NGONGE

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  1. NGONGE

    29th Feb

    Any of you harridans plan to propose to random strangers tonight (or at least those you like)? I of course am still off limits this year. You may try again in four years time.
  2. ^^ All you seem to do is eat or sleep, woman! If you go back over this thread I bet you'll find at least twenty posts of yours about eitehr of these two things. FIX UP. Ibti, You're lucky that CL is a bit slow or she would have really given you what for after reading that last post of yours.
  3. ^^ Keep your shades on, saaxib. It was a simple question. See the question mark at the end?
  4. ^^ No I did not. This is the first time I've ever posted it on here.
  5. Originally posted by Ibtisam: The cleaners even use to get me cards and presents for Christmas. I spoke more to them than some of my collogues. They always have interest stories about third world countries. Oh the irony!
  6. Ibti, Off topic but you may enjoy this: Dear Sir, I cannot do as you wish. I am unable to overcome my aversion to burdening the public with my name, and even the present critical time does not seem to me to warrant it. Whoever wants to influence the masses must give them something rousing and inflammatory and my sober judgement of Zionism does not permit this. I certainly sympathise with its goals, am proud of our University in Jerusalem and am delighted with our settlement's prosperity. But, on the other hand, I do not think that Palestine could ever become a Jewish state, nor that the Christian and Islamic worlds would ever be prepared to have their holy places under Jewish care. It would have seemed more sensible to me to establish a Jewish homeland on a less historically-burdened land. But I know that such a rational viewpoint would never have gained the enthusiasm of the masses and the financial support of the wealthy. I concede with sorrow that the baseless fanaticism of our people is in part to be blamed for the awakening of Arab distrust. I can raise no sympathy at all for the misdirected piety which transforms a piece of a Herodian wall into a national relic, thereby offending the feelings of the natives. Now judge for yourself whether I, with such a critical point of view, am the right person to come forward as the solace of a people deluded by unjustified hope. Your obediant servant, Freud Source
  7. ^^ Of course our CL here is a special case and should not be mistaken for your normal, every day girls. I have a strong suspicion that this lady even scowls at her own reflection when looking at a mirror.
  8. ^^ He should mind his own and she hers. Muslim, Hindu or Jew he still remains a stranger to her and she should not really worry herself about his opinions. Should he feel he has a right to air those opinions she should use the CL method of dealing with him.
  9. Do you think she spent the night in the office?
  10. ^^It's the way you tell it. If he has access to the computer, he can't be in Mars. But the way you told it makes it sound as if there are two computers, one on Mars and one on Earth! At any rate, it sounds like a photocopy.
  11. CL, You raving lunatic. Why ask if the man on earth is the same when there are two in Mars?
  12. ^^ Speak sense, woman. Or at least rephrase your question!
  13. Originally posted by AAliyah416: ^^^I was referring to black girls mainly Jamaicans. I guess somalis are black bt most of us are lighter. You should introduce your black sisters to the secret that makes you all 'lighter', m'dear
  14. ^^ I'm surprised she KNOWS four people to start with.
  15. I try not to depress myself with such cynical thoughts. The sun'll come out tomorrow bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow they'll be sun just thinking about tomorrow cleares away the cobwebs and the sorow 'till their none when i'm stuck with a day that's gray and lonely i just think of my chin and grin and say oh the sun'll come out tomorrow so you gotta hang until tomorrow come what may tomorrow tomorrow i love ya tomorrow your always a day away when i'm stuck with a day that's gray and lonely i just think of my chin and grin and say oh the sun'll come out tomorrow so you gotta hang until tomorrow come what may tomorrow tomorrow i love ya tomorrow your always a day away tomorrow tomorrow i love ya tomorrow your always a day away
  16. ^^ Says the pensioner being outpaced by the days and months.
  17. ^^^ This is Turkey we're talking about here. People perceive it in many different ways and have different ideas of what modern Turkey is but, usually, they're all mostly wrong. I believe this idea will amount to nothing more than an academic study that won't have much influence on the Turkish nation. Remember, the conservative Turks hardly trust the Universities (the hijab was banned in academic circles until as recent a time as last week) or the government. On the other hand, the secularists do not care for faith to start with and this new development means nothing to them.
  18. By Robert Piggott Religious affairs correspondent, BBC News Turkey is preparing to publish a document that represents a revolutionary reinterpretation of Islam - and a controversial and radical modernisation of the religion. The country's powerful Department of Religious Affairs has commissioned a team of theologians at Ankara University to carry out a fundamental revision of the Hadith, the second most sacred text in Islam after the Koran. The Hadith is a collection of thousands of sayings reputed to come from the Prophet Muhammad. As such, it is the principal guide for Muslims in interpreting the Koran and the source of the vast majority of Islamic law, or Sharia. But the Turkish state has come to see the Hadith as having an often negative influence on a society it is in a hurry to modernise, and believes it responsible for obscuring the original values of Islam. It says that a significant number of the sayings were never uttered by Muhammad, and even some that were need now to be reinterpreted. 