Now that's what I call an entry, Englishboy Welcome aboard. Now that you got our attention you'll need to up the tempo with your second post. ps You even got Sheh out of her summer hibernation! Quite a feat, my son, quite a feat.

Oodweyne, At the risk of disrupting your duel with Duke here or seeming to be on his side, I can't help but wonder at the wisdom behind refusing to allow TFG passport carriers from entering Somaliland! I'm sure you're fully aware that many people hailing from Somaliland but live in various Arab countries are forced (for lack of an alternative) to use the TFG passport. How then does the Somaliland administration propose to deal with such people if (as you say) it refuses entry to any TFG document carriers into Somaliland?

^^ They're normal people, just football fans. You said you don't see them in weddings and parties and I told you where most of them are to be found in normal week days. Far be it for me to imply that a fair maiden is LOOKING lol@Ghanima. Northerner loves that little place. I've actually been to the 2nd floor once (Wonder how you know about all that). Ms D&D, You have no leg to stand on there, dear. The poor man has to suffer your annoying uunsi, countles bottles of expensive perfume, gold hording and non-ending xafash that you fill the house with; what's 90 minutes of football when compared to all of that? :mad:

^^ Never

^^^ Plus she's looking in the wrong places. What man over the age of 24 goes to weddings (other than someone getting married of course)? NB, you need to start strolling as close as possible near your local maqaaxi, m'dear. The days to catch the thousands of normal men (in the age brackets you desire) are Tuesdays and Wedensdays between the hours of 7.45 and 10.30 PM.

^^^ You're too late: Culturally-sensitive comedy Comedy in the Middle East can be done, but consideration must be given to cultural and religious sensitivities, according to British comedian Jim Davidson. Davidson, director of the Dubai Comedy Festival, says the region's entertainment industry is growing, but corporate support remains critical. Source

The Generation Game.

You lied North, you lied.

^^^ It eats fish, silly! What if it eats humans?

^^^ Yes but the UAE is not Khayr's or Ms DDs idea of an ideal Islamic utopia. I was asking about those types of limits and not the ones imposed by the Dubai police. Ps Jim Davidson permanently resides in the UAE now. Jim Davidson!

Originally posted by rudy: ladies! u wanna test drive Rudy's car!! You're wasted on this place, saaxib. Truly wasted.

This ugly thing slithers around less than fifty miles from where I live! I'm packing my bags.

^^ What limits?

Originally posted by Tahliil: ......The public slaughter of those kids while they were in the custody of their peers, as horrible as it is, is understandable but what seems to be ten times horrifying is to just see us dwelling on the semantic of a word here and a word there....pretentious, pompous, rootless words… What utter tosh! Still, the rest of your post (though you don't even realise it, owing to your uncontrollable grief) more or less agrees with the majority view on this topic. Let me say it in non 'pompous' words: we need 2 see pics 2 know how bad tings R! There it is in what is usually called a nutshell.

Originally posted by Jimcaale: Faahiyoow, wait until Oodweyne comes with 4 page essay and Somaliland and UK highlighted sixteen times. Credit where credit is due, saaxib. He puts his heart and soul into those posts and one can only sit back and admire the dedication, if not always the message.

Originally posted by Valenteenah: Red Sea, that scenario doesn't sound like a simple test to me, so I will pass, thanks. :rolleyes: That was one hell of a test he offered you there! It stopped me in my tracks and I really could not continue reading the rest of the thread. I tell you, this Nomad either can't express himself that well or is just naturally obtuse. Edit: Now that I read the rest of the thread I can see where Red Sea is coming from. Still, I fully disagree of course. But he does have a valid opinion and it's natural that he would air it. Having said that, it's neither the time nor the place for his sort of opinion and certainly not in the clumsy way he attempted it. It's akin to a group of people witnessing a man blow his own head off and whilst everyone is in shock at the act (not to mention wiping the bits of the corpse off their own bodies) someone jumps in with a philosophical argument about the morality of suicide! Rape, Red Sea, is a very serious matter. It's one where able-bodied males like yourself (assuming you're able-bodied) force themselves on someone weaker than they are and proceeding to humiliate that person. In fact, even if the said lady was a prostitute that refused to have sex with him because he couldn't afford the fare; for him to proceed to force himself on her would still be considered rape. Yes, she may put herself in harm's way but that, still, in no way exonerates the person inflicting the harm on her. The problem with your argument is that in highlighting the faults of the woman it (unwittingly I hope) downplays the enormity of rape. Can you at all see how you're coming across? ps Since when has Johnny become a masixi? He himself will tell you that this is an insult to those that follow that faith.

