Why not rip it just means nabad ku naso it has no religious attachment.

Nelson Mandela has died, South African President Jacob Zuma has confirmed. Mr Zuma said "the nation has lost its greatest son", adding "he is now resting. He is now at peace." He died peacefully, surrounded by his family, at his Johannesburg home at 8.50pm local time. Mr Mandela, who was 95, will get a state funeral and national flags will be lowered to half mast, said Mr Zuma. He had been receiving medical treatment for the last three years and for the last six months has been critically ill. He served as South Africa's first black president from 1994 to 1999, after spending 27 years in prison. Prime Minister David Cameron said: "A great light has gone out in the world. "Nelson Mandela was a hero of our time. I've asked for the flag at No10 to be flown at half mast."

Jacob Zuma just held a press conference RIP madiba Africa and the world will remember you

^^ That it self depends the way the 2 separate from each other in the eyes of the international community, if the separation goes smoothly with out any strings attached and mutual respect is restored than that can happen if the The official dejure separation happens with allot of emotions and with allot of dishonesty and the separations happens very unfriendly and in a hostile way than it will take decades. Before regional blocks are formed knowing Somalis on both sides, no one is going to concede an inch in the favor of the other. 23 years of dispute and counting should ring some bells. In an ideal world geedki berdaha inta la fadhisto ba la gar naqsan laha but thats impossible. I mean even countries who went their separate ways in a very friendly way Sudan and South sudan even though those 2 didnt exactly went their separate in a friendly way but they are still in conflict. A better example is Eritrea and Ethiopia. I think its an African thing the Somalia and Somaliland conflict is not an exception we can hope for the best, inu ilaah runta fahansiyo.

Aslong as she is happy and he is Muslim no problem, but her Kids cannot be Somalis they will be Turks

The Next Generation of Somalilanders, when we the oldies die they the next generation are the one that will help the nation forward. And they have no clue what Somalia is. Makes no sense to them to be ruled from a city so many KM south of them, whom they have little or no dealings with and all they know about them is the stories their elders told them. All born and bred in a Somaliland. [/img] Look at the crowd all born in the early 90s or late 80s.

You are not welcome in SL qofki ku yidhi u are welcome ba been ku sheegey saaxib. Meeshad joogtid iska joog.

lol airboodhka agteeda xero looga ooday thats not an embassy the current ambassador has still his office in Nairobi intact. Again you cannot provide the security of Foreign dignitaries. And thats what Sovereign nations do when they exchange embassies. Somalia remains all but Sovereign and there is no that can change that not even Abooto Elizabeth.

Ethiopia is not tolerant to other believers or else Muslims would be allowed to Build mosques in Axum , Ethiopia only has a few rich elites the rest of the population lives under severe poverty. Sorry but Xabashidu wa dad aad u liita.

Because you are not from Somaliland why would we allow you in Somaliland you are not from there , if u were from Somaliland u would not ask can i visit Somaliland or that u want to visit Somaliland you would consider it your home. Stay in your Somalia and if you are a Somali Kenyan stay in Kenya.

I have no problem if a region or a clan does not want to be part of Somaliland by the way stop mentioning clan names its against the golden rules but my argument is those who advocate to create such states shouldn't they create those states. Why is the Awdal state president from Toronto giving up his awdal state and want to Join Somaliland. Why is Karaash one of the 3 presidents of Khatumo why is he leaning towards Puntland if he wants a Khatumo state. Shouldnt Khatumo state be divided in 2 sub clan states? I dont believe there is hatred by the way in the whole Africa there are just different interests and desires and aspirations in the region. Nacayb waxa qaada uun qof aad u xanuunsanaya.

guleed_ali;989480 wrote: Whoa Xaji, how you gonna shut me out like dat! P.S: How would you know I'm not from Somaliland already You just said that u are not from Somaliland thats how i know

^^ If thats what they want than kuddos to them but dont you think they should be making those states, right now the Khatumo Faction consists of 2 sub factions one leaning towards Puntland karaash and the other one roaming between Somaliland and the Garowe clan enclave led by indhasheel dont you think There should be 2 khatumo states for the 2 khatumo sub clan states.

Guje;989478 wrote: I support somaliland but should we not go one better and create an independt Awdal-land, I-land, and Khatumo-land. seems only fair. Who is we and who should create those states shouldn't the people of those regions create those states themselves no one can create it for them.

The funny part is Malistar Mr sambaloshe could've met the Queen 22 years ago but because of your incompetency and constant wars and destruction and never ending wars, it took 22 years for a Somalia ambassador to Visit and present his credentials to the United Kingdom. This is nothing to brag about the UK after all made it all happen they organized conference after conference for you walk with the civilized world eventhough aad wali aad u socod xuntahay. They made sure the mandate ended in 2012 they helped you draft a constitution even though your kangaroo parliament still cant grasp the constitution that was drafted for them. And the sad part is the UK ambassador to Somalia spends more time in Nairobi you are not able to provide the security of Foreign dignitaries. Something Sovereign republics are expected to do when they have formal relations. Awal ba cidi kuma diidanayn inad safaraad London ka furatid adiga uun ba safaraadihi calaamku ku lahayeen Xamar dhulka la simay,