'Reformation' Commentators say the very theology of Islam is being reinterpreted in order to effect a radical renewal of the religion. Its supporters say the spirit of logic and reason inherent in Islam at its foundation 1,400 years ago are being rediscovered. Some believe it could represent the beginning of a reformation in the religion. Turkish officials have been reticent about the revision of the Hadith until now, aware of the controversy it is likely to cause among traditionalist Muslims, but they have spoken to the BBC about the project, and their ambitious aims for it. The forensic examination of the Hadiths has taken place in Ankara University's School of Theology. An adviser to the project, Felix Koerner, says some of the sayings - also known individually as "hadiths" - can be shown to have been invented hundreds of years after the Prophet Muhammad died, to serve the purposes of contemporary society. "Unfortunately you can even justify through alleged hadiths, the Muslim - or pseudo-Muslim - practice of female genital mutilation," he says. "You can find messages which say 'that is what the Prophet ordered us to do'. But you can show historically how they came into being, as influences from other cultures, that were then projected onto Islamic tradition." The argument is that Islamic tradition has been gradually hijacked by various - often conservative - cultures, seeking to use the religion for various forms of social control. Leaders of the Hadith project say successive generations have embellished the text, attributing their political aims to the Prophet Muhammad himself. Revolutionary Turkey is intent on sweeping away that "cultural baggage" and returning to a form of Islam it claims accords with its original values and those of the Prophet. But this is where the revolutionary nature of the work becomes apparent. Even some sayings accepted as being genuinely spoken by Muhammad have been altered and reinterpreted. Prof Mehmet Gormez, a senior official in the Department of Religious Affairs and an expert on the Hadith, gives a telling example. "There are some messages that ban women from travelling for three days or more without their husband's permission and they are genuine. "But this isn't a religious ban. It came about because in the Prophet's time it simply wasn't safe for a woman to travel alone like that. But as time has passed, people have made permanent what was only supposed to be a temporary ban for safety reasons." The project justifies such bold interference in the 1,400-year-old content of the Hadith by rigorous academic research. Prof Gormez points out that in another speech, the Prophet said "he longed for the day when a woman might travel long distances alone". So, he argues, it is clear what the Prophet's goal was. Original spirit Yet, until now, the ban has remained in the text, and helps to restrict the free movement of some Muslim women to this day. As part of its aggressive programme of renewal, Turkey has given theological training to 450 women, and appointed them as senior imams called "vaizes". They have been given the task of explaining the original spirit of Islam to remote communities in Turkey's vast interior. One of the women, Hulya Koc, looked out over a sea of headscarves at a town meeting in central Turkey and told the women of the equality, justice and human rights guaranteed by an accurate interpretation of the Koran - one guided and confirmed by the revised Hadith. She says that, at the moment, Islam is being widely used to justify the violent suppression of women. "There are honour killings," she explains. "We hear that some women are being killed when they marry the wrong person or run away with someone they love. "There's also violence against women within families, including sexual harassment by uncles and others. This does not exist in Islam... we have to explain that to them." 'New Islam' According to Fadi Hakura, an expert on Turkey from Chatham House in London, Turkey is doing nothing less than recreating Islam - changing it from a religion whose rules must be obeyed, to one designed to serve the needs of people in a modern secular democracy. He says that to achieve it, the state is fashioning a new Islam. "This is kind of akin to the Christian Reformation," he says. "Not exactly the same, but if you think, it's changing the theological foundations of [the] religion. " Fadi Hakura believes that until now secularist Turkey has been intent on creating a new politics for Islam. Now, he says, "they are trying to fashion a new Islam." Significantly, the "Ankara School" of theologians working on the new Hadith have been using Western critical techniques and philosophy. They have also taken an even bolder step - rejecting a long-established rule of Muslim scholars that later (and often more conservative) texts override earlier ones. "You have to see them as a whole," says Fadi Hakura. "You can't say, for example, that the verses of violence override the verses of peace. This is used a lot in the Middle East, this kind of ideology. "I cannot impress enough how fundamental [this change] is." Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/europe/7264903.stm Published: 2008/02/26 14:43:58 GMT © BBC MMVIII
  19. ^^ Mase? Is that the annoying boy that sings with P Diddy? I am too old for most of this stuff, saaxib. I was more into Big Daddy Kane, PE, KRS1, etc...
  20. ^^ The viewers? Oh! Silly me. This is another of your conspiracy theories, right?
  21. ^^ You could have waited until North replied. I said you wanna be startin' somethin' You got to be startin' somethin' I said you wanna be startin' somethin' You got to be startin' somethin' It's too high to get over (yeah, yeah) Too low to get under (yeah, yeah) You're stuck in the middle (yeah, yeah) And the pain is thunder (yeah, yeah) It's too high to get over (yeah, yeah) Too low to get under (yeah, yeah) You're stuck in the middle (yeah, yeah) And the pain is thunder (yeah, yeah)
  22. ^^ Try it and see if I'm lying. I think it's called Pain Displacement/Transference....