Ghanima and J.Baro are not mature. I like your writing style, it's as if you're typing the lyrics of a song. Musical name too, Naomi B. Welcome and I shall leave you in hands of these two below.

Originally posted by Khalaf: ^^^ . People are really amazing. NG, thank you awoowe for asking what went through my mind instead of "assuming" gotta love it. but i suspose education and reer magalnimo gives that quality to people. Anyhow NGONGE, this is war zone and the world is messed up, yeah bad things happen people i have no power over it, wish i did. but what we do have power over is respecting the dead, and not parading their bodies on websites waayo they have families, to say somali "journalism" is unethcial is an understatement. I am really unsure of how to handle you, saaxib. My ultimate aim here is to try to make you see why your contentions are negligible when compared to the actual benefits seeing that picture may produce. But, like I said, I'm at a loss as to how to proceed! You're a bit like a wet sponge you see. I'm more than certain that you will sensibly soak up all the rational argument I'll put forward to you but at the same time I'm also painfully aware that, like a sponge, a little force at the wrong angle and you'll let it pass through you as quickly as you let it in! Be that as it may, I'll do my best to give you a watertight argument or, to use your own words, an education of a sort. In your last post you made the assertion that Somalia (or rather the Somali capital) is a war zone. The easy question that springs to mind here is: How do you know that it is a war zone? Are you relying on those 'unethical' journalists to tell you that it is so or did you hear it from a relative living in the midst of that chaos? Still, is it in an abstract war? You know, like one of those that MMA portrays (where the capital is all green and the buildings are all as shiny as the day he last saw them)? Or is it a real bloody war? How do YOU know? In fact, and at the scandalous risk of bleeding the sponge, I would like you to prove that such a war exists in Somalia. Of course, I am hoping that you will not present me with any written news reports for as you already stated above, Somali journalists are unethical! I want you to make me believe that there is some kind of war taking place in Somalia today. Now, I don't trust the journalists (since you opened my mind to their devious tricks and manners), I don't trust you (because I don't know you) and I don't trust popular views (since popular opinions are usually unverified). So, what am I supposed to do? Have a leap of faith and go with the herd? But what if it all turns out to be a big lie and that right this minute: Sheikh Aweys is playing a game of chess with Mr Yusuf in Villa Somalia, whilst Sheikh Shareef is playing double dutch with Mr Geedi! Are you getting my drift or should I go on a little more? In the past, wars were reported by poets! The people found out about the death of such and such a person, the attack, retreat, valour, cowardice and defeat or victory from the mouths of able poets. It was they that drew the pictures. They that reported the exact details and described the battles! Read Lord Tennyson's Charge Of The Light Brigade (you can Google it. You should). Or better still, try Wilfred Owen's famous poem Dulce Et Decorum Est. (in fact, I dedicate this one to Nomad ME). Later, and alongside the poets, artists and painters joined in with the reporting of wars. There are countless paintings of numerous wars in libraries, homes and galleries all over the world. The war for us was abstract, unreal and something that's taking place far away from our comfortable homes. However, we finally got photographic images and video and the idea of war started to totally change! We began to see real, evocative and memorable pictures of the holocaust victims, Hiroshima and Nagasaki fatalities, Vietnam War, Iraq war, the Tsunami and more recently the war between the TFG and ICU! Most of these were dreadful images that shocked our senses and got us to appreciate the gravity of each of those situations. Having said that let me emphasise that my argument is not one that calls for the acceptance of all kinds of images. I'm only arguing here for those images that add, complement and enhance a story. Gratuitous imagery is not what I'm advocating! When I heard about a famine in southern Somalia in the early 90s I wondered about the names of the towns and was not duly alarmed but when I saw images of people so thin that their bodies resembled apples on cocktail sticks I was suitably moved into wanting to do something for these people! Can't really remember if I did or didn't, it was a long time ago after all. Now, had everyone that saw those images followed your line of thinking and started worrying about the dignity of the victims and the feelings of their families then the pictures would have not been broadcast and the story would not have reached indifferent oafs like yours truly (not with the same impact at any rate). News by its nature is ugly, brutal and extreme. It respects neither families nor traditions! For one to be in possession of the whole facts one has to see it all. How the news mediums use images is a different story altogether. Any rational grown up could easily deduce that these pictures are real. If after that they wish to fall for the spin the broadcaster puts on the story, that would really be their choice. But the images really speak for themselves. In another thread Juje posted an image of Mohammad Dhere standing over a corpse! Juje could have spent hours writing about Mohammad Dhere's evilness. He could Duke-like flood us with threads as a reminder of the evilness of Mohammad Dhere. Instead, he posted a tiny picture with a short commentary and now I (whilst not known for my emotional reactions) am fully convinced of Mohammad Dhere's evilness. Well, this is it for this part. I trust I was gentle enough and, short of a drip here and a drop there, you soaked up the point I'm making. If not, be sure to let me know. Maybe we'll need to rinse some rotting residue first.