DoctorKenney;989455 wrote: My sister returned from Hargeisa and Berbera a few weeks ago, and the stories she told me really disappointed me, and I'm extremely disillusioned about this Somaliland issue now. She spoke with the regular people of Somaliland, and they almost unanimously want nothing to do with the rest of Somalia. They are really intent on having their own country that's separate from the rest of Somalia. And this is common from the politicians, to the young 20 year olds, to the little children, to the Sheikhs, to the businessmen. It's just awful. How are we going to unite as one nation when most of the 3 million people of Somaliland do not want to be a part of the Union? I personally want to see all of Somalia united.....all of it. But now, it really does look unrealistic to me. The people of the North don't want it. And 25 years of civil war really changed the mentality of the people in our country. And if Somaliland is a separate nation which allows Koonfurians to settle in and obtain citizenship, and vice-versa....then at least that would be a far better solution than what we're experiencing right now. I've met far too many "Somalilanders" who have this belief that Koonfurians should all be deported and mistreated, but then again, this might not reflect the opinions of all the people in that country. Radicals exist everywhere, and yes a Confederacy sounds like a worthy compromise This is the reality But Somalilanders would not mind to live side by side in peace with Somalia and the movement of people, the next generation of Somalilanders have no connection with Somalia at all. The only thing they know is that the koonfurians oppose their statehood , and that a brutal war was fought decades ago, and the only way for Somalia and Somaliland to get along is if they restore relations as separate states

Malistar is talking about beating Somaliland by meeting the Queen of England allow alleh ,While Alshabaab is beating him In Mogadishu Alshabaab raided last night Huriwa in Mogadishu. Today they carried out an attack in Bosaaso Ximan iyo Xeeb abducted Amisom weapons in the middle regions, bal wataase Boqorada ingriisku haku difaacdo

Kaluun;989448 wrote: Those who say all southerners should be deported are not genuine Durians. They are only saying that to get a reaction from you. Southerners will only be deported if they: 1) Openly do niiko in public places 2) Suicide bomb SL cities 3) Start importing Bantu kids If they don't violate those three rules for me they are okay. They can live and join the nation and take key positions. They already do. Cukuse is one of them and so are many major businesses. We do not discriminate against them but they must not corrupt our sacred culture. Cukuse father was a migrant to Somaliland in the early 60s Cukuse was begotten by an Afro hashimite woman and he was born and bred in Hargeisa and he traveled with his maternal uncles to Aware in the days of the SNM and joined the SNM as a teenager. He grew up in their midst and today he even adopted the lineage of his maternal uncles and is categorized as one.

Doctor i dont think the compromise as you put will be beneficial for both , thats more a win for Somalia, Somaliland gains nothing its already autonomous , the people of Somaliland have a fundamental issue with Somalia giving Something to Somaliland. The whole Somalia and Somaliland issue if you carefully listen to Somaliland politicians is that its one of equal footing, eventhough the international community doesn't recognize it as such but the equality is how we conceived the union even though it went one way. I would not mind the movement of people oo la is dhex galo and Somalilanders to obtain Somalia citizenship and koonfurians getting Somaliland citizenship. Ofcourse there are radicals in Somaliland who want to deport all koonfurians the same way there are koonfurians who want to bring back Somaliland forcefully to the union. An reasonable compromise the Europeans might suggest is a confederate state for a few years to give the union a chance and Somaliland to be given a UN supervised referendum in a few years time whether they want independence or Union with in those few years the koonfurians are given the chance to revive the union and hold rallies in Somaliland. I think that is very reasonable for both sides.and a fair compromise.

^^ Why are there no Mosques in Axum why cant Muslims Build a Mosque in Axum, the so called same city you try link the Saxabas with. Muslims are persecuted in Ethiopia this is a fact they hold demonstrations every now and than in addis ababa. Harar was an islamic city conquered by the Xabashiss in the 19 century. Its the same city Muslims waged Jihads against the Christian Xabashis

No Somaliland is not Puntland , Somaliland wants complete separation but i would not mind in the long term to economically integrate ofcourse based on mutual interest the same way East African nations are adopting a single passport and currency although this needs to be discussed deeply if we wish to go that way the key point beneficial for both countries. But i doubt the 2 can resolve their political dispute they have been going to Turkey the past 1.5 year and they haven't agreed on anything substantial thus far. It will eventually go to the Europeans to force us both to compromise on some key issues.

Ethiopia has rich elites but it has Millions of poor peasants nothing to be proud off, and stop associating the Noble Saxabas with Ethiopia a country that persecutes Muslims

^ i dont mind a decentralized state if it works for Somalia it should work for Somalia. But Somaliland cannot be part of it i would not mind sharing the same currency but before that the 2 Economies need to be integrated and i dont see that happening any time as soon , aslong as there is an dispute about the future relationship between the 2 countries. Business between Somalia and Somaliland is very limited, i doubt any one in Somaliland would accept its currency rates to be controlled from the Bakara market. Somalis and nomadic people and the Somali nomad will not allow some one else to herd his camels. Today independence works for Somaliland but the 2 can economically integrate in the future if there are agreements signed by the people of SL and Somalia.

It was called British Somaliland we remove the British and call it Somaliland makes sense to me , Somalia is called Somalia, former Italian Somalia Djibouti was called Djibouti Territoire français des Afars et des Issas, and Somaliland is called Somaliland. And then there is NFD northern frontier district or kenya's north eastern province., and than there is the Somali Kilil under Xabashi Bondage. Somaliland is not going to drop the Somali name ,for the Koonfurans Somali is part of the heritage and culture of the people of Somaliland. Somali makes sense in Somaliland 100% of the people of Somaliland are of pure ethnic Somali stock with Somali as the native language , in Somalia more than 25% of Somali population are assimilated Somalis. In Djibouti half of the population are of an Afar ethnic group. The Somaliland name makes sense in Somaliland. i am not necessarily against pan Somalism aslong as its done in the vision of the people of Somaliland separate nation states,and unity in the same form of the Europeans The Somalis in Somaliland and the Somalis in Djibouti and the Somalis in Kenya and the Somalis under Xabashis can all cooperate based on equality justice and partnership in maybe 50 years time. But the old days of Somaliland is part of Somalia and a union based on qiiro japan and hatred and jealousy and pseudo nationalism is not going to work.