Originally posted by BiLaaL: quote:Originally posted by NGONGE: [QB] BiLal, Civilians did die in this latest conflict. Most did so at the hands of Hamas fighters. Whats you're definition of a civilian? At least in Gaza, Hamas were battling Fatah's security forces. At what stage does a gun-wielding Fatah fighter become a civilian? Your notion that Abbas stopped his security forces from fighting back in Gaza is totally flawed. Fatah's Western-armed but poorly trained fighters were completely routed by Hamas fighters. Serious analysts are in agreement with regards to this point. There's more to the story as Northerner's post indicates. This is a breaking story so don't draw any hasty conclusions just yet. P.S. I'd caution you against greeting other people's posts with a concert of abuse. The ignorance slur was totally uncalled for. If you have a point to contend then do so but without resorting to slurs. I ask you again if you have been following the news! As this drama unfolded, various Fattah members gave interviews criticising the president for being slow in moving against Hamas or ordering his Fattah fighters to fight back. These are FACTS. Look them up! As for calling people ignorant. Hmm! If you saw a man that can't make use of his eyes, would you call him blind? How about one that has ears but can't hear? Deaf? One that walks with a limp? Cripple? Well, Peacenow displays clear signs of ignorance. This is not an uncalled for personal attack, this is an attack on his views (if one could call them that). His revelation that Arafat had AIDS is not worth contending with. I called it as I saw it, ignorant! And I shall keep calling such nonsense ignorant until these kids either improve their arguments or not bother to post at all (both options are satisfactory to me). But, you are right; we should not jump the gun. This remains to be a breaking story and there are so many twists and turns to come before we reach the end. However, and here I would like to beckon Castro closer, I don't think the eventual outcome will be a total breakdown in communication between Fattah and Hamas. I remember when Arafat was accused of being a traitor. The man who dedicated his entire life to the cause and did not (to any seeing eyes at least) seem to have any material/worldly gains from it (despite what the Israeli propaganda said). A man that died whilst surrounded and locked up in his own presidential compound. Yet, neither Hamas, Islamic Jihad nor any other Palestinian group had a single bad word to say about him! Sure, they criticised elements within his Fattah party but no dirty slurs were ever (officially) thrown his way. Today, we have the same thing again with Abu Mazen! I'm not saying that we might not discover that he is indeed a traitor and a turncoat, however, today, the Hamas leadership are not calling him that. It's not as if Hamas has ever been backwards about coming forward with an accusation or two when they thought the target merited such accusations! So, why are they picking on Mohamed Dahlan and others but not on Abu Mazen (directly and explicitly)? Those that oppose the Somali president or the Afghani president don't usually hold back. They call a spade a spade (as one much missed Nomad used to say). The Palestinians (Hamas) on the other hand are holding back! They still refer to Abu Mazen as MR PRESIDENT, not traitor, not mercenary, not pimp or a sell-out. They still call him president! I don't even think the discussion here has really started. I'm just annoyed by your readiness to break it into sides and choosing a righteous side without having the complete facts. It's clearly possible that both Hamas and Fattah contain elements that are interested in power, control and disunity rather than the real and serious goal of fighting the occupation. It's more than certain that both sides have made mistakes and are going to make more mistakes. But, it is also definite (as the title of this thread suggests) that these two groups have no choice but to WORK with each other. Something I believe they will.

Good read. Easy on the obsession with white this and white that though. The sense of adventure is a personal preference rather than being something colour specific. Of course, I accept that you're employing your poetic licence there and have no other subtle agendas. Still, I can't help thinking the waxa la yedhi crew might be swayed by the unintentional message.

^^ Not sure that comparing him to the other two men is that fair. The man's history speaks for itself. Are you saying he's a turncoat now? BiLal, Civilians did die in this latest conflict. Most did so at the hands of Hamas fighters. Do you actually follow the news at all? Most of Abbas's closest followers were angry with him for not giving the order to fight back! This information is in the public domain and any sane man can make up his own mind once he looks at it. Don't be as ignorant as Mr Peacenow and start making up your own stories, saaxib. Such ignorance is quite dull.

A 100 pages of rubbish

To compare Hamas to Hezbollah is very laughable. There is a huge difference between the nincompoops of Hamas and the clear thinking/planning of Hezbollah (even though both are considered terrorist organisations). At least Hezbollah never turned its guns on its own people, in spite of major provocations. As for the conflict in that part of the world, I think it will carry on for a while to come.

To compare Hamas to Hezbollah is very laughable. There is a huge difference between the nincompoops of Hamas and the clear thinking/planning of Hezbollah (even though both are considered terrorist organisations). At least Hezbollah never turned its guns on its own people, in spite of major provocations. As for the conflict in that part of the world, I think it will carry on for a while to come.

^^ You don't know how Casinos in Eygpt work, do you? Edit: I might as well tell you. Egyptian citizens are not allowed to use these Casinos. Only foreigners and tourists are. So the man knew what he was talking about when he said that the restaurant would have to go through some modifications if it wanted to open in Dubai. Just like Casinos are not open for all in Egypt, he believes that Hooters will have to cover-up its waitresses a little.

