^^ What, to listen to the same song over and over again?

^^ That's different though. They're already in the relationship and they're being pressured by others to stay in it. But did they marry the cousin becuase he is their cousin or just becuase they liked him/her? Labada kala sar. P.S. No comment on the wink.

Originally posted by Malika: Ngonge and his self convincing!...dismissing that it happens is rather naive of you. Better go do real work..lol I can't see it happening, Malika. Not unless it's an arranged sort of marriage.

Ibti, do PM's you're getting happen to be mostly from men? Ever since A&T disappeared I don't get any PMs anymore. I wish someone would send me one of those so that I can pass the day having a qabiil related intellectual mud slinging sessions.

^^ How many people actually marry on the basis of qabiil though? I mean do you get a girl or guy who sit there and think to themselves "I am going to marry Abdi/Aasha not becuase they are pretty, rich or have a good deen and not because I like them but becuase they hail from noble Burco" You people are thick.

Originally posted by Norfsky: Funny how these articles come out of nowhere when someone nearly blows up a plane! Everyone becomes an expert on Yemen overnight. The author may be gay, secular and down right mercenary but he is Yemeni and is probably more of an expert than you or me. Having said that, he's not really telling us much. I mean, is he saying those sisters of his are likely to blow up planes or something? P.S. Loved LG's tips on how to read articles. Like someone selling you a dodgy house, she walks you away from the damp walls, the leaking roof and creaky floor and, instead, she walks you to the back garden (that is already full of rubbish) to show you a nice and blue sky.

Originally posted by Malika: Help me out here, Ayoub..Dookh to my understanding refers to ones taste[height,weight or personality etc],now how is discrimination of a whole people ones taste? Especially if the discrimination was based on,a mentality one is superior then the other. Ngonge,stuff and nonsense. Islam respects a human being for being a human being not for any other reason,it does not distinguish between two races,or two groups of people.. So what are you saying here, Malika? That I am telling lies or that those scholars are wrong? Or that you do not agree with their position and rather choose to follow Imam Malik?

^^ According to the listed scholars it is about the actual qabiil. They, of course, say that the deen comes first but they give a list of conditions and one of those is the equality of nasab. However, this does not mean that they forbid marriages that do not follow this rule. All they basically say is that you can refuse someone on the basis of their nasab.

Originally posted by 2+2=5: Hey thanks to this thread, I now realize why Somalia is in the state it is. Because of people like Ngonge et al who claim to be modern and civilized but are in reality narrow-minded and deeply, deeply qabiil driven. Hypocrites! You are no better than oday yaasha oo dalka laayeen. Let it all out, dear. Somalia is in the state it is because of people like you, not me. Never me.

Originally posted by Rahima: In threads like this you learn a lot about people;) Qabiil (or its pseudonym region) has never been an issue for me, hence why my husband and I are as different as they come. What matters is how strongly they value their qabiil and/or dhaqan- too strongly and a no no. NGONGE, you've got to be kidding right? Are you actually trying to argue that Islam allows for discrimination based on qabiil? It's not me who is making the argument. Blessed said it was xaram and I informed her that In the Hanafi, Shafici and Xanbali madhabs they consider the principle of Kafah (equality in nasab) an important part of marraige. So the argument of outright Xaram might not be so after all. P.S. You learn nothing about people from reading replies on this thread. Not even Duke.

Nur, don't let my waste of talent worry you too much. Just stop waffling and get into the crux of this argument if you can. Ama naga dhix bax and let Laba-X do it. Xiin and Laba have been circling each other for days now and, whilst Xiin (rightly or wrongly) has been trying to link his 'research' to actual real situations, you and Laba keep waffling and telling us that we need to establish the basics first. We've already done it on the nail thread of yours, we've done it on the spilling blood of Muslims thread that Laba-X started a month ago and now (after three or four similar threads from Xiin) we have this thread. If any talent is being wasted here, it is being done by the whole lot of you. Xiin says he does not approve of Al Shabab because of such and such reasons and he accompanies it with (what he believes to be) proofs. Whilst, on the other hand, you and Laba assume that none of your readers have access to google or any sources of information (or at least that is how it seems) and would rather patronise us with endless waffle. For instance, I think the first post in this thread is informative, educational and all round great. But I fail to see how it applies to the TFG or anyone that is opposed to Al Shabab. Deal with the issues head on ama naga daaya.

Originally posted by Shaakirullaah: quote:For the record, the third Kalif of Muslims (Othman bin Afan) burned Quran, and his intention was different than what brother LX espouses here. This action of 'Uthmaan (radhiAllaahu' anhu) that you've mentioned only relates to the correction of one specific example which was listed and which in fact doesn't even fulfill the set conditions in all cases because burning the Qur'aan is allowed in some instances. So thanks for the correction with regard to this example, but you failed to address the essential core of the matter, namely, the presented principles regarding the conditions and impediments of takfeer. It's all nonsense though. What's the point of starting various threads with different lists if you do not want to stick your neck out and apply these Xukums to what is happening in Somalia? After all, all readers know that THIS is the ultimate aim here and not a casual conversation about the conditions of Takfir.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^I did not expect reer Burco to tell us we could not marry their girls, which we have been doing for a century or so. Of course you have. That is NOT the point, saaxib. Pay attention now.

^^ War bax! Was it not you who started this thread? What did you expect?

Stuff and nonsense.

So how far did we get and where is KK? (She's the one that started all of this).

Originally posted by Blessed.*: Haahaha. Somalis crack me up, walaahi. Berina we will be debating if we are carab or Afrikaan. Nasab my dusty foot! Ng, Which scholars, what's their argument? The big ones. From what I read (purly by chance by the way), the Shaaficis, Hanafis and Hanbalis all consider an equality of nasab a prerequisite for a marriage. Malik disagrees.

^^ Haa but he could have done it in a more civilised way. Originally posted by Mr.Paragon: quote:NGONGE: Juxa, it's not about Burcaawis. It's about people from the NORTH (look at Paragon there). Stop right there. I consider reer Xarardheere as gob as they come. To marry them would be an honour. Originally posted by Juxa: Ngonge, Paragon hails from qabiil wadaado ah, indeed i consider them harmless. Thank you. Sasab bad ku jirta ninyaho! Did you read my other post where I said both north and south have no problem with you?

Faheema just runs.

^^ I didn't get to have it. Got home too late.

^^ Kaa badow buu ahaa.

^^ I am here kulaha. What use is that to me? I want cake, woman, CAKE.

Ibti, there is always a third way. I was hoping to keep (her) for a more important occassion though.

^^ I'm working on it though. KK has almost agreed to give us her daughter (for my beloved lieutenant). Maybe, in time, we will become civilised enough for their grandchildren to marry someone from the south.

^^ That's what you said on the other thread. Anyway, this baking stuff of yours, am I ever going to recieve a delivery one of those days? I mean, I only live round the corner. You can even leave it with the tramp outside the station and I'll pick it up on my way home.