for Money transfer companies among them 17 owned by citizens of Somali and Somaliland said, Henry BellinghamHenry Bellingham"During my time as a Foreign and Commonwealth Office Minister for Africa and the Caribbean, I received many briefings on the importance of remittances and the role that they play. As the hon. Lady pointed out, they complement the aid and development programme of many countries, including Britain, France and America. Very often, those remittances get through to areas such as small businesses, self-employed people and small non-governmental organisations and charities that aid money can never get to. Furthermore, they bypass any infrastructure of bureaucracy or middlemen and go direct to communities, where they can make a real difference" While the above sentiments carried the necessary weight on the issue of remittances MP Bellingham who was once a minister in charge of Africa displayed the lack of knowledge possessed by most British politicians in his next comment, I know, from having visited Somalia on a couple of occasions, the importance of that country, which is coming out of conflict. It has been through the most appalling time. At long last, there is stability in Somaliland, and there has been for some time. There is now a Government in Mogadishu who can control much more of the country, and certainly the big cities of Kismayo, Beledweyne, and Berbera are now under the Government control. It seems that normality is resuming in some of those areas, but there is still a long way to go before a normal banking system can be set up to support businesses and communities in the way that banks do, or should do. With this directed to the honourable members of the House of commons and from a sitting MP who was once chief foreign policy chief for the government in London hopes are that the likes of Godfrey Bloom shall soon take over and steer the great Country of Britain in the right direction through informed decision making.

Part of the population support there a clear difference between Somaliland and the Somaliland government stance I dont know where culusow state is situated you tell me. Again for the Somaliand goverment Culusow and Axmed madoobe wa isku mid wa khilaaf iyaga dhex taala maha mid Somaliland u taala.

It's good to be the king?: Belgium swears in Philippe amid tensions Photonews / Getty Images Contributor King Albert II of Belgium ® and Prince Philippe of Belgium (L) during the Abdication Ceremony of King Albert II Of Belgium in favor of Prince Philippe at the Royal Palace on July 21, 2013 in Brussels. By Robert-Jan Bartunek and Philip Blenkinsop, Reuters BRUSSELS — Belgium swore in Philippe as its new king on Sunday after his father Albert II abdicated, subduing for a day questions about his ability to bring a divided country together and the power of the monarchy. Philippe, 53, took his oath in Belgium's three official languages - Dutch, French and German - two-and-a-half weeks after King Albert, 79, announced that he would abdicate after 20 years on the throne. Albert could be seen mouthing the words "Vive le roi" (Long live the king) at the swearing-in ceremony in parliament. Before signing a legislative act in the royal palace to step down, Albert thanked his wife, who wiped away tears, and said his son had all the qualities to serve the country well. Advertise | AdChoices "My final recommendation to all those gathered here is to work without rest in keeping Belgium together," he said. Philippe returned to the subject in his address to parliament, saying Belgium's richness lay in its diversity. "ONE KING, TWO NATIONS" Philippe is the seventh king of the 183-year-old country which is split across the middle. Many Dutch speakers seek greater autonomy for Flanders in the north and are wary of a monarchy seen to be rooted in the once powerful, but now poorer French-speaking Wallonia in the south. "One king, two nations" was a headline in the French language business daily L'Echo. Outside the palace, a crowd gathered in festive mood, but in scorching heat that caused some to faint. Many shouted "vive le roi" and waved flags when Philippe and his wife Mathilde arrived on the balcony. "The new king is a bit of history. That doesn't happen very often so we wanted to be here," said Xavier De Graef from French-speaking Liege, clad in a Belgian soccer shirt, a flag and a wig in the red, yellow and black of the Belgian tricolour. There were a few dissenting voices, including the N-VA party that wants Dutch-speaking Flanders to break away from Belgium and favors a republic. "It leaves me cold. It doesn't make the hairs on my arm stand up. This is part of my job as a lawmaker. Otherwise it just passes me by," said Jan Jambon, its parliamentary chief. The party has been particularly vocal in recent weeks about the need to reform the monarchy but said it would not disturb Sunday's pageantry. Far-right separatists Vlaams Belang said they would not attend the swearing in, but planned no protests. However, Michiel Descheemaeker, a 21-year-old student who with friends was dressed in mediaeval costume, said he had come to protest against monarchies in general. "Kings belong in fairy tales and that's the only place," he told Reuters Television.

