This is the tail end of the Surwaal gaab trend. I expect it to die out within five years and for the short skirt, swooshy hair and pierced bellybuttons to dominate the mainstream for another twenty years before a repackaged Salafi movement returns to wrest the initiative once again. Cyclical stuff, innit!

^^ I am in my prime, dear. You people need to catch up.

Originally posted by N.O.R.F: 65 kg? Thats 10 stones :eek: Waar wax cun! A manly size zero.

^^ Your problem is that you argue even when you know there is no argument to be had, saaxib. This "latter day analyst" horoo kuu sheegay inu hawadaa wax ka fahma. The Somalnimo argument in your part of the world is not new and has not won you anything. If your boys are still fighting it is because they are fighting for their brothers, sisters, land and mothers. It is the big O, saaxib and nothing but the big O. If you can't realise that then you have been away far too long and as any of your comrades would tell you "boogaag ayaa maskaxda kaa wassakhay".

^^ Sane?

^^ Got the bronze in the Barcalona Olympics. What SOLER does he remind you off?

Car kan garta, ya ciyaal.

^^ Not just his region, yours too. The rascal! Having said that, she's very pretty.

Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tusbax: Ngonge, To the issue, What is complicated about rebanding in a better way what the ONLF cadres are telling the foot soldiers. If you don't know, ask. The foot soldiers are told they are fighting for Somalinimo and for muslinimo. But the mention of Og is diluting the effectiveness of the message. So, the clarity you are esposuing will be done but to the opposite. What is also complicated to project Somaligalbeed's predicament as ephemeral as the crisis in Somalia and to give the impression that it will get over once all Somal's support it. Why wouldn't rebranding as victimized Somali's not going to earn the sympathy of other somali's? Qiiro Somalinimo in la abuuro wax ka dhib yar majirto. For it is something every member of a household will feel it. Inter-marriages have made it easier. Markaa sheekada ah qabiil la weyneeyo unbaa lagu dagaal gali karaa comes from your only experience of struggles in somali context, where the Hashimites have succeded in mobilising Tolka through Tolaa'ayey. It is not the only way to do things. I am saying let us try other ways. You have already given us the alibi of ICU. Why not take from them and march on muslinimo iyo Soomalinimo? I gave you the example of the ICU to show you that a well thought out idea can be sold to the masses, saaxib. But, first, they have to be receptive to the idea itself. An Islamic idea cannot be sold to Somalis anymore because the ICU has tarnished it and Al Shabab soiled it. Never again will Somalis fall for any Mullahs with guns. Likewise, Somalnimo (in its current form) is not going to be bought by the masses (ONLF included) because of the many that abused it in the past. If you have a different approach or marketing gimmick I can't really say I saw you share it with us. On the ONLF, I do not believe a word you say. I cannot see these guys giving their lives up for the idea of Somalnimo (as Somalis understand it). What have they got from Somalnimo other than deportations, arrest, treachery and let downs? It always was the O collective that kept their heads up, fought alongside them and suffered the indignities with them. If you say they still believe that is Somalnimo, then it must also mean they think all the others that have let them down are NOT Somali. Wax fahan. The only way your boys can win their fight is if they fight for ONLF and ONLF alone. Forget political correctness and the erroneous received wisdom about people hurrying to the side of Somalnimo as soon as they hear a moving song or rousing speech, these are mere gestures saaxib. When push comes to shove, they will all ask the same question: What is in it for ME? So I tell you again. Clan is everything and particularly in your case, it should, must and has to be everything. Be proud of the O struggle for being an O struggle. Stand on your own feet and sock it to the rest. If you win, the O has won and if you lose, the O has lost. Once that is done, you can have the luxury of toying with the idea of Somalnimo whilst safe in the knowledge that you owe nothing to anyone. This is of course hadaad wax fahmayso and understand that being an O, a Somali or even an Ethiopian is nothing but an idea that receives support according to its strength, benefits and appeal.

Geel jire waligii adhi iyo xooloo ayuu ka fakara. War magaalaan joognay ban ku nedhi. Wax fahan. At any rate, what you're selling there is a dream and not a realistic one at that. I will not go into the intricacies or difficulties of it, for you already know that well enough. However, I will return you to the whole idea of a struggle. Ninyaho malaha Zimbabwe baad ku naaxday and forgot how a struggle is conducted. Ideas are great but in order to be realised they need people to embrace them and fall for them. They need to be marketed and branded in such a way that the average person begins to believe he/she is missing out if they did not join the bandwagon. The ICU in Somalia was an idea that had people from your region and mine hurrying to embrace it and pour money and resources into it. Somaliland is an idea that got millions from that region doing all they can to further it. War even rickety Puntland (despite all the problems it is going through today) is still an idea that appeals to most people of that region. The idea has to be clear, concise and achievable (or at least give the impression of being achievable). Such ideas become even more important when they involve an armed struggle. Clarity is the most important thing. Knowing what you are fighting for, understanding why you are fighting and believing that all the causalities, sacrifices and deaths are a worthy price to pay in order to achieve the idea itself, are also vital. Avoiding anything that will sap the moral of your troops, plant doubts in their minds or make them question the wisdom of the leadership is a given. Marka, to say that the ONLF struggle is not a clan struggle is foolish and disruptive to the cause. It is a clan struggle and it must remain so, if the idea is to be achieved. Your fighters are mostly from one clan. They get injured, they get arrested and they die for the clan (weather they know it or don't). To keep them motivated, to lift their spirits and to convince them of the validity of the cause, you MUST emphasise the clan angle. After all, the other clans are selling out (in the context of the struggle). The other Somalis are deporting your fellow fighters and comrades in the struggle. EVERYONE is letting you down. Your backs are against the wall. Tolaaay, tolaaay, tolaaay. Stop being a wet handkerchief and sing songs of O freedom, saaxib. Yours is a matter of life and death, it is not an intellectual pursuit (and if it is, you need to go back on your understanding of freedom).