I think Zafir, P and JB will agree with me when I say that the best ever Indian film was the classic, amazing, great: AMAR, AKBAR, ANTHONY! Xan, Here is an Indian song from that film that even YOU would understand: My name is Anthony Gonzales

^^ Were you ever a Dharminder fan? I bet I know a few on this site who were

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: i think i should congratulate you, Northern, and some other for your upcoming marriage ,,,, may be in 10yrs ,, no ?? Don't bother with Northerner. He's what's usually known in qaat circles as baarixi

Stay at home or don't stay at home. If your child is destined to be a mass murderer or thief none of this will matter one jot. But, still, these little problems are something to fill our minds and while the time away I suppose.

Xan, What's my somali got to do with anything here? (It is still much better than yours by the way). Anyway, I was defending you there you paranoid woman.

^^^ War leave her alone

Originally posted by P: Speaking of the 90s movies and music let's not forget bollywood...anyone remember I am a disco dancer and Jimmy jimmy adjah adjah ajari meri jaa and finally Pyar Hota Hai Deewana Sanam You are so old that you're practically senile, my dear. All these were 80s films (mid 80s to be exact). Here is another one from your time, grandma Tera naam liya North, Ya get me, blud

All these are the problems of the privileged, Ms DD Are you thinking of becoming a housewife?

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: have you ever heard of that bread they used to call it AABAHAA DABADA KA GELI ??? I just saw the post above

Originally posted by Urban: quote:Originally posted by NGONGE: Another great man who walked barefoot through the streets of great old Ghaafiyaa! But did you make it all the way to Om Khanoor I wonder No way.. Can the theory of six degrees of separation be applied here? I'm sure you're familiar with Neceemiya floods as well, but never mind Om khannur, Goum Sibiilow was the danger area. I remember this 'war' we had with them.. water baloons A true Sharjawi in our midst I recently went back (after 15 years absence) and easily found my way around all those areas. The guy that was driving was from Abu Dhabi and had to rely on my expert knowledge. I was heartened to see that the walls of my beloved Naadi el sha3ab had finally got a lick of paint. Aaah! Those were the days. I still remember watching a football game there when the call for prayer from the nearest mosque started to blurt out. All the fans stopped singing. The whole place went quite for a few minutes afterwards. Then suddenly, the drummers started drumming and the all the fans started singing in unison: seleet, ma 9aleet, ya rabbi tooba (I forgot, I didn’t pray, may Allah forgive me).

Ms DD, The song was by Kool & The Gang. I think it was covered by many other groups. North, Six Million Dollar man? Dallas? Eight Is Enough? A Team? Falcon Crest? Big John, Little John? Waltons? Mananimal? Chips? The Cosby Show? T J Hooker? LA Law? Doogie Howser? Cheers? Airwolf? The Equliser (remember that Jag?) Magnum? ps I know nothing about afternoon shows. I was hardly ever home. pps I don't expect Northerner to remember all of these. Not because he's young but becuase they never had good TV reception oop north

^^ In other words, FAKE You said it, not me.

^^ Ouch, my hernia is gone

^^^ Still, if you say there aren't that many, does that mean all the ICU mullahs and their supporters were fakes?

Originally posted by Urban: Since this is turning into a 90s songs thread.. why not.. di-di di-di di-di di-di hzine-di ouahh.. Now that^, was a 90s classic! Brings so many memories from little old Ghaafiyya I also remember the old rivalry between Al Shacb and Al Wasl football clubs, Northy, how are they both doing now? Another great man who walked barefoot through the streets of great old Ghaafiyaa! But did you make it all the way to Om Khanoor I wonder ps Anyone find out who killed Laura?

Heh. Not looking for a fight. What I'm trying to do here is to show you how futile this discussion is. You are talking out of your own observations and perceptions. Could it be possible that when you're in the West you mix with religious people (for obvious reasons) and that when you're home you mix with ALL sorts of people? North, No. There is no such argument. It's not a healthy argument. It's divisive and relies too much on my pet-hate: waxa la yedhi! JB Once you've seen one Somali, you've seen them all.

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: Yes ,, they practice less i tell ya Mosques are everywhere, Maktabah's are every corner, Sheikhs are full and Kutubs are everywhere but ppl practise Islam less ,,,,,, It is only those who came from the west who cry and excited when they hear the Athan and prayers ,,,, Ms DD, Xan and North JB is there right now and he's given some facts and some opinions in his quote above. Could you guess which is which? Come on, give it a try Ok. Sarcasm aside, can you PROVE to me that Islam is stronger in the West? Ps I’m not picking a fight with you, just trying to make this thread a bit juicier. PPs I don't have to visit Somalia to know that some Somalis aren't that religious. In the same way that I don't have to go there to find out that most are primitave

Originally posted by peacenow: When will people start to realise that the enemy are Arabs and we must counter them.