Johnny Jubbaland maxa ka galay Somaliland if they join culusow or stay separate it will never effect Somaliland i dont know what u are trying to say. Khatumo can support Jubbaland, i even know some reer hargeysa who support Jubbaland and reer borama odayaal. But this doesn't change the Somaliland goverment stance which is very neutral on all domestic affairs of Somalia.

yaa alleh wax siiyey:D

Carafaat;969917 wrote: Its seems quite clear what kind of a a relationship Somalia and Somaliland are heading for. wee iska cadahay. Wax cad ba iska yar niman 3 cisho wada hadlayey qodob kaliya ku heshiiyey way ku tusaysa in wada hadalki so gab gaboobeen:D Somaliana ma aqbali karan gooni isutagaa Somaliland. Somaliland na dawladnimadeeda cidna uga tanasuli mayso Marka result =0 Wada hadalka oktober na wa fashiil hada siday ku socoto.

Somalia;969925 wrote: Carafaat is right, fish should be negotiated. Lol

^^ Somaliland is very neutral in the Jubbaland Kenya/SFG conflict, ofcourse people have different opinion on that matter.

Mad_Mullah;969919 wrote: Somalis in Ethiopia don't even form 10% - yet we are the biggest challenge to the Ethiopian government and the most oppressed ethnicity. Oromos are useless, they form the largest ethnic group yet they're all refugees in Yemen/Sudan and even Puntland/Somaliland. You would think they would meet up and start organizing some kind of rebellion. Plus the problem with Oromo is if you ask them what are you a lot of them will say Ethiopian While the Somali will say Somali(an). You should not view oromo as one ethnic group but as several ethnic groups under one ethnic group, arsi bale and hararghe have an oromo identity shewa addis ababa wollo welega, feel that they are ethiopian first borana oromos are admixture of nilotics. People should not view oromo as one ethnic group.

The Zack re read what i wrote i said according to ethiopian statistics , by the way Somalis have this understanding that oromos are majority Muslims this is far from the truth significant number of oromo is not Muslim its closely 60% to 40%

There is a khatuumo shir in taleex soon bal aynu sugno waxa ka soo baxa

^^ I dont think it really has much to do with the Foreign minister it has more to do what kind of strategy he brings and plan to achieve the Somaliland goal. To deliver the price he either has to be very good negotiator when dealing with the Koonfurians who or he creates something new way of achieving the Somaliland objective. I doubt his clan matters he is from the same clan of Dr Bidaar, and we all know the shortcommings of the Dr Bidaar. i actually believe Somalilands best foreign minister was during the udub days Ducaale dhoolayare. He was a man who understood African and international diplomacy. Lets see what Biixi brings for Somaliland.

Naxar Nugaaleed;969895 wrote: With population of at least 50 percent, hailemariam desalegn neither holds Iftar dinners nor has a Muslim FM. Oromos and Somalis of Ethiopia are qasaaro wallahi. Actually the oromos are 40% Christians and according to Ethiopian statistics there are even more oromo Christians than Muslims, only Hararghe bale arsi oromos are 99% Muslim Welega are protestant shewa and Wollo and addis ababa oromos are all or Catholic or Orthodox Christians. There are actually more Amhara Muslims in the Highland than oromos in central and northern Ethiopia. The Ethiopian government believes it creates divisions if it dines with the Muslims remember there is Muslim uprise in the capital addis ababa. Somalis are minority cidi waxba ma weydiso. Muslims are not even allowed to build a mosque in Tigray Axum city. Kenya is more open kenya is more tolerant kenya is a democracy. Xabashida cidi lama joogi karto,

He is an elected President and he loves the unity of all the Kenyans he believes he is also one of them the Kenyan Muslim since he is their leader. He kinda reminds me of the President of Eritrea he did the same he also wore islamic clothing during the eid festivals in Eritrea. Leaders who do that want to keep their nations together despite religious differences.