A&T, sida Xiin ha igu noqon oo markad jawaab waydid ayaad xaqiraad ii bilaabaysa? Adeer markaad harar caga cadaan ku ordi jirtay anigu magaalaan joogay, ima argtid ano ku leh geel jire af ingreesi bartay baad tahay ama Xiin ano ku leh pirate ayuu waligee aha? Waxan aad sheegayso hadaanaan bariga ogeen, dee maantaan bartay. Ileen nin reer magaal ban ahay oo hawada wax walba ka fahma. bootada marka laga godbo, you brought an argument to the table now be kind enough to defend the position you chose without making excuses about the level of knowledge of your questioner or any other nonsense. You say it is interest that drvies Somalis! Fine, I accept that. But I will return you to my question that you have been avoiding all along, why is it in YOUR interest? What do you get in return? Don't tell me that you don't have an answer to Somalia's problems because I did not ask for one. I only asked you about this noble idea of Somalnimo you are trying to sell here. Wax la kaalay warya.

Like some sort of leader who is standing for parliament and giving rousing speeches, A&T wants to only talk but answer no questions. How disappointing. Iska wado adeer, waxba meeshan kuma haysid.

Silly Mo should have kept that flag hidden. Now he went and lost himself 99% of Somali support.

Originally posted by Peace Action: NG how can you explain the totality of the interview. The man not only said he is alshabaab but has the same ideology as alshabaab. Therefore your opinion makes no sense. The good news is that this particular group of alshaab and their supports in Galgala has been neutralized as a front for alshaab and now are backtacking and distancing themselves from their sponsors. I am not sure what reply to give you if you think my opinion makes no sense, saaxib. Not worth the trouble, it wont make sense to you either.

Ladies, ladies enough already. I think you should send PMs to Sayid and not blacken his good name any further with these baaldi allegations of yours. P.S. Juxa, horta did you notice how Ibti is mvoing it all on Sayid's and your head? It's nothing to do with me ayaay ku tedhi. Wax u sheeg nooh (I always find that 'nooh' word helpful when stirring).

^^ You still didn't answer my question, saaxib. Somalnimo this and Somalnimo that is not really an answer. The French speaking cafars are doing very well without the need for this phantom Somalnimo (nor are they isolated from Somalis). So why are you (someone who is claiming to be oppressed by the Xabashis and who has been fighting to free himself from them for a long time) choosing to go down the Somalnimo root? More questions: What is the big prize? How would you convince your fellow fighters that joining those who sold you out and handed your brothers to the enemy is the right thing to do? Why do you assume that your hard won freedom (when it comes) will be maintained by joining Somalia? Is it worth the effort? WHY? War wax la kaalay dee.

^^ So far so good but I expect some commotion in the coming days. It'll take a while for the minsters to adapt. By the way, seeing the way the photo has changed and the style the meeting was conducted, does that mean the staff in Siilaanyo's residency have not changed? Is it only manual staff or could SL actually have permanent secretaries.

Originally posted by GaroweGal: ********************* You're right. If they sent them to Puntland, Faroole will only send them back to Mogadisho. So the Arabs are right whatever way they do it. [ August 02, 2010, 03:15 PM: Message edited by: Libaax-Sankataabte ]

Same old room but already got his photo on the wall I see!

^^ Go back to the old man with a picture of Sayid and say to him "does he look like someone who gives things back?". He'll understand.

^^ Dee haa! Viva hinaas. The Zack, they do but the net usage there is censored by the local phone companies. Blackberry is not local.

Originally posted by The Zack: WOW! That ain't cool. Banning the ability to send emails on the BB? they might as well ban the entire use of the BB coz emailing is one of the important things one uses a Blackberry for. Saudis are crazy too, who is gonna use some crappy instant messages to cause security issues? By the way, it is true that they both can't monitor that data, this is because RIM's servers are all in Ontario, Canada. Frankly this was discussed in the U.S. when Obama was taking over the office. It happens that Obama is addicted to using Blackberry but he was denied using it for security reasons. They didn't want the president's phone data be saved in a "foreign country". Instead they gave him a locally-made Blackberry-like device. Not that kind of 'security'. I bet you it's all about stopping people from viewing/downloading porn. As for the messaging service, well that's obvious too.

Juxa, can't you replace the baaldiyo yourself? Ma baaldiyo dahab ba? Lets make a collection to save Sayid's good name and buy replacement baaldiyo.

Aaax ya Sayid! Macalinkii dhamma ayaay tuug baaldiyo xadaa ka dhigeen.

^^ The new 25 senior players (eight homegrown) rule is forcing all managers to try out their youngsters. (I didn't see the text yet).