Originally posted by Khalaf: This site doesnt allow pictures of dead bodies, remove it or it will be removed for you. Somali "journalism"= unethical. Unethical? Is that all that crossed your mind as you looked at those photos? ps As for the site not allowing pictures! Fair enough but it does come across as a confused policy. It's like the BBC reporting on the news of dead bodies yet telling their audience to go and look them up in a rival news source's website! But I'm not surprised to be honest. That's the least of the problems this politics section has...

Did they really keep the body in the same place for 24 hours before the 'tallman' came and inspected it? Any chance of the full story, Juje. ps You don't have to spin it at all. If you confirm the 24 hour story I think the pictures do the rest.

^^^ Did it in three When the silly question of how long do I need to know him/her raises its ugly head it most probably means that he/she are not right for you! The questions you should really be asking yourself at this juncture should be: Will he like my hair done in this new style? Should I do my fingernails or leave them natural? How long can I hold back before I call him again? Should I text him again even though I just did two seconds ago? What is he doing right this minute? Does he love me as much as I love him? Does he realise I'm head over heels into him? Of course in the case of men the questions he'll be asking himself are all probably x-rated. Still, all are silly questions and are infinitely much more interesting than the how long do I need to know him or her variety.

Might not be to everyone's taste but I suspect it may be to yours, MC.

Ah! Yet another very constructive discussion about Somaliland!

Here is a quick reply, ayaayo From The TimesAugust 24, 2007 Sex? No, I’ ll go for the double bed plus cat Celia Brayfield: Thunderer Ever since they invented Viagra I’ve lived in dread of a survey like the new University of Chicago study which found that half its respondents over the age of 65 are having regular sex. The most tedious aspect of being a baby boomer is the persecution by raddled eroto-Nazis hell-bent on imposing the dogma that sex is the most important thing in life. They seek to compel everyone to be shagging forever in an endless summer of love. Already, every glossy magazine targeting women over 35 assumes its readers want to be as fruity and fabulous as Dame Helen Mirren. And now, dammit, they’ve got statistics on their side. Sex seems like the most important thing in life only when there’s a raging tempest in your endocrine system. When Hurricane Eros is over, you should be permitted to enjoy other pastimes, like running a country, reversing global warming or babysitting your grandchildren. Did you notice that the French writer Corinne Maier included “they will kill your desire” among her 20 reasons not to have children? Allo? Excusez-moi? Traditionally, making babies is the point of desire. Should you then choose to move on, no silly French tart has any right to sneer at you for doing what comes naturally. The first good-looking puer eternus in my life once said that when he was grown-up he’d like to be grown-up, please. Good thought. Now I’ve been there, done that, ripped off some damn fine T-shirts and I’ve bloody well earned the deep peace of a single-occupancy double bed plus a nice cat. Instead, I find myself harangued by overage rock-chick mates in cheesewire thongs who still start every phone conversation with: “So have you met anyone?” “Hey,” I say, hoping to change the subject, “why don’t we check out the Intelligence Squared debate on globalisation?” “I don’t know,” comes the answer, “will there be any men there?” One of this crew is in love for the very first time at the age of 50-plus. She witters like Cathy over Heathcliff and spends a fortune at Agent Provocateur. Sweethearts, it’s not a good look. Boy-craziness in the bus-pass years is a staggering waste of time. Unseemly. Embarrassing. Expensive, with implications for PEPs, SIPPs and cohabitee’s property rights. And nothing like as big a thrill as curling up on the sofa with a great new novel. I love sex; the young and beautiful, drifting about on pink clouds of passion are as adorable as three-year-olds making daisy chains. If I choose to pass on the passion myself, I’d like some respect for that decision. I don’t want a belly-button piercing and I don’t want to wave my arms in the air at Glastonbury. I want all the natural benefits of graduating to size16 jeans, especially the ability to walk past a building site and hear nothing but pneumatic drills. So will the University of Chicago please get off my case? Source Edited to make it more readable.