The Zack;969861 wrote: The questions can be reversed and asked you.... you have been telling us Khaatumo is weak and have no strong troops... now you are telling us 600 well trained Khaatumo soldiers have surrendered. No one said they were well trained, just because u have 2000 men who can carry a gun doesn't mean u have an army that can threaten any one. I think Khatumo yesterday officially integrated the bulk of their militia into the Somaliland army. Others will follow soon 2.

Wasiirka Arimaha Debada Somaliland Oo Maanta Dalka Yimid Soo Dhawayn Diirana Kala Kulmay Xukuumada Somaliland iyo Shacabka, Si Koobana Uga Hadlay Xilka Loo Magacaabay+Sawiro (Hadhwanaagnews) Sunday, July 21, 2013 Hargeysa(HWN):-wasiirka cusub ee wasaarada arimaha debada Somaliland Maxamed Biixi Yoonis oo maanta dalka yimid ayaa soo dhawayn balaadhan kala kulmay shacabka ku dhaqan caasimada Hargeysa. Hargeysa(HWN):-wasiirka cusub ee wasaarada arimaha debada Somaliland Maxamed Biixi Yoonis oo maanta dalka yimid ayaa soo dhawayn balaadhan kala kulmay shacabka ku dhaqan caasimada Hargeysa. Wasiirka cusub ee wasaarada arimaha debada Somaliland oo maanta ka soo degay garoonka diyaaradaha ee magaalada Hargeysa ayaa waxa garoonka diyaaradaha ku soo dhaweyey xubno ka mida golaha wasiirada Somaliland,madax dhaqameed iyo dadweyne aad u tiro badan. Wasiirka cusub ee wasaarada arimaha debada Somaliland Maxamed Biixi Yoonis oo warbaahinta kula hadlay gudaha garoonka diyaaradaha ee magaalada Hargeysa ayaa waxa u mahad celiyey xubnaha xukuumada ah ee soo dhaweeyey iyo guud ahaan shacbi weynaha ku soo dhaweeyey garoonka diyaaradaha. waxaanu sheegay inuu wadanka u yimid sidii uu ugu shaqayn lahaa waxaanu yidhi ? waxaan u mahad celinayaa madaxweynaha,xukuumadiisa,golaha baarlamaanka,salaadiinta iyo guud ahaan shacabka Somaliland. waxanan ilaahay ka baryayaa hawshaa culus ee lay igmaday in ilaahay ii fududeeyo, waxaan ilaahay ka baryayaa inaad igu gacan qabataan, waa hawl culus oo umada u taala, waana inaynu ka midaysnaanaa arimaha qaranka, arimaha ictiraafka iyo arimaha gooni isu taaga mucaarid iyo muxaafidba.? Wasiirka cusub ee wasaarada arimaha debada Somaliland Maxamed Biixi Yoonis oo hadalkiisa sii wata ayaa waxa uu intaas raaciyey. ?Waxaan ahaa Secratery General waxaana ii magacaabay xoghaya qaramada midoobay banki moon waxaanan ka shaqaynayey UN-ka laakiin madaxweynuhu waxaan u sheegay inaan wadankayga imanayo oo aan u shaqaynayo oo aan ka tago shaqadaydii aan ka hayey qaramada midoobay diyaar-na aan u ahay inaan hawshan lay igmaday qabto.? Ayuu yidhi wasiirka cusub ee wasaarada arimaha debada Somaliland Maxamed Biixi Yoonis.

^^ Thats not important i am more interested how and what kind of diplomatic relations Somalia and Somaliland can have,there is no point of talking about fishery pollution and the environment. When we dont even know what kind of relations we are going to have.lets first sort out , the political conflict and dispute between Somalia and Somaliland which circulates around that Somaliland withdrew from the failed union. And Somalia is not in agreement this should be discussed, marka ta meel la isla dhigo, we can talk about fish cunto bariis bad wax wada qeybsi niiko iyo hadalo badan oo kale. Inta kasakow wa shimbirioyoos heesa hees wanaagsan heesa.

Anigu beri baan Jehova witness muslimiyey wa waagan qurbaha ku cusba axad kasta slaan yar oo kniisad ka shaqeysa ayaa maalin walba buug yar keeni jirtay oo ku sahabsan Jacaylka nabi ciise iyo waxyaalo la mid ah , Maalin maalimha ka mid ah , anigu nin iska furfuran baan aha oo dadka ma fogeyoo ayaan yidhi bal maanta so gal oo shaah baan u shubay oo ka sheeke jacaylkaad sheegeysid wa sheekeysey wa sheekeysey markay dhamaysey bay tidhi hadaad qadaatid dhibka oo dhan wa ka tegeysa, Africa baad ka timi waad so qaxday maskaxda jacaylka ciise ku abuur. Markay dhameysey baan ku idhi anigu hada waan ku dhegeystey adiguna aniga i dhegeyso. waxan uga sheegeyey Naxariista ilaahay iyo abuuritaanka bin adanka oo ilaahay bina adanka naxariis ku abuuray , iyo inanu nin arladan maray anu marnaba ilaahay noqon karin, dhibaatada bina adanku wuxu uga bixi kara marku ilaaahay oo kaliya amino oo cidi u dhaxayn. Waxan oo kale uga sheekeyey in aan anigu Nabi Ciise amiinsanahay inu Nabiyada alleh ka mid yahay , sida kaliya aad jacaylka ilaahay u kasban karta wa adigu amina ilaah oo kaliya oo anay wixina la socon. Slaaanti yarayd marba suaal bay i weydisa ilaa an ku idhi hada wakhti badan ma hayo eeh Kitaab Quran af English ku Turjuman yahay baan siiyey iyo islamic basic Book about Ambiyadi. Slaanti yarayd Gurigeedi bay tagtay 2 weeg kabacdi bay igu so noqotay hada buug ma sidan oo ku sahabsan jacaylka ciise. Waxay i keentay tusbax ay hadyad igu keentey halki baan ashahaada ugu qabtay oo ay Ku Muslintay.

Well we know Ali galaydh never liked the Garowe clan enclave nor the politics of the Faroole or all the SSDF leaders. I honestly believe galaydh wanted to create a home grown entity for his clan in order for him to climb the ladder in Mogadishu that was his objective. But he miscalculated the larger Sahal community rejected his stance for getting the parliament speaker they considered it cad quudheed, and wanted either president or Prime Minister. Galaydh lost that one , but his goal was never to let his clan join Somaliland altogether and if they do, they need negotiate , even though close 85% of the garaad clan in land mass and politicians are already part of the Somaliland current government. I believe Khatumo will eventually merge with Somaliland it is just natural because Khatumo cannot become a state with 3 villages its not viable they are not serious how can they be serious when Garowe clan enclave minister visits Taleex. But i dont think the Professor is to blame for this the Professor wuxu rabay inu beesha cad weyn uso qaado oo Somalia dhex taalo, dabeedna khatumo ugu doodo. Tiba dhici weyday.

What did the professor do his objective was to get the Parliament seat , right now he has other stuff to worry about. I believe the professor really believed the Koonfurians would let him take the Parliament speaker. He miscalculated on that. I dont know what he will do next i dont think he is happy just being an MP in Somalia. He wanted some how to be the right hand man of Hassan sheikh. But hassan is in bed with damuljadiid and other groups and hassan didn't like galaydhs stance on the Jubbaland